BarringGaffner
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yeah we should definitely implement more policies out of spite. Seems like a good use of resources.
EU Parliament: Americans should not have visa-free access to Europe
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Honestly though, they're not going to suddenly realize this is what it feels like for minorities and suddenly grow some sympathy. They're just going to think, "They're infringing on me! Screw them!" and keep on hating minorities some more.
That said, I say good for Europe!
1.21Gigawatts
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So we should show Trump that he is wrong by doing nothing?
This is not how international politics work. If you start that approach you will be taken advantage of.
Muffin1611
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I don't really like that development, but hell, America had it coming with their visa policies.
If it forces America to loosen them again somewhere down the line I'm all for it.
If it forces America to loosen them again somewhere down the line I'm all for it.
That's called reciprocity and if Donald forces the hand of the EU, the EU will have to apply the same measures to US citizens. You cannot pick some EU countries to discriminate against and hope that the others will just let it slip.
It's something he knows very well and if he wants to play, the former allies will do, too.
Pyramid head
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Apologies, you're completely right. I guess the process just washed over me to the extent I totally forgot about it.
Muffin1611
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Out of spite? The US wants to negotiate with single EU countries in contrast to the whole EU entity now to sow discord between EU member states and generally destabilize the EU.
The EU not reacting when some of their member states are treated with visa policies like this by the US would defeat the purpose of the EU and play right into their hands.
This isn't out of spite, it's a necessary measure which the US is entirely at fault for.
This is not even spite. It is just one of the rules for the visa-free travel: all EU countries have to be treated equal with a 24 month period to change. The US is no longer reaching the requirements. That simple.
-Plasma Reus-
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Considering the absurd shit some nationals have to go through when they land, I'm glad Americans will have to go through the same shit. I mean, America even takes place of birth into account, so a person who has no ties to a country and was merely born there, is still questioned.
Absurd all around.
Absurd all around.
spazchicken
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Muh rights tho.
"Latin Americans. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people"
Still Thanks Obama. This was raised in 2014, so he had three years to fix it. For all the stuff we can throw at Trump, this one is not Trump's sole fault.
Fox Mulder
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I'm sure this will really affect the travel plans of the average Trump voter.
You'll notice the first word on all of these passports. The EU protects the rights of its citizens. I don't know why people would think that the EU should respond to a state refusing to give its citizens visa-free travel by letting the citizens of that other state have visa free travel into the EU.
RedAssedApe
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Time to build a wall in the atlantic
CyclopsRock
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It's happened in almost every country outside the EU that I've been to (other than Switzerland, natch). It's very common. In fact, if you have an ESTA travelling to the US it's only really like that the first time you use it. I've cleared JFK from being on the plane to being in the cab rank in about 15 minutes as recently as January. Canada was very similar to the US in its practices (I didn't need a visa, but they asked more questions than the US border guys ever have). When I went to China I had to give my passport to the Chinese embassy in London for a week before hand.
You did not give your fingerprints when you went to China. Giving a passport to an embassy to attach a visa is common.
Frankfurter
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I think we need to do this. The US is obviously trying to split the EU and we can't just stand at the sideline and watch this happening. It's a sad state of affairs that the USA of 2017 are an enemy of the EU :/
CyclopsRock
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I know?
You are saying that giving fingerprints has happened in almost every country you went to, and also gave China as an example.
Trump has already threatened to review it for certain European countries. This statement implies that the European Union will not allow a partial review: it will be all or nothing. That should put pressure on Trump's business partners.
Skellig Gra
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Glad my son already has his EU passport.
Edit: I understand why they would do this but considering how many EU states rely so heavily on tourism I doubt it'll ever pass.
Edit: I understand why they would do this but considering how many EU states rely so heavily on tourism I doubt it'll ever pass.
Frankfurter
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That may very well happen. But the EU can't accept that some of its countries are allowed to travel visa-free, while others aren't.
I'm sure it'll catch some both sides are the same, I'm protesting my vote people though.
Its not childish, it's called being held accountable for your actions. Something this administration is not very familiar with.
Can't to see some pasty looking white dude crying and campaigning that he feels victimised by racial profiling and discrimination. Blah fucking blah.
As a brown Muslim with a (short) beard: Welcome to my world, bitch.
(Edit: I guess that's off-topic but screw it, I'm venting)
As a brown Muslim with a (short) beard: Welcome to my world, bitch.
I literally get searched and questioned under the terrorism act every time I come back to the UK from a holiday
Absolutely. Sorry guys but fuck your despicable bullshit.
No its not. Even when i go to Russia, it has never happened to me.
I don't think Trump voters are the ones visiting Europe. Except the really wealthy.
Yeah, it feels like will hurt us more than anyone else.
Souldriver
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I'm not sure I like this.
EU should contrast the backwards policies of the US by showing how it should be done, not implement the same protectionist/nationalist policies as the US.
Off course, I'm looking at this uninformed and from a long distance. I don't know if there are valid reasons for the Visa rule, instead of retaliation.
EU should contrast the backwards policies of the US by showing how it should be done, not implement the same protectionist/nationalist policies as the US.
Off course, I'm looking at this uninformed and from a long distance. I don't know if there are valid reasons for the Visa rule, instead of retaliation.
There are valid reasons: giving US citizens entering the EU the same treatment they give to some EU citizens entering the US. It's only fair.
Elfotografoalocado
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Not in Europe, AFAIK. Tho my GF has her fingerprint on her Spanish residence card... But I don't think it's required for tourism entry. Airport security is somewhat less strict and TSA agents here sure are less assholish. When I went to the US (JFK) they sure seemed to like making people have a bad time. That is, me being white AF.
Frankfurter
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To be fair you probably just had back luck. Went to the US (white German with a very "German"-sounding name) twice and didn't have any issues whatsoever. First time with my father and the TSA agent kind of joked around because he knew a couple of German words. Second time me alone (visa for studying a semester) and the guy just asked the standard questions (why are you here, do you plan to work, do you plan to leave and when etc.). Was through customs within a minute or two (+ 2 hours or so in the queue of course).
KonradLaw
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The whole EU is built on unity and solidarity. Individual countries, aside from maybe France and Germany are small and insignificant as global powers. The only reason EU gets to be a global superpower is by acting as one entity. This is why such reaction is necessary. You can't allow americans to pick and choose between EU members. By allowing that EU would loose most of it's collective bargaining power for everything else.
It's also why UK is screwed when it comes to trade deal with EU post-Brexit, because it will have to negotieate with the whole block at once.
I don't get people saying something like this is petty, reciprocity is a very common thing in international relations, not only related to visas but citizenship, extraditions, tarifs and some other economical things. Also this is a problem related to countries and not their current governments, this problem started with Obama and it probably wouldn't be any different if Hillary was president, the only difference may be in how the US president deals with the situation.
Oh I know there's prejudice, I just find it interesting that even here people don't think about it. It's easier for some to think of Japan as a somewhat western country outside Europe and succesful british colonies, than it is to consider a very large area with 600 mi people that lives under that same western culture as western.
I bet you'll miss those random Americans ignorant to European tipping customs leaving you 20% gratuity!
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