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Elite Dangerous: Horizons |OT| Just scratching the surface
- Thread starter Anton Sugar
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Welcome.
Joseph Merrick
Member
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Would gladly welcome a more usability upgrade for PAs.
JackAubrey
Member
Me too. Like many with busy family lives a lot of the game isn't attainable for me. Did manage to get from AspX to Python before passenger missions were nerfed.
I tend to treat Elite as something I dip in and out of. So once there are some more updates I'll probably be back.
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Backed on Kickstarter, never got given a code, contacted them on forums/Kickstarter never got a response. Shame as I would have liked to at least try it.
Whitebison
Member
Contact Frontier support, they're very good and usually respond between 2 or 3 days.
Go to the official forums, complain about the reasons.
Wait for apologists to come in...
- Gid gud!
- But mah immersion!
- But simulation!
- This game is not for you, CoD instant gratification kiddy! This requires time, planning, ... (aka: braindead grind and lots of Netflix in normal people's terms)
- But griefers!
Did I forget something?
Wow, LTTP much!
As was said above, contact their support, enjoy, burn out, wait for updates, enjoy again, repeat. Feel free to complain away or rave about it in here. Mandatory advise for you if you ever get into exploring: whatever nice looking thing you want to screenshot, always make sure your own ship covers most of it! ;-)Yep. I did not even check out the new update
There is just nothing there if you are not big on earning new ships and scanning things.Go to the official forums, complain about the reasons.
Wait for apologists to come in...
- Gid gud!
- But mah immersion!
- But simulation!
- This game is not for you, CoD instant gratification kiddy! This requires time, planning, ... (aka: braindead grind and lots of Netflix in normal people's terms)
- But griefers!
Did I forget something?
Wow, LTTP much!
One of my favorite moments in Elite discussion was during a FD official community stream where Edward Lewis (Community Manager) was talking about his Distant Worlds journey.
Specifically when he said just how much Netflix or podcasts he needed to get through it. When your community mouthpiece is talking about needing podcasts and media to get through playing an aspect of the game he's paid to promote...you've got some issues.
Sadly I don't see even a hint of that changing. Not sure how there isn't a thread on just how boring and shallow exploration is every day until they address it. There's so much out there and it's so very bland. Fuckin' powerplay is getting updates before exploration. It's insane.
As for taking screenshots as an explorer (your primary role) see this subreddit for composition tips https://www.reddit.com/r/aspsinfrontofthings/
Should ask Mengy to publish a regular Elite exploration blog, every time they play the game, focusing on the underlying mechanics and game design.
Day 1:
Hit "J" 2015 times. Pointed the ship at 65 different stellar bodies. Waited about a cumulated 90 minutes for scans to complete. Spend another 60 driving around suns to refuel. Landed twice and drove the SRV in circles.
Rewatched the first three episodes of "Breaking Bad", Season 1.
Day 2:
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Winterblink
Member
I know, I know.. "another neutron star pic?", but been steadily making my way towards the center of the galaxy at my casual / agonizing pace. I'm into areas where the star density has increased vastly, so I'm encountering these more and more.
It's just beautiful seeing these, and kinda neat to just cut power and crank the audio up to listen to the eerie background noises Frontier plays when you're near one of these.
It's just beautiful seeing these, and kinda neat to just cut power and crank the audio up to listen to the eerie background noises Frontier plays when you're near one of these.
Joseph Merrick
Member
there was actually a really nice feedback thread on there I saw yesterday. not an avalanche of assholes posting image macros either.
here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/304393-Fdev-your-killing-our-player-faction!
at least when I read it, it was still very good. almost every post with nice not positive feedback
Beautiful.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
LOL! But yeah, exploration in Elite can be kind of like that, sadly enough. I still enjoy it though, its the hunt for interesting and scenic places that keeps me doing it. That hunt is just filled with a lot of mundane stuff too. I watch youtube videos while I fly, or listen to podcasts, it makes the hunt bearable.
But then every now and then you find something like THIS and suddenly its all worth it:
Yep. I did not even check out the new update
Eh, honestly the 2.2 update added a lot of great stuff to the game, I think its my favorite patch so far. The passenger missions are done really well IMHO, especially now that they finally have the payouts sorted and fixed again. Long range PAX jobs are pretty much exploration missions, Im finding them a lot of fun actually. And the geysers and fumeroles you can now find on planet surfaces are implemented really well. My biggest gripe is that they are hard to find, there needs to be some mechanic implemented that can be used to actually search for them, currently its a lot of luck. And the new fighters are surprisingly fun to use, both for combat and just messing around in. And these are just the big hitters, 2.2 brought with it a huge amount of QOL improvements too:
- Neutron star boosting
- New graphics for neutrons and white dwarfs
- Galaxy map route plotter fixed finally!!!!
