The actual flight data Macho Madness posted is worse though.
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Egypt Air flight from Paris disappears from radar
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Chittagong
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Man, people really seem upset about that post. It's not like I posted a scenario with no precedent (MH370), or something that experts wouldn't be considering. Here's what CNN says:
CNN said:
Macho Madness
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The Egyptian military days it's not received a distress signal, contradicting what EgyptAir claimed.
Apparently the flight had no less than three sky marshals on board, so hijacking also doesn't seem likely.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=1
(Unless the marshals were crooked of course, but in any case hijacking without time to give a distress call is pretty unlikely.)
http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=1
(Unless the marshals were crooked of course, but in any case hijacking without time to give a distress call is pretty unlikely.)
My thoughts are with the poor families and friends of the passengers who must be agonizing by now.
jufonuk
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Were they caused by pilot error or mechanical faults ?
You don't lose tracking signal in case of a stall.
Jezbollah
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Care to list some examples?
I'll see if I can find the reports, but I believe it's a little of both.
No, but once you hit the water at high impact you would, it's very early days.
AF447
AirAsia 8501
Ugh.
I want it to be a mechanical failure rather than a terrorist attack, even with the outcome being the same.
I mean, we have had planes autonomously fly to their destination (and enter a holding pattern) in the past, with everyone on board including the pilots being unconscious. Of course they can't land without pilot input yet, so that particular flight was lost, but it does show the high degree of independence of modern autopilots. We also know that those same autopilots do not react all that intelligently if even one single sensor reports faulty data. And a stalled plane can drop out of the sky like a stone.
But that would probably require two independent faults, one to knock out everyone on board and one to fuck with the autopilot. Which is highly unlikely, admittedly.
My condolences to those affected.
I want it to be a mechanical failure rather than a terrorist attack, even with the outcome being the same.
I mean, we have had planes autonomously fly to their destination (and enter a holding pattern) in the past, with everyone on board including the pilots being unconscious. Of course they can't land without pilot input yet, so that particular flight was lost, but it does show the high degree of independence of modern autopilots. We also know that those same autopilots do not react all that intelligently if even one single sensor reports faulty data. And a stalled plane can drop out of the sky like a stone.
But that would probably require two independent faults, one to knock out everyone on board and one to fuck with the autopilot. Which is highly unlikely, admittedly.
My condolences to those affected.
This plane lost tracking signal at 37000 feet, not at groind impact.
What people don't like is crazy baseless theories of disgusting acts of terrorism and spreading unnecessary worry. Leave the spreading of terror to the terrorists.
Like I said, it's very early days, and there will be a lot of noise in the reports, I see that the Egyptian military have withdrawn their ELT reports.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
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I don't trust the reporting from the Egiptian authorities, but the flight tracking sites like flightradar have been pretty on spot with all the accidents data up until now.
Jezbollah
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Cheers. Given how often the A320 series flies, I am surprised that Airbus might not have given out an advisory to avoid these issues if they cannot absolutely fix them.
If this is the case, and the crew failed to follow guidance to avoid scenarios such as this, does this classify the accident as "human error"?
Airbus also refuse to take the super puma out of service after having two identical crashes causing around 30 or so deaths since 2009
Both cases are mechanical fault followed by a certain amount of pilot error.
That said, occums razor would state that this unfortunate crash from the Egpytair plane points to an external force or action by a third party.
ValkyrUser
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IISANDERII
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It is shitty, considering the very same plane has been to Tunis and Eritrea, as well as Cairo, could a device have been placed aboard in another airport?, would the security at CDG sweep a plane when it lands?
This is also what I was thinking. The plane has been all day in places not known fto have very tight security procedures, so linking this to the immigrants working at CDG it's quite a stretch. Takes a special kind of person to jump so much to this conclusion without any data yet.
MisterFalcon
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It's way more far fetched to think someone in Eritrea would know exactly when this plane would be in the air several flights on.
Why would they even want to know where it would be?, if it was indeed terrorism it really doesn't matter where it happens.
jufonuk
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What if they didn't know and the simple fact was just to make it crash, cause chaos and fear ?
That's assuming if was brought down that way.
If it was another way. How can we stop it and learn from it. I know flying is the safest form of travel, when things like this happen we report on it and try to figure out what went wrong. as it is so unusual and tragic.
But damn it does make me fear flying at times.
Did I say that it was planned to explode at this exact hour or at that exact place?
We don't even know if there was a bomb or something else yet.
MisterFalcon
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Then why have it not explode during the flight it's taking immediately for which you know when it will depart ? Having it explode on a later flight adds the risk of it being discovered, the plane being on the ground for maintenance or any other complication.
GHG
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https://mobile.twitter.com/airlivenet
BREAKING EgyptAir #MS804 crashed off Greek island of Karpathos in Egyptian airspace http://ift.tt/251rANM
Makes no sense. The flight radar data shows the plane was well past that point. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766
BREAKING EgyptAir #MS804 crashed off Greek island of Karpathos in Egyptian airspace http://ift.tt/251rANM
Makes no sense. The flight radar data shows the plane was well past that point. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766
jufonuk
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I'm simply speculating.
More than likely it was maintenance/aircraft issues or pilot error.
No confirmation yet, just that Egyptair have stated comms and radar were lost over the Mediterranean.
https://mobile.twitter.com/airlivenet
BREAKING EgyptAir #MS804 crashed off Greek island of Karpathos in Egyptian airspace http://ift.tt/251rANM
Makes no sense. The flight radar data shows the plane was well past that point. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ms804/#9c0b766
Could they have tried to circle back and land on the island? Though you would think the flight tracking would show that
First off, it's just a speculation. Secondly, it could have been meant to explode in Paris or on the way to Paris and they just fucked up the timer. It's not like it didn't happen before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Narita_International_Airport_bombing
What?, circle back? land on an island? do they have a runway suitable for an A320?, you're also assuming the plane was in a controllable state.
Yes, Karpathos has an international airport.
MikeHattsu
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The last known position kind of fits into this.
Gemüsepizza
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It's insane that even in 2016 there is no live feed (cockpit audio and telemetry) from the plane to ground stations (via satellites). How hard could this be?
Gemüsepizza
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Really? But shouldn't they then have a much clearer picture of what happened?
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