Egypt Air flight from Paris disappears from radar
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Kinda morbid that I'm getting Flight advertisements to Greece in this thread.
MikeHattsu
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Yeah, so they most likely didn't circle back or anything like that.
From Jean-Paul Troadec, former president of the French air accident investigation bureau (BEA)
“We have to remain very careful after the disappearance from the radars of the EgyptAir aircraft. The priority is to begin the investigation and to find, if possible, debris from the aircraft and eventually, the site of the wreckage. We can make certain hypotheses...there’s a strong possibility of an explosion on board from a bomb or a suicide bomber. The idea of a technical accident when weather conditions were good, seems also possible but not that likely. We could also consider a missile, which is what happened to the Malaysia Airlines aircraft in July 2014.
“If the crew didn’t send an alert signal, it’s because what happened was very sudden. A problem with an engine or a technical fault, would not produce an immediate accident. In this case, the crew did not react, which makes us think of a bomb.”
Meanwhile, a Greek defence ministry source said authorities were also investigating an account from the captain of a merchant ship who reported a ‘flame in the sky’ about 130 nautical miles south of the island of Karpathos.
“We have to remain very careful after the disappearance from the radars of the EgyptAir aircraft. The priority is to begin the investigation and to find, if possible, debris from the aircraft and eventually, the site of the wreckage. We can make certain hypotheses...there’s a strong possibility of an explosion on board from a bomb or a suicide bomber. The idea of a technical accident when weather conditions were good, seems also possible but not that likely. We could also consider a missile, which is what happened to the Malaysia Airlines aircraft in July 2014.
“If the crew didn’t send an alert signal, it’s because what happened was very sudden. A problem with an engine or a technical fault, would not produce an immediate accident. In this case, the crew did not react, which makes us think of a bomb.”
Meanwhile, a Greek defence ministry source said authorities were also investigating an account from the captain of a merchant ship who reported a ‘flame in the sky’ about 130 nautical miles south of the island of Karpathos.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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airlines are required to uphold certain routes even if they aren't particularly profitable. I've been on many basically empty flights before.
Yup, I flew from Heathrow to Hong Kong once with a handful of people on it.
BLOODY HELL NOT AGAIN.
I feel shook to be fair. Sad for whoever involved.
What are the chances it crashed ''safely'' ?(I know that sounds daft but humour me)
Disgusting.
You almost sound like you want it to be an ISIS related. People, mayhaps, lost their life and you want to come with comments such as this
''Clear as a day''
Piss off.
I feel shook to be fair. Sad for whoever involved.
What are the chances it crashed ''safely'' ?(I know that sounds daft but humour me)
Disgusting.
You almost sound like you want it to be an ISIS related. People, mayhaps, lost their life and you want to come with comments such as this
''Clear as a day''
Piss off.
jufonuk
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I'm getting an advert for Pratt and Whitney engines
Chittagong
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I don't see anything in his post that could be interpreted as 'almost wanting it to be ISIS related'.
If it's terrorism, at the moment ISIS is a pretty level headed bet. Much less likely it to be Boko Haram or al-Qaeda, for example, as they haven't been active in Europe recently. You do remember that ISIS recently did some activity in Paris, of all places, right?
Also, suggesting it was a terror attack is hardly controversial. I mean, take it from the former head of French air accident investigation:
sems4arsenal
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Why wasn't there a radio transmission from the pilots saying they're going down?
Nathan_Drake
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As the retired official was quoted above: usually something sudden and not mechanical occurs that does not allow for communication. Some type of catastrophic event.
kinda hard to make a call when the plane is blown out of the sky.
sems4arsenal
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Wait so it is confirmed that it got blown up?
ClosingADoor
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No. Nothing is confirmed aside from the plane being gone.
BlazingDarkness
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Hollande has just confirmed the plane has crashed.
I mean that seems highly likely at this point.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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that's a given at this time.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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EDIT: Let's stick to the topic and that is an Airbus has crashed and it looks to be a fatal crash.
battousai11
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There could still be survivors, though, right?
Hoping for this.
Hoping for this.
As far as I know it disappeared off the radar with no sign of trouble before that. That's usually a sign of a catastrophical failure. In most crashes the plane will report its descent and the crew will alert flight controllers.
It's unfortunately very unlikely anyone survived. It's already hard to survive a controlled emergency landing in the middle of an ocean (the Hudson River landing was an exception and very close to land) and if that were the case they would most likely have reported the emergency.
maabus1999
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Not from 37000 feet
Bigboss242
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Well... rip to all those on board.
battousai11
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That's disheartening. RIP to the passengers. I don't know why, but this is bumming me out hard even though I just found out about it 30 min ago.
IAmAnAgnostic
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Its a terrible way to die. One of my greatest fears.
sems4arsenal
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Yeah it sounds awful. Rip to everyone involved.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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This tragedy is no doubt very sad, but you and I have very different ideas of "a terrible way to die". The crew didn't even get to shout out a Mayday call, which suggests that this was a catastrophic event, likely an explosion, and it's highly probable no one on that plane knew what hit them.
Weep for the survivors, for they have lost. The dead regret nothing.
DrForester
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So if is terrorism then they almost certainty got a bomb on board somehow, right?
It's unlikely the plane could be shot down over land, but is there any chance it could be shot down over the water?
It's unlikely the plane could be shot down over land, but is there any chance it could be shot down over the water?
The Air Asia flight also didn't give a mayday when it crashed into the ocean after a stall. The swerving could be indicative of an assymetric stall, though the pilots seem too experienced to not give out a distress signal, and this would also be assuming the flame in the sky is a lie or something unexplained.
A bomb still seems most likely.
A bomb still seems most likely.
Not at 37,000 feet unless it was an air-to-air intercept by a fighter.
You're looking at either an explosive or some kind of stall that caused the plane to go into a flat spin.
There seems to be a narrative (note the usage of the word seems to be, just as seems to be ISIS) that I'm hungering for terrorism or engaging in terrorism myself. It is no such thing. I'm just looking at the apparent facts and what the logical conclusion would be. The logical conclusion is a terrorist attack, similar to a certain other plane from Egypt, and there is currently one terrorist group we know of that is interested and capable of doing this.
DrROBschiz
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Mechanical failures can cause an inflight breakup
But yeah... explosion is on the list
There are dozens of terrorist groups that are interested in and capable of doing this. What is notable is that there has been no claim of responsibility as of yet and the Islamic State has been pretty quick to trumpet its "victories" in the past.
s_mirage
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Or catastrophic mechanical failure, such as the tail breaking off a la China Airlines Flight 611.
DrROBschiz
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Yup
Anything that would cause a sudden high G force dive could cause a very fast breakup without a distress call
The layout of the wreckage on the seafloor will be a major clue as to how the plane crashed
MassiveNights
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Egypt's aviation minister has said terrorism is more likely than a technical issue but they aren't ruling anything out.
Terrible story, especially if it turns out to be terrorist related. Especially worrying as the flight was leaving from Paris. Hope more details are able to learned in order to give the families closure. I can't imagine what it would feel like to have a loved one on that flight...
If so, then that means that an active cell is operating at the airport in Paris which means that every member of the ground crew that serviced the plane would need to be subject to examination.
MassiveNights
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The plane also stopped in Tunisia on the way to Paris.
Don't worry about it man nothing you are saying is unreasonable. Don't know what that other dude was on about. Weird as fuck
Ahhhh - that would definitely increase the probability of an explosive device being snuck on to the aircraft.
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