- Surface maps for planets
- Module storage
- Ship transfers
- Pre-hyperspace info popup
And thats just off the top of my head.
Nah, 2.2 was a really great update, IMHO, and I hope its a trend that continues from Frontier.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah, 2.2 is my fav patch so far, too.
I also only play a few hours 1-2 days a week, given how busy I am at work right now, so I'm far less likely to burn out
I also only play a few hours 1-2 days a week, given how busy I am at work right now, so I'm far less likely to burn out
Guess I need to look into it. But I barely have any money and I just think you have to put in too much time to get some satisfaction back. First time finding wreckages, be surprised by white dwarves, cruisng around planets and looking for stuff or great vistas is what I loved the most - I don't have this anymore.
But I barely have any money and I just think you have to put in too much time to get some satisfaction back. First time finding wreckages, be surprised by white dwarves, cruisng around planets and looking for stuff or great vistas is what I loved the most - I don't have this anymore.Yeah, there can be useful feedback. Overall, the Elite community is pretty good in this regards. As long as it doesn't touch on what people think is immersion or simulation though. People were having fits over the CQC rank being added to the right info panel. Not a part of Elite, immersion breaking bla.
If you want to have fun on the official forums, mention guilds and global chat.
Anton Sugar
Member
What do you all think of the upcoming combat, engineer, and Powerplay changes? Reddit is saying that the changes address a ton of requests from the community, but I'm not familiar enough with common complains to know if that's true or not.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
They are all good changes for combat oriented players. For players like me they are nerfs, as gimballed weapons will be worse after the update while fixed will be stronger, so yeah, Im not personally very excited about that. I really dont think that gimbals needed nerfing, but whatever.
Basically, for traders and explorers, it will be even more critical than ever to run from fights ASAP, as we will have even less of a chance defending ourselves as we do now.
Joseph Merrick
Member
they should add cqc into the game though. have monthly tournaments, single cmdrs or teams could represent their home system. would be good.
I agree with Mengy, but then it seems to be my story with Elite: By the time I hear about some good way to make money or do combat that particular thing is nerfed right after I have invested enough time and money to get a quick taste of said minor success. I bought my first gimballed lasers a couble of days ago and I spent dozens of hours grinding for them and to rebuild my ASP in order to do the now formerly lucrative passenger missions. Furthermore I have had the ASP forever as I never seem to be able to make enough cash to get a more expensive ship. Still, enjoy exploring for the community goal atm, hope it won't be done right before I am back in the bubble. Would like to sell a bit to both the Children and the Federation, even though that money should not be too much when compared to selling the many scans themselves.
SuperCambot
Banned
Am I the only one who reads "Elite Dangerous" and sees "Ellen DeGeneres?"
Anton Sugar
Member
Relevant especially to explorers: running Elite w/o Horizons drastically improves load and hyperspace times: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...not_running_horizons_results_in_faster_jumps/
Wonder if it affects instance transitions (dropping from SC) as well.
Wonder if it affects instance transitions (dropping from SC) as well.
Dick Laurent
Member
a bunch of threads about combatlogging on frontier forums now, came across it because eurogamer wrote a thing. never understand how people care about this.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rs-are-trying-to-get-frontier-to-fix-cheating
but then, even if I've played a lot in open, all the interaction with other players I've had is saying hello in chat as we head in our separate directions. never had any interest in hunting anyone down, and never been interdicted by another player. I've seen a couple of sdc morons stream and be really upset and report someone when specific players they target and stalk log off or network glitch out. who is going to take that report seriously from those morons.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rs-are-trying-to-get-frontier-to-fix-cheating
but then, even if I've played a lot in open, all the interaction with other players I've had is saying hello in chat as we head in our separate directions. never had any interest in hunting anyone down, and never been interdicted by another player. I've seen a couple of sdc morons stream and be really upset and report someone when specific players they target and stalk log off or network glitch out. who is going to take that report seriously from those morons.
If you're in open, you're opting in to engaging with other players. Pulling the plug or alt-f4ing when someone opens fire on you kinda defeats the purpose. It's worse in other games when hunting players is sometimes essential to survive like DayZ etc.
