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[Winterblink]

FireyToad just went to a system with a neutron and white dwarf next to each other. Not sure about the visual effect. Hopefully it's a bug.

From the patch notes:

- Jet effects added to neutron and white dwarf stars

Looks like it's the new effect.

 

[DrBo42]

From the patch notes:

- Jet effects added to neutron and white dwarf stars

Looks like it's the new effect.

Yeah just looks bad when they're next to each other.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

From the patch notes:

- Jet effects added to neutron and white dwarf stars

Looks like it's the new effect.

Elite's twitter just retweeted it too.


Lmao at the transfer costs, hopefully it's just a multiplier for leaving the bubble.

 

[Winterblink]

Yeah just looks bad when they're next to each other.

Looks neat to me, but I guess I'd need to see them in motion. Do they spin with the star? Because it'd be interesting if a whirling jet provided a danger to navigation.

 

[DrBo42]

Looks neat to me, but I guess I'd need to see them in motion. Do they spin with the star? Because it'd be interesting if a whirling jet provided a danger to navigation.

No. They're pretty much static to the sides other than the animation of it within the jet.

 

[Winterblink]

No. They're pretty much static to the sides other than the animation of it within the jet.

That's a bummer. I always wished stuff like pulsars were around to provide whirling balls of death that you'd have to get the fuck away from fast.

 

[Mengy]

So all those concerned that it would be too easy to ship transfer to Jaques Station, no worries it costs almost 8 billion and it will take a month. I guess based on that, transfer times are much longer than a player making the trip themselves.

Sigh, so yeah if it’s that much for an Eagle, imagine what something like a Courier or Python will cost. Welp, unless they lower that the mechanic has become completely worthless to me.

And now with NS/WD boosts being relegated to a pointless risky timewaster, suddenly I don’t think there is anything in 2.2 that I’m looking forward to anymore. Holy shit, talk about disappointed.

Hopefully since it’s still beta they change some of this, but I ain’t hopeful. Sometimes, the design choices of FDev truly mystify me, it’s like they hate making good game design choices and absolutely love to implement meaningless features…

 

[Grief.exe]

So all those concerned that it would be too easy to ship transfer to Jaques Station, no worries it costs almost 8 billion and it will take a month. I guess based on that, transfer times are much longer than a player making the trip themselves.

From here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/53my06/ship_transfer_to_jaques_think_again/

It's likely balanced for the bubble, and when you take it to the farthest distance possible it breaks that balance.

 

[SmartBase]

They are afraid adding that would have potential exploitable issues with the commodity market, but what they should do, which would be non-exploitable is allow banking commodities with engineers with no ability to withdraw. Problem solved.

I'd gladly offer my services as an economist to Frontier but it's obvious they need proper game designers first, sheesh.

 

[DrBo42]

Sigh, so yeah if it’s that much for an Eagle, imagine what something like a Courier or Python will cost. Welp, unless they lower that the mechanic has become completely worthless to me.

And now with NS/WD boosts being relegated to a pointless risky timewaster, suddenly I don’t think there is anything in 2.2 that I’m looking forward to anymore. Holy shit, talk about disappointed.

Hopefully since it’s still beta they change some of this, but I ain’t hopeful. Sometimes, the design choices of FDev truly mystify me, it’s like they hate making good game design choices and absolutely love to implement meaningless features…

That's to transfer the Cutter. Still shit though. The WD/NS boost is nearly pointless.

 

[Forerunner]

So all those concerned that it would be too easy to ship transfer to Jaques Station, no worries it costs almost 8 billion and it will take a month. I guess based on that, transfer times are much longer than a player making the trip themselves.

From here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/53my06/ship_transfer_to_jaques_think_again/

What a steal!

 

[The Cowboy]

Really hoping that module storage comes ASAP, these data mission runs would be so much better if I could store my modded items so I can buy/fit trading related modules.

 

[HelloMeow]

The fighters have terrible horizontal and vertical thrusters... They might as well not have them.

 

[Volimar]

The fighters have terrible horizontal and vertical thrusters... They might as well not have them.

