MassiveNights
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Morning flights are leaving Paris which means the French aren't squirrelly about terrorism quite yet.
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Egypt Air flight from Paris disappears from radar
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NYCmetsfan
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That's one of the most worrying things if there is anything that wasn't a mechanical failure
Subpar Scrub
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Overseas on holiday right now, not scared but damn... Makes you slightly nervous 
Hope there's a positive conclusion to this, but the information provided so far does little to boost spirits.
Hope there's a positive conclusion to this, but the information provided so far does little to boost spirits.
rykomatsu
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Modern airplane engines are amazingly well built. They go through blade-off testing where an engine turbine blade is released at maximum power using an explosive charge. If the engine housing does not contain all shrapnel, it does not pass certification.
Realistically, the chances of shrapnel from the engine is pretty damn low I would think. Here's an interesting video from an A380 engine that demonstrates how really overbuilt engines are to prevent something like what you're suggesting...
https://youtu.be/j973645y5AA
If it was a bomb, then it's not an Egypt issue. It would be a France issue.
Can't teleport bombs onto planes.
DrForester
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I think it was the United DC10 incident which led to those changes in engines, as well as changes to hydraulic system to have better fail safes. Like I said, I can't think of another turbine incident since that flight.
GHG
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The plane took off from France.
The QF A380 out of Singapore suffered a turbine disc failure and there is nothing that will contain that that would allow the plane to fly.
fan blades are small and light. turbine discs are not and if they let go pray it doesnt do too much damage. still unlikely it would be enough to bring down a plane
however this was the damage to an A380 form a turbine disc failure
1 Massive fuel leak in the left mid fuel tank (there are 11 tanks, including in the horizontal stabiliser on the tail)
2 Massive fuel leak in the left inner fuel tank
3 A hole on the flap fairing big enough to climb through
4 The aft gallery in the fuel system failed, preventing many fuel transfer functions
5 Problem jettisoning fuel
6 Massive hole in the upper wing surface
7 Partial failure of leading edge slats
8 Partial failure of speed brakes/ground spoilers
9 Shrapnel damage to the flaps
10 Total loss of all hydraulic fluid in one of the jet's two systems
11 Manual extension of landing gear
12 Loss of one generator and associated systems
13 Loss of brake anti-skid system
14 No.1 engine could not be shut down in the usual way after landing because of major damage to systems
15 No.1 engine could not be shut down using the fire switch, which meant fire extinguishers would not work on that engine
16 ECAM (electronic centralised aircraft monitor) warnings about the major fuel imbalance (because of fuel leaks on left side) could not be fixed with cross-feeding
17 Fuel was trapped in the trim tank (in the tail)creating a balance problem for landing
18 Left wing forward spar penetrated by debris
GhostWriter24
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The more time that passes, the more grim the outlook. Hoping for the best.
Yes, but if you look at the map it's no where near approach. And OP's data shows it's still 36,000 ft in the air thereby no on the descending approach. If it was closer to Cairo, I'd think a descending accident as possible. But that's not the case here.
BladeoftheImmortal
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It could be, but it's rather premature. Terrorism is one of the lesser causes for flight accidents.
Macho Madness
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Welp
pizzapizza64
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What does that news mean?
Macho Madness
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Writing is on the wall with that. At this point in time the hope is just that you can find the wreckage and bring closure to the people who have lost loved ones. Nothing is worse than the Malaysia airlines shit, even if you know the end result.
Only 21% of accidents happen during cruise/descent, and that isn't controlling for hostile acts. Over the last few years Germanwings, Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 and Metrojet have all crashed as the result of hostile acts. It's not unreasonable to speculate that this is likely to be the case here, although obviously we need more information.
littleworm
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That doesn't seem to make sense, that would of come over an hour after the plane was supposed to of landed.
Kind of weird though as that's two hours after contact was lost.
Shit went wrong well before the last contact. I'm starting to think terrorism/hijack...
Macho Madness
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These beacons can sometimes activate only after a crash.
littleworm
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Ah, I see, for some reason in my mind, I read it as if the pilot had sent out the mayday.
Chittagong
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Assuming the beacon signal wasn't coming from the last known location, this is possibly even worse news than straight out crashing / explosion.
What this would mean is that someone in the plane shut of the transponders the minute they crossed over to Egypt, probably trusting that Egyptian military is in a state of chaos and won't be able to figure out what's going on and intercept.
Then the plane would be diverted to a terrorist held area, with the passengers paraded in front of cameras, or worse.
Might be going a bit far here.
GlamFM
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What?
Bam Bam Baklava
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What?
I mean, I won't rule out terrorist activity either, but this is a little too much of a stretch
Chittagong
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We have seen one case of what appears to be a shut transponder, MH370. Malaysian military which, one would assume, is pretty decent, didn't have time to figure out what happened or intercept. It would be not a stretch to assume that Egyptian military would do any better, in a chaotic situation of a plane disappearing from radar. There will be chaos with people trying to figure out lines of command, correct responses and other procedures.
I'll leave it at that as it seems that speculation about terrorism is frowned upon here for some reason.
Didn't they claim responsibility for the last crash within hours? Seems like we're overdue for that.
Bam Bam Baklava
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We're a couple hours into something and you're claiming something is as clear as day? You don't see any fault in that strategy?
Chittagong
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Won't speculate, but I will point out the rate of descent in this graph.
Macho Madness
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That's not even the same flight in the screenshot you posted. The times are wrong and the data just flat stops at 08:29:21 PM local time.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR804/history/20160518/2045Z/LFPG/HECA/tracklog
We have no data about how the flight descended at this point.
eddievanclaylen
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CNN saying catastrophic explosion
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Macho Madness
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Unless I'm watching something else, they're just talking to experts about possibilities.
My apologies, I deleted it. (Though it didn't say 5:21 PM)
Bam Bam Baklava
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Man, clear as day my ass.
Creative Writing thread is that way, pal.
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GlamFM
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Clear. As. Day.
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