Anton Sugar
Member
Black Friday sale is up: https://www.frontierstore.net/usd/game-extras/elite-dangerous-game-extras.html?p=1
The light backgrounds don't do those paint jobs any favors. Makes them look like toys. Still, some of the AspX paints are nice.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
If you don't want to run the risk of being killed just play in one of the many private groups or in solo mode.
Playing in open for player interaction also includes the bad, combat logging is a huge morale killer because it ruins pvp (even ganking) and kills any of the risk associated with playing in open.
Seriously though, PvP in elite is an important part of the game and needs to be actively encouraged more. As it's one of the few parts of the game that is genuinely player driven.
Playing in open for player interaction also includes the bad, combat logging is a huge morale killer because it ruins pvp (even ganking) and kills any of the risk associated with playing in open.
Seriously though, PvP in elite is an important part of the game and needs to be actively encouraged more. As it's one of the few parts of the game that is genuinely player driven.
I don't play in open so I've never dealt with combat logging. Most of the time it's a legit interaction where you should just take your punishment, but in cases where people are huge assholes and do things like go silent and wait for you to boost into them near a station...yeah I'm okay with ruining their climax.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I have run into CMDRs who just wanna wing up and kill everything in a haz RES and ive met CMDRs who hunted me down across an entire solar system and even succeeded. I have been killed completely unprovoked and picked fights I knew I stood no chance of winning. I have lost more than I have made in PvP but I keep at it because it's engaging to interact with other players on any level in this game.
Using combat logging as moral policing of what is and isn't an ethical is still meh and actively sucks the fun out of things for at least one person in the exchange which is a sign of bad design.
If you ask me though i don't think combat logging is anything more than a symptom of the fact that pvp in this game has a huge barrier to entry thanks to engineers. If two A rated FdLs meet and one is fully engineered and the other is sporting a couple of rank 2 mods you might as well be in a sidewinder. That's kind of demoralizing.
So in many levels i fully understand why it's even a thing since most pvp engagements have a very one sidedness to them and brew a very "why bother" attitude.
Sure the CQC mode tried to make it a more even ground experience but you can't fly what you want there and no one even really plays it.
Using combat logging as moral policing of what is and isn't an ethical is still meh and actively sucks the fun out of things for at least one person in the exchange which is a sign of bad design.
If you ask me though i don't think combat logging is anything more than a symptom of the fact that pvp in this game has a huge barrier to entry thanks to engineers. If two A rated FdLs meet and one is fully engineered and the other is sporting a couple of rank 2 mods you might as well be in a sidewinder. That's kind of demoralizing.
So in many levels i fully understand why it's even a thing since most pvp engagements have a very one sidedness to them and brew a very "why bother" attitude.
Sure the CQC mode tried to make it a more even ground experience but you can't fly what you want there and no one even really plays it.
SpongeBob NoPants
Member
There are a few things that Frontier could do that would go some way to addressing these issues:
- Increase the likelihood of aggressive PvP players being matched against each other in the same game instances.
- Strengthen and increase the numbers of the security forces in proportion to the players bounty and allow them to track criminally aggressive PvP players across neutral or superpower affiliated systems.
- Make the bounty proportionate to the difference between the value of the players ships and/or wings. Anaconda vs. Anaconda is a fair fight resulting in a relatively small increase in bounty. A wing of four fully upgraded Anacondas vs. a Hauler results in a huge increase in notoriety.
- (my favourite) Increase the bounty on those who initiate PvP combat against non-wanted players and enable a Dark Souls style covenant / guild for players dedicated to bringing them to justice. A hundred million for nailing a persistent griefer? Yes, please.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Yeah those would be great changes, alternatively something like a sector of the bubble where PVP engagements payout more would be great.
And maybe even nerfing all combat and shield engineer mods or making them way easier to get (like literally just costing money instead of materials) would be a really nice thing preventing players who haven't dumped 100+ hours into the engineer grind from being completely outclassed. It might even encourage non horizon players to actually want to participate.
And maybe even nerfing all combat and shield engineer mods or making them way easier to get (like literally just costing money instead of materials) would be a really nice thing preventing players who haven't dumped 100+ hours into the engineer grind from being completely outclassed. It might even encourage non horizon players to actually want to participate.
First - Considering how large the galaxy is and the already sketchy instancing and low player max, this would never amount to anything.
Second - How would you stop someone from their own group from cashing this in?