Haven't you played any Arena? They're kind of fun really, but I don't expect them to last very long in a real fight like a conflict zone.

 

[HelloMeow]

Haven't you played any Arena? They're kind of fun really, but I don't expect them to last very long in a real fight like a conflict zone.

They have decent thrusters in CQC. In the beta they're pretty much non existent.

 

[Anton Sugar]

So all those concerned that it would be too easy to ship transfer to Jaques Station, no worries it costs almost 8 billion and it will take a month. I guess based on that, transfer times are much longer than a player making the trip themselves.

From here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/53my06/ship_transfer_to_jaques_think_again/

61 hours =/= a month, but pretty obvious it's bugged. 61 hours and over 4000 minutes? Yeah, that's a bug. Why would the 4000 minutes not contribute to the total hour count?

 

[Felix Lighter]

Again, fighters are conceptually super cool but I cannot imagine using them outside of the novelty given the time it takes to deploy and recall them and their limited effectiveness. I'd rather use them as an alternative to the SRV for planetary exploration but unless you can send your ship into orbit while in the fighter that's not necessarily practical.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Again, fighters are conceptually super cool but I cannot imagine using them outside of the novelty given the time it takes to deploy and recall them and their limited effectiveness. I'd rather use them as an alternative to the SRV for planetary exploration but unless you can send your ship into orbit while in the fighter that's not necessarily practical.

Fighters should definitely be able to be deployed like this but unfortunately Frontier nixed that when asked about it. Some bullshit "lore" excuse about how the fighters are tethered to the ship so they can't travel farther than X distance away.

 

[HelloMeow]

After looking more into it, it seems like its just the Condor that has broken thrusters. They barely do anything...

 

[Mengy]

So yeah, I'm so upset by this NS / WD boost thing that I made a poll on the official forums about it:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...utron-White-Dwarf-boost-range-bonus-25-or-300

Please go and read my reasons for a larger boost value, and vote! Maybe if FDev will listen we can get them to change their minds.

 

[Grief.exe]

After 27 jumps in my asp explorer im finally at ceos. Holy crap people arent kidding about how many data missions there are especially if logging in and out. After 1 run back and forth i already got offered a 3.5 million credit missions to "snake" some illegal goods between sothis and ceos. Luckily i didnt get scanned. Quickest 3m i have ever made!

That's a lot of jumps for an Asp Explorer to get to Ceos. What build are you using?

It's possible you are just jumping from a further region of the bubble, but just want to double check.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Fighters should definitely be able to be deployed like this but unfortunately Frontier nixed that when asked about it. Some bullshit "lore" excuse about how the fighters are tethered to the ship so they can't travel farther than X distance away.

That is bullshit. I know "lore"-wise the ships are flown remotely but there is no reason the pilot couldn't be physically transferred when flying the fighter for planetary exploration exactly like the SRV. As is, I just can't see the fighters as more than a novelty in the long run.

I hate that I've become so negative with the game lately but between "immersion" and "lore" excuses for limiting gameplay features and decisions like the initial engineers insane grind, where I was once optimistic, I'm now discouraged.

 

[Grief.exe]

That is bullshit. I know "lore"-wise the ships are flown remotely but there is no reason the pilot couldn't be physically transferred flying the fighter for planetary exploration exactly like the SRV. As is, I just can't see the fighters as more than a novelty in the long run.

I hate that I've become so negative with the game lately but between "immersion" and "lore" excuses for limiting gameplay features and decisions like the initial engineers insane grind, where I was once optimistic, I'm now discouraged.

It's likely some arbitrary reason they chose to cover up a technical shortfall.

 

[Veritigo_X]

It's likely some arbitrary reason they chose to cover up a technical shortfall.

More than likely, yeah. It's just funny how they act like they intentionally designed the system to be this way. The guy kinda looked like he was caught off guard when asked the question and abruptly ended the question with "long story short, there's a tether so you can't."

 

[Anton Sugar]

Reddit dump o 2.2 stuff:

White dwarf star

Video here.

