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[RevenantKioku]

Yes it is. That's exactly what it's going to do. Cut out the random battles and what you're left with is a plot that spans around 20 to 30 hours in length (see Chrono Cross for an example of how much shorter a Japanese rpg can get without random battles).

Okay, and how long does the plot of Fable span across? It seems to be a lot less and that's not appealing to me.

Huh? Fable was never pushed as some huge, giant rpg that took hundreds of hours to finish. You deluded yourself. Why blame the game?

Okay, I got the wrong impression. Still, why should I go nuts all over it even if it is a great game if its not what I want?

Then why do you feel the need to have a whinge? If that's the case you shouldn't even be in this thread.

I can't discuss what I feel is wrong or not appealing about a game?

We really fucking need a rolleyes smiley in this forum.

Look, I'm not claiming there's anything wrong with random battles, Final Fantasy 7 is one of my favourite games of all time, I'm just stating that they bloat the length of what would otherwise be a shorter game. RPGs that real time battles will always be shorter than those with random battles (see Zelda, even KOTOR). If you don't like this then avoid playing action rpgs for god's sake.

Like I said, I'm not considering raw completion time, but the main quest, length of that. It sounds a bit lame and stretched out at this point I'm aware, but I am kinda just realizing what my feelings on this are as I'm discussing this.
You issued that in your first reply to me. I have nothing against ARPGs, but like I admitted earlier a game doesn't have to be long. Again, its on a game by game basis.
Perhaps I was expecting something from Fable I'd never be able to get, but what has been presented to me isn't something I'm actually interested in.

Action RPGs don't HAVE to be shorter anyway. I'd like a good long one for once.

 

[chespace]

Okay, and how long does the plot of Fable span across? It seems to be a lot less and that's not appealing to me.

here's the proper sequence of criticism: first play the game. then shoot your mouth off.

 

[Optimistic]

He's already stated he won't be playing the game. Again I ask, where the FUCK is that rolleyes smiley?

 

[dark10x]

This guy is driving me nuts! I've never seen someone contradict themself so many times and not realize it. It's like, every point of his has been shot down...but he just keeps moving on like nothing has happened. What a trooper!

 

[MightyHedgehog]

From all the thread activity regarding Fable, I'd say it'll do well for itself and that there seems to be plenty of BS trolling of a game that they've yet to play for themselves.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

RPGs that real time battles will always be shorter than those with random battles (see Zelda, even KOTOR).

This is a very odd sentence:

(1) your opposition of 'real time battles' with 'random battles' is odd; real-time-ness and randomness are two independent qualities; battles can be both random and real-time (e.g. Star Ocean series, FFX2) or neither random nor real-time (e.g. Romancing SaGa series, Chrono Cross, Xenosaga)

(2) your claim itself is doubtful; frequency and randomness are independent qualities; there's no reason battles can't be both random and infrequent (e.g. FF8 with 'reduce encounters by half' ability activated) or frequent but not random (e.g. Romancing SaGa 1)

 

[TekunoRobby]

frequency

Yeah that was a pretty cool game, sadly not enough people bought it but atleast it paved way for the sequel! My friend and I still get together now and then for some button-mashing battles on those two games.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

Do you mind? I'm trying to be pedantic here, and was doing a damn fine job until you came along.

 

[RevenantKioku]

I'm going to have to go back through this thread and see what brought me here in the first place and at what point me having a negative opinion about a fucking game turned me into a troll.

 

[6.8]

I'm going to have to go back through this thread and see what brought me here in the first place and at what point me having a negative opinion about a fucking game turned me into a troll.

a fucking game you haven't played, and never had intention of playing, and never will play.

 

[RevenantKioku]

a fucking game you haven't played, and never had intention of playing, and never will play.

Well actually the will to spite in my might change things.

Look, most of us are doing the same thing, some are just praising it instead. We're looking at the same batch of info and deriving an opinion on what we think of the game.
I've never stated that anything definitely "was" about Fable except disappointing and not worth it in my eye.

 

[dark10x]

I'm going to have to go back through this thread and see what brought me here in the first place and at what point me having a negative opinion about a fucking game turned me into a troll.