SpongeBob NoPants
Member
Good point on number one. There would be nothing to be lost by applying the principle, but I've got to agree that occasions when it would be applicable might be relatively rare.
As for point two, there are definitely options. Tweaking buy-back costs might be one, but I'd go with this: bounties are evenly distributed to everyone attached to a wing, whether or not they actually land a blow in the combat. Taking out a team-mate reduces your own bounty by half that amount or less - after all, you're an outlaw, you don't get to complain about the niceties.
So, for example, a wing of three pirates hits an innocent trader and picks up a bounty of a combined bounty 30,000 credits, or 10,000 each. Commander A later takes down Commander B. Commander A reduces his bounty to 5,000 and makes make an enemy in the process. Commander B's bounty is reduced to 5,000 - he's not dead after all - and he has to pay his re-buy cost. Commander C is still an outlaw with 10,000 on his head.
It might need a little adjusting, but something along those lines should provide opportunities for a little profitable backstabbing without too much exploitation going on.
There's a few ways to handle combat logging, IMO, in ways that don't require Frontier to spend time reviewing accounts and banning people:
Make it so a disconnect does not instantly remove your ship from the online game. Like in other MMOs, where an offline user will suddenly become unresponsive, but still "there" and still killable. Add a timeout similar to the regular logoff timer.. 15-30 seconds until the ship disappears. That will remove the (apparent) monetary reasons for combat-logging, in that your ship will still be blown to smithereens and you're still stuck with a rebuy.
Or, have the system note whether the user logged off the system properly or disconnected suddenly. Easy enough to do, just have the server log a small flag when a user "Saves and Exits", and if that flag isn't there when the user attempts to reconnect (indicating a "invalid" logoff), then the user is restricted from accessing Open Play for X amount of time, maybe a few hours, and that value goes up the more it happens. But they're still able to access Private Groups and Solo play.
Make it so a disconnect does not instantly remove your ship from the online game. Like in other MMOs, where an offline user will suddenly become unresponsive, but still "there" and still killable. Add a timeout similar to the regular logoff timer.. 15-30 seconds until the ship disappears. That will remove the (apparent) monetary reasons for combat-logging, in that your ship will still be blown to smithereens and you're still stuck with a rebuy.
Or, have the system note whether the user logged off the system properly or disconnected suddenly. Easy enough to do, just have the server log a small flag when a user "Saves and Exits", and if that flag isn't there when the user attempts to reconnect (indicating a "invalid" logoff), then the user is restricted from accessing Open Play for X amount of time, maybe a few hours, and that value goes up the more it happens. But they're still able to access Private Groups and Solo play.
Are those prices available to the XB1 version too?
The game is p2p, so that won't work. Taking damage and dying is handled on the client. That's why you can't kill combat loggers when their ship is still visible even though they are disconnected.
It would need a complete overhaul of the networking and I don't see that happening.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Aw, none of the ship kits are on sale. And neither are the SRV paints.
Still, I might buy a paint pack for my new Anaconda....
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I bought weapon colors because my HUD is green and I wanna fire green bullets.
Yep. I did not even check out the new update
My problem is I have more than enough time for a slow burn but every time I try Elite nowadays I feel like I could be doing something more fun.
Go to the official forums, complain about the reasons.
Wait for apologists to come in...
- Gid gud!
- But mah immersion!
- But simulation!
- This game is not for you, CoD instant gratification kiddy! This requires time, planning, ... (aka: braindead grind and lots of Netflix in normal people's terms)
- But griefers!
Did I forget something?
Wow, LTTP much!
What little hope I had for the game's design dissipated when I joined and posted the official forums, people really don't like having sand in their sandbox.
Ah, that reminds me of another one of my favorite apologist arguments!
"There is no grind! It's all about the way you play and your attitude. Nobody forces you to use the slightly exploitative process of gaining credits/ranks/mats, that is however so ridiculously more effective at gaining those things, as to render every other potential way obsolete. You're not forced to experience any of the game's content after all and could just stick to your Sidewinder and starting system to have a good time."
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Out of curiosity, where was the mission target that you couldn't reach?
Hen 2-23. "Glorious nebula".
Sadly I'm at this point too. This game lacks respect for those of us who have busy lives. If I'm lucky and get an hour to play, I sure as hell don't want to be hyperspacing/supercruising all the time. But that's what I end up doing most of the time.
I still think the flight model / galaxy are amazing.
I'll be back too.