Passenger missions. This one, in particular, is to Sag A(!!!). But reading the comments, they note you can likely stack missions, so if you got a bunch of people who want to go to Sag A, it could be lucrative (plus exploration data).

New hyperspace animation (they note that the color shift is likely a bug?)

Weapon color livery option spotted

I don't know, I think the neutron star animation looks pretty fantastic.

New planetary textures.

Sounds of the new Taipei fighter. Love it.

 

[Bubba77]

That's a lot of jumps for an Asp Explorer to get to Ceos. What build are you using?

It's possible you are just jumping from a further region of the bubble, but just want to double check.

22ly is my limit. I forget where i was coming from!

 

[Felix Lighter]

61 hours =/= a month, but pretty obvious it's bugged. 61 hours and over 4000 minutes? Yeah, that's a bug. Why would the 4000 minutes not contribute to the total hour count?

There is a bug at least in the way time is displayed, converting the hours and minutes to hours would be 770 hours or 32 days. Now the bug could be more than just the time display and could involve the calculations, possibly a weird rounding error or a max time limiter that is broken and causing the cost and time to go haywire.

 

[vector824]

Oh man oh man oh man. I am excited for this update.

No one has mentioned that you can sell ships remotely! I have like 3 sideys I need to get rid of but don't want to fly to the stations I left them at...

 

[Felix Lighter]

Reddit dump o 2.2 stuff:

White dwarf star

Video here.

Passenger missions. This one, in particular, is to Sag A(!!!). But reading the comments, they note you can likely stack missions, so if you got a bunch of people who want to go to Sag A, it could be lucrative (plus exploration data).


New hyperspace animation (they note that the color shift is likely a bug?)

Weapon color livery option spotted

I don't know, I think the neutron star animation looks pretty fantastic.

New planetary textures.


Sounds of the new Taipei fighter. Love it.

That's some good stuff.

Something I haven't seen mentioned is faster loading menu's with portraits. The photos load asynchronously so the menu loads much faster and the portrait load after.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Kinda disappointed the Gunship gets fighters but not the dropship.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

The biggest problem with fighters is that I can't think of a reason to use them over a shield cell bank.

 

[Felix Lighter]

The biggest problem with fighters is that I can't think of a reason to use them over a shield cell bank.

Yes, I agree and that's why I would love to see non-combat reasons to have them. Currently they are made of paper and only add a bit of firepower, which makes sense. However, for serious engagements, they don't seem super useful. That being said they are super fun to fly, so I want a reason to fly them, especially near planet surfaces.

 

[Grief.exe]

22ly is my limit. I forget where i was coming from!

Fully laden or empty?

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Yes, I agree and that's why I would love to see non-combat reasons to have them. Currently they are made of paper and only add a bit of firepower, which makes sense. However, for serious engagements, they don't seem super useful. That being said they are super fun to fly, so I want a reason to fly them, especially near planet surfaces.

Yep, the only way they can make sense for serious combat encounters is if you could launch up to 4 fighters at a time. Having a fighter swarm would be enough fire power / a distraction for enemies attacking you that it would actually start to maybe become beneficial.

As is, if you are flying a big anaconda that's fit for combat a shield cell bank adds more net defensive value and by that virtue keeps you in an engagement long enough to make use of your offensive power better. If you're flying a hauler, then you're honestly better off just using mines lmao.

 

[StonedRider]

They are afraid adding that would have potential exploitable issues with the commodity market, but what they should do, which would be non-exploitable is allow banking commodities with engineers with no ability to withdraw. Problem solved.

Wait, but Frontier promised to implement crafting commodities storage in engineers bases in 2.2 update, didn't they?

So yeah, I'm so upset by this NS / WD boost thing that I made a poll on the official forums about it:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...utron-White-Dwarf-boost-range-bonus-25-or-300

Please go and read my reasons for a larger boost value, and vote! Maybe if FDev will listen we can get them to change their minds.

Good point, absolutely agree! Voted for 300%.