Kioku, come on now...you claimed yourself to be a troll. Several times over, you have clearly stated that you had NO intention of ever playing the game and only wished to further attack the title.

When you say stuff like...

Nah, Pikmin 2 is fun. Fable is just shit.

-or-

Don't get me wrong I wasn't going to buy or play Fable before I heard about this, but this is just more reason not to in my book.

...people WILL label you as a troll.

Now, the main point is that many times over you have stated things such as...

Look, I don't know shit about Fable. All I remember is Moley-I-can't-spell-his-dumb-ass-name talking about the "epic, greatest RPG" he was making. That gives you this idea of this freedom, and that you can put some hours into the game each day, maybe racking up hours upon hours of game-play.

tell you after a measly 22 hours that your main quest is over is dissapointing for me.

it feels if everything they talked up is put into a 22 hour game,

I paid $50 for a game on release because I was looking forward to it. I'd hope I get about 50 hours out of it. They're not gonna be consecutive by any means, but I'd hope to get them.

Look, my issue with Fable is, with all the shit supposedly going on in the game, it just seems in my mind that 22 hours should be the tip of the iceberg.

just personally hold RPGs to a different and very skewed standard than I do other games.

And that life I expected to take more than 20 hours and they're like

They've said the main quest is short. That I find weak.

Look at all those. They all complain about the length of the game, which would be OK -IF- you hadn't already claimed to have enjoyed many other RPGs which were said to be of similar length. Xenosaga was the first game you brought up, and it was originally noted to be of the same length. If it took you MORE time to finish, that proves that you should never listen to another person's estimate on length. I suppose if length is so important, you aren't going to play Xenosaga II are you? Afterall, it's shorter than Fable is supposed to be...

Throughout the thread, you have stated and re-stated that the short length was an issue...yet you brought games into the picture (which you seemingly loved) which were considered to be of a similar length.

In addition to that, you stated that you never had any interest in the game to begin with and even directly insulted the title. So, in addition to your double standard, you are assaulting the game and tossing around insults.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Ownage.

 

[Ghost]

 

[Optimistic]

You know, I was just about to type up a post along those lines, but dark has saved me the trouble. Thanks dude, I certainly wouldn't have wasted so many words on that guy.

This is a very odd sentence:

(1) your opposition of 'real time battles' with 'random battles' is odd; real-time-ness and randomness are two independent qualities; battles can be both random and real-time (e.g. Star Ocean series, FFX2) or neither random nor real-time (e.g. Romancing SaGa series, Chrono Cross, Xenosaga)

Like you said above, you're a pedant. For one, those games you mentioned are the exceptions to the rule (and aside from this, they're still turn based, no?). And the "neither random nor real time" are yep, you guessed it, turn based, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Clearly I was referring to those of the turn based genre because yeah that's right, the FF series and practically every other fucking Japanese rpg is turn based.

(2) your claim itself is doubtful; frequency and randomness are independent qualities; there's no reason battles can't be both random and infrequent (e.g. FF8 with 'reduce encounters by half' ability activated) or frequent but not random (e.g. Romancing SaGa 1)

We're not fucking talking about hypotheticals, or crappy powerups that you only get 3/4ths of the way throught the game. We're talking about the incredibly large majority (like 99%) of turn based, random battle Japanese RPGs that have incredibly high frequencies of random battles. But nice try there.

 

[Optimistic]

Actually on second thoughts, I think I'll have a crack.

Look, most of us are doing the same thing, some are just praising it instead. We're looking at the same batch of info and deriving an opinion on what we think of the game.

No. Most of "us" are not doing that. You're doing that. I'm pretty sure I have yet to state in this thread what I think of the game personally. Sure, I've expressed my hope that it'll be good, it certainly sounds good from all reports, but as I haven't played it I have not claimed it to be a brilliant game. All I, and others, have done is refute your ridiculous judgements on a game you haven't played and have no intention of playing. Secondly, you clearly haven't looked at any "batch" of info -

Look, I don't know shit about Fable. All I remember is Moley-I-can't-spell-his-dumb-ass-name talking about the "epic, greatest RPG" he was making. That gives you this idea of this freedom, and that you can put some hours into the game each day, maybe racking up hours upon hours of game-play.