 

[HelloMeow]

I made a short video of the thruster issue. This doesn't seem normal, does it? I tried getting into CQC to compare, but no one's playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4OtT6CMyY4

 

[Not Spaceghost]

I made a short video of the thruster issue. This doesn't seem normal, does it? I tried getting into CQC to compare, but no one's playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4OtT6CMyY4

Yeah that doesn't seem right, those look about as effective as D rated thrusters on an Asp X.

In CQC the condor is super zippy.

 

[DrBo42]

Part of me is thoroughly enjoying all the delay transfer voters complaining the wait times are too long but ultimately we all have to deal with the fallout of their shitty vote. Mike Evans made a comment about how it's actually way more time efficient to move your fleet with it which is true but ultimately too specific to use as a metric to balance. Whole thing is a mess.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Another neutron/pulsar, this one less pronounced. Looks like there can be variation.

 

[Reckheim]

Your route is saved after exiting now, that's a great new 'feature' in my opinion.

 

[SmartBase]

So um, why don't pinned blueprints stay pinned? I had a few multicannons engineered with a different blueprint and now the pinned one is nowhere to be seen. Ridiculous.

Now that I think about it, why can't I just see ALL of the engineer blueprints available to me? Checking materials and data is such a damn chore.

 

[DrBo42]

Another neutron/pulsar, this one less pronounced. Looks like there can be variation.

They must have pushed some server side update because the ones I visited never animated like that.

Your route is saved after exiting now, that's a great new 'feature' in my opinion.

Quality of life changes are the best part about Elite updates. The headline features always tend to be half baked but the little tweaks and additions really sing. It's a fucked up reality.

 

[Reckheim]

Another neutron/pulsar, this one less pronounced. Looks like there can be variation.

Honestly, I think that looks fantastic!

 

[Anton Sugar]

They must have pushed some server side update because the ones I visited never animated like that.

Honestly, I think that looks fantastic!

Yeah, I figured something must be up when Bo mentioned they aren't animated. Must have been a bug with the one he saw. They look great!

New Engineers. Limpets, defenses, cannons, utilities, scanners, and plasma accelerators.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

Man editing HUD colors is tricky, this is my latest creation I'll have to test it out later but honestly getting anything that's more than 2 toned is hard as hell.

http://arkku.com/elite/hud_editor/#theme_0.45_1.05_1.05_2_-2_-2_-1.5_2_0.55

 

[Reckheim]

Military installation, source is reddit.

 

[Grief.exe]

Military installation, source is reddit.

That looks like the Capital ship docking yard that I posted the other day.

Capital Ship docking is coming in the next update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHKDgIOsRV4

 

[Felix Lighter]

I left my feedback on the forum on the transit times. As a filthy casual, I can see that my feedback is being appropriately disregarded. The vote result is impenetrable. My only feedback can be to lower the transfer time to as close to zero as the community will allow. For such a hardcore group, it's interesting that the community consensus was to reduce AI difficulty after the last patch but when it comes to sinking time into doing nothing. the sky's the limit.

 

[JambiBum]

I absolutely love the fact that delay voters are complaining now. It's fucking perfect.

I think that they started with only being able to deploy one fighter as a balancing thing to see how things would go. I'm hoping that they see that one fighter doesn't make that big of a difference and thus allow the ships that can hold two bays deploy two fighters. I don't think you need 4 fighters to make a difference, but having 2 + your ship would probably be good enough. I know that bays can carry more than 1 fighter at a time, but if you just go with number of bays = number of fighters that are launchable I think it'd work out fine.

 

[DrBo42]

I absolutely love the fact that delay voters are complaining now. It's fucking perfect.

I think that they started with only being able to deploy one fighter as a balancing thing to see how things would go. I'm hoping that they see that one fighter doesn't make that big of a difference and thus allow the ships that can hold two bays deploy two fighters. I don't think you need 4 fighters to make a difference, but having 2 + your ship would probably be good enough.

I'm positive it's more of a performance or technical problem. Having even 4 people in the same instance all deploying 2 fighters each along with your standard AI has to be taxing. Especially if it's something like a conflict zone.