Stop fucking backpaddling. You don't have a leg to stand on.

I've never stated that anything definitely "was" about Fable except disappointing and not worth it in my eye.

Precisely. You stated this, and then admitted that you a. "don't know shit about Fable" and b. don't even plan on playing it. So really, why are you even expressing such an uninformed opinion?

 

[sprsk]

Like you said above, you're a pedant. For one, those games you mentioned are the exceptions to the rule (and aside from this, they're still turn based, no?). And the "neither random nor real time" are yep, you guessed it, turn based, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Clearly I was referring to those of the turn based genre because yeah that's right, the FF series and practically every other fucking Japanese rpg is turn based.
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you know, kotor was turn based.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

And the "neither random nor real time" are yep, you guessed it, turn based, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Clearly I was referring to those of the turn based genre because yeah that's right, the FF series and practically every other fucking Japanese rpg is turn based.

Huh? In the sentence I quoted you didn't say turn based, you said random. Two completely separate concepts that are anything but interchangeable. Why don't you say what you mean? (btw, it's hardly true that almost every Japanese RPG is turn based. Even the FF series isn't anymore)

From a game designer's perspective there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from making battles as frequent or infrequent as they like whether random or not. If you meant to exclude hypotheticals and special cases you shouldn't have said "...will always be...". You need to learn to choose your words more carefully.

 

[Optimistic]

Huh? In the sentence I quoted you didn't say turn based, you said random. Two completely separate concepts that are anything but interchangeable. Why don't you say what you mean? (btw, it's hardly true that almost every Japanese RPG is turn based. Even the FF series isn't anymore)

I never claimed they were interchangeable. For god's sake, what is wrong with you people? Most random battle rpgs are turn based, the implication of turn based rpgs went along with my random battle comment. This is not fucking preschool, or an English essay, everyone else understood what I was saying, stop trying to find fault with what I said, it's utterly pathetic. And it is true that almost every Japanese RPG is turn based. Yes, that is starting to change, but who said anything about CURRENT rpgs being released next year? What's that? no one? We're talking about all Japanese rpgs that have been released in the market. Two can play at the pedant game. How's that hot cup of "owned" tasting? And don't say "I should have specified", only a complete fucking idiot would have trouble grasping the fact that I was referring to Japanese rpgs in general, past and present.

From a game designer's perspective there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from making battles as frequent or infrequent as they like whether random or not. If you meant to exclude hypotheticals and special cases you shouldn't have said "...will always be...". You need to learn to choose your words more carefully.

But hang on, when I said "will always be", I wasn't referring to the frequency of random battles. Let's have a look at what i said shall we?

The fact is, action rpgs will always be shorter than turn based random battle rpgs, and if people don't like this fact they shouldn't play or look forward to games of the genre.

OH LOOK AT THAT BIZARRO. YOU'RE WRONG. AGAIN.

you know, kotor was turn based.

It wasn't a purely turn based game, dude. So who's next?

 

[chespace]

this clusterfuck of a mobius thread has motivated me to install fable on my debug right now and give it a go. just so i can tell you all to fucking eat shit because you're just plain wrong.

 

[Optimistic]

Stick it to the man, man.

 

[IJoel]

HOLIER THAN THOU!

 

[chespace]

HOLIER THAN THOU!

oh jesus here we go again. stick, meet mud.

 

[PhatSaqs]

this clusterfuck of a mobius thread has motivated me to install fable on my debug right now and give it a go. just so i can tell you all to fucking eat shit because you're just plain wrong.

This does have sort of a "you are all beneath me!!!" type ring to it che

 

[chespace]

for the sarcastically impaired.



edit: and also, i really do want to play through it now, just so i can, y'know, practice what i so caustically preach.

 

[Optimistic]

That may be so, PhatSaqs, but they clearly ARE all beneath him.

For the joke impaired -

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

Yes, that is starting to change, but who said anything about CURRENT rpgs being released next year?

Well, in the FF series we have FFXI and the spinoff FFX-2, both of which have real-time battles, both of which are over a year old.

Again, the sentence I quoted was:

RPGs that real time battles will always be shorter than those with random battles (see Zelda, even KOTOR).

Yeah, I do recognize the flabby concepts you're trying to reference, but I don't accept them. Haven't you ever read Orwell's classic essay Politics and the English Language ? Sloppy use of language leads to sloppy thinking.

 

[PhatSaqs]

for the sarcastically impaired.

lol. Signature?

 

[Redbeard]

Che, as long as you're playing it, can you tell me if any of these environments are still in the game:

 

[Chrono]

So when the hell will ign and gamespot have their reviews up?

 

[IJoel]

This does have sort of a "you are all beneath me!!!" type ring to it che

DING DING!

 

[IJoel]

So when the hell will ign and gamespot have their reviews up?

I think TeamXbox will have their review at 10AM, while IGN will have theirs at 6PM. All PST.

On that note, it'd be hilarious if TeamXbox and IGN's reviews were 8.X. Certainly comeuppance for those criticizing the review.

 

[Mrbob]

IGNs review is going up at 10AM PST today as well.

Forums are going to implode everywhere. Such is the power of Fable.

8/10 and people are bitching roofles. It's not like the game scored a 4/10 or a C-.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Hell yeah. The boards are gonna go crazy if the game doesnt get a 9 or above.
I dont think it'll be as bad 7.9 though . Unless of coruse, Fable gets in the 7s...

 

[Phoenix]

Ownage.

Man, why is this reminding me of Gahiggidy the game - just waiting for the screen to shake

 

[IJoel]

Man, why is this reminding me of Gahiggidy the game - just waiting for the screen to shake

Man, I just picture Gahiggidy sitting in front of the computer grinning from ear to ear at this thread.




Well, I know I am.

 

[EviLore]

this clusterfuck of a mobius thread has motivated me to install fable on my debug right now and give it a go. just so i can tell you all to fucking eat shit because you're just plain wrong

Tone it down a notch.

 

[seismologist]

Che, as long as you're playing it, can you tell me if any of these environments are still in the game:

Id like to know too. I haven't seen any pictures like that in a long time. In recent pics, scenes outside town look like they all take place on a forest path.

 

[sprsk]

I never claimed they were interchangeable. For god's sake, what is wrong with you people? Most random battle rpgs are turn based, the implication of turn based rpgs went along with my random battle comment. This is not fucking preschool, or an English essay, everyone else understood what I was saying, stop trying to find fault with what I said, it's utterly pathetic. And it is true that almost every Japanese RPG is turn based. Yes, that is starting to change, but who said anything about CURRENT rpgs being released next year? What's that? no one? We're talking about all Japanese rpgs that have been released in the market. Two can play at the pedant game. How's that hot cup of "owned" tasting? And don't say "I should have specified", only a complete fucking idiot would have trouble grasping the fact that I was referring to Japanese rpgs in general, past and present.




But hang on, when I said "will always be", I wasn't referring to the frequency of random battles. Let's have a look at what i said shall we?



OH LOOK AT THAT BIZARRO. YOU'RE WRONG. AGAIN.




It wasn't a purely turn based game, dude. So who's next?

Actually it was, it only gave the illusion (bad one at that) of a real time one. WHOS NEXT!!!!! GOLDBERGGGG

 

[MC Safety]

Id like to know too. I haven't seen any pictures like that in a long time. In recent pics, scenes outside town look like they all take place on a forest path.

I don't remember any of them outright. Balverines are certainly in the game. There are also a few scenes where the hero gets to stand atop some ledge and look out at the world.

 

[IJoel]

So, will this be the 'Official Fable Thread'?

Mods should rename it or create another one (*shivers*). We know they'll start popping up once the TeamXbox/IGN reviews show up.

MS changed the Fable cover too:

 

[Redbeard]

"FAYLE" would've been a better mock title.

I don't remember any of them outright. Balverines are certainly in the game. There are also a few scenes where the hero gets to stand atop some ledge and look out at the world.

That sucks.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

When is 10am PST in EST?

 

[PhatSaqs]

1pm (47 more minutes!!!)

 

[gofreak]

I shall be home at 7 GMT. I expect much weeping and gnashing of teeth by then..don't disappoint GAF

 

[RevenantKioku]

Kioku, come on now...you claimed yourself to be a troll. Several times over, you have clearly stated that you had NO intention of ever playing the game and only wished to further attack the title.

When you say stuff like......people WILL label you as a troll.

The Pikmin 2 was just a joke. I said afterwards I thought the thread was getting to lovey-dovey and I wanted to "throw some hate in". Apparently it didn't come off that way clear enough, so I apologize. Hate me if you will, I do apologize for that.
The topic at hand is Fable's length and whether or not its an issue. I was just trying to put out a viewpoint that the length could be disappointing.
Sez Ferricide:

FFX is still a bigger game than fable, though, and suggesting it's only the randoms that make it longer is ... ignorant. as just about anyone who's trying to make points about fable is, still

Now Fable might not be a lot shorter than it, but it was still my wrongly given impression that it was going to be a huge quest in it. I don't know if I'm the only one who got that impression, but if you did, I can see this news being disappointing. Again I'm referring to the main aspect, not side-quests or re-plays. If I'm wrong about that impression, and optimistic seemed to show that I was, fine, I got wrong info. Still disappointing.

Now, the main point is that many times over you have stated things such as...
Look at all those. They all complain about the length of the game, which would be OK -IF- you hadn't already claimed to have enjoyed many other RPGs which were said to be of similar length. Xenosaga was the first game you brought up, and it was originally noted to be of the same length. If it took you MORE time to finish, that proves that you should never listen to another person's estimate on length. I suppose if length is so important, you aren't going to play Xenosaga II are you? Afterall, it's shorter than Fable is supposed to be...

Again, this is based on misinformation on my part. I was wrong. Plain old hour-age isn't a big deal to me, I was just expecting too much.

Throughout the thread, you have stated and re-stated that the short length was an issue...yet you brought games into the picture (which you seemingly loved) which were considered to be of a similar length.

In addition to that, you stated that you never had any interest in the game to begin with and even directly insulted the title. So, in addition to your double standard, you are assaulting the game and tossing around insults.

To be honest, I was being a little over-dramatic with the no interest never gonna play it deal. I'll humbly accept defeat on this one, because I got to admit after re-reading the thread I might snag this some day out of a $10 bin or if xbox.com/retail offers it I'll snag it up.
I don't see what the lengths of other games I enjoy have to do with it. I'm not talking about that. Some games can benefit from short length, some don't. I don't think the Fable information presented to me made it fit into that scheme. I believe length is an issue for what this game was set up to be to my understanding, again possible misinformation.

So again, I fucked myself into a corner on this one and made a big mess of a thread. I still stand by that I think its disappointing and all that its not to big on the main quest, but hey, whatever. Fuckin' rag on me some more or whatever, say I'm a lame ass for this reply, but I mean what I'm saying.
Fable will be a good game and sell well, but I'm still not convinced that I should go out and buy it day one, but that's not the point.

Edit: Damn, and I didn't even manage to get a demeaning tag!

 

[dark10x]

Actually, you're not a lame ass for that reply...as most people here would NEVER admit that they were somewhat wrong. That actually makes me respect your opinion a bit more. Seriously.

 

[Optimistic]

Well, in the FF series we have FFXI and the spinoff FFX-2, both of which have real-time battles, both of which are over a year old.

Those are TWO fucking games, out of how many? Hundreds. Accept that you were wrong for fuck's sake.

Yeah, I do recognize the flabby concepts you're trying to reference, but I don't accept them. Haven't you ever read Orwell's classic essay Politics and the English Language ? Sloppy use of language leads to sloppy thinking.

No I haven't, but if I did I wouldn't let someone else think for me and just adopt their viewpoint, as you clearly have. And if my language is sloppy, so is yours. This is a messageboard, you're taking this "sloppy language" thing way to far. In conversation certain things are implied. Understand this, move on.

Oh and don't bother replying, I've put you on my ignore list.

 

[shpankey]

No I haven't, but if I did I wouldn't let someone else think for me and just adopt their viewpoint, as you clearly have. And if my language is sloppy, so is yours. This is a messageboard, you're taking this "sloppy language" thing way to far. In conversation certain things are implied. Understand this, move on.

Good points, and nice pwnag3. heh