Went and played the PES demo for a few matches, then came back to the FIFA demo...tactical defending is a good thing. It acknowledges the real life fact that defense isn't all about dispossessing, it's also about making your opponent pass where he doesn't want to, slow his runs, and make mistakes.
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FIFA 12 - Previews, Updates, Impressions, et cetera
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Awesome Animals
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So, I don't know if this is a bug or not, but I think I figured out something. If you hold the b button, after you make the tackle attempt you can run to the guy with the ball to initate the chasing push and pull mechanism. I would imagine this aspect was designed to read the distance between you and the guy with the ball and only tackle if you tapped, and didn't press the button. I hope this is something that is fixed if it was indeed designed that way.
I'm far from being an expert at the defending in this game, but during the tutorials when I was pressing RB to make my team mate "contain", sometimes he just steamed right in and tackled. Sometimes he stood off. The description says if I'm also containing he will contain, but that seemed wrong.
If I was jockeying when I pressed RB, THEN he would contain. Weird and conflicting but these kind of things will get ironed out.
Anyway I found myself getting more accustomed to the defense mechanics. I started off trying to contain all the time and press tackle when close because this was similar to the old mechanic - but I found myself not getting anywhere near the ball.
Then I changed it to the following and this is where things started to click.
When the opposition is passing it about in midfield, they often pass too quickly to use contain or to keep pressing with the myriad options, so here's where you slow it down and concentrate on selecting the right player and using jockey to follow the ball around midfield. Under certain situations you use RB to press so for example if the opponent works the ball to the winger and I'm controlling my CM with jockey, this is where I would press RB to make my winger close in and I'd close in on the other side with jockey - forcing them backwards or into making a mistake.
If they start running sideways with the ball trying to make space, I use running jockey to keep up or switch players.
If they start to dribble at me and try to beat me, that's where I use contain.
I'm sure some more advanced techniques and tutorials will come out at some stage. But despite there feeling like loads to do, yo just gotta learn the one or two things you do in each situation and apply.
Of course I may be completely wrong, but it felt ok in my last game.
If I was jockeying when I pressed RB, THEN he would contain. Weird and conflicting but these kind of things will get ironed out.
Anyway I found myself getting more accustomed to the defense mechanics. I started off trying to contain all the time and press tackle when close because this was similar to the old mechanic - but I found myself not getting anywhere near the ball.
Then I changed it to the following and this is where things started to click.
When the opposition is passing it about in midfield, they often pass too quickly to use contain or to keep pressing with the myriad options, so here's where you slow it down and concentrate on selecting the right player and using jockey to follow the ball around midfield. Under certain situations you use RB to press so for example if the opponent works the ball to the winger and I'm controlling my CM with jockey, this is where I would press RB to make my winger close in and I'd close in on the other side with jockey - forcing them backwards or into making a mistake.
If they start running sideways with the ball trying to make space, I use running jockey to keep up or switch players.
If they start to dribble at me and try to beat me, that's where I use contain.
I'm sure some more advanced techniques and tutorials will come out at some stage. But despite there feeling like loads to do, yo just gotta learn the one or two things you do in each situation and apply.
Of course I may be completely wrong, but it felt ok in my last game.
Awesome Animals
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sneaky77 said:
That's what I'm talking about, but the control for it is finnicky. Usually when I try to attempt that, my defender attempts to tackle first. But if you hold the button down after the tackle, and switch player you can initiate the shirt tug without attempting the tackle first. It is hard to explain what I mean, I hope as people play more they will see what I mean.
I think this mechanic needs to be tweaked a bit, because it is very hard to initate the shirt tug because instead it makes your player tackle.
EDIT: Actually, when you are chasing a player, you will notice your defender put his hand out to reach for the man with the ball. This is the indication that you can initiate the chase mechanics of shirt tugging and pushing. It is a very subtle indicator, but it is there.
sneaky77 said:
Please teach me how you defend against early cross without doing so.
As my central defenders will never attempt to defend the cross, no matter what team I play with. If the winger get pass the back then early cross, it's guaranteed header unless I manually position my defender right in front of him to steal the header.
Although I tend to play smaller team in region of 60-7X rather than those big teams, I have yet to experience any differences.
The new defensive system is a HUGE improvement. It feels so much better (even if they just borrowed it from last year's PES). Now that the homing system is out, players don't hang all over each other any more as far as I can see and the game feels a lot more fluid. Transistions for subs also seem faster. But other than that, so much of the game feels the same... If the new defensive system is required for ranked matches, I'm in - if it's optional, I'll skip.
Unfortunately the offside advantage rule (or lack of) is still present from its FIFA 11 incarnation. If you have a player offside the whistle is blown immediately after the ball is kicked in his general direction regardless of what happens afterwards. I was hoping this would be fixed after fifa 11 
I took some pics from the X360 demo
Also a video. One of very few goals that I scored in the demo lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08M-kY7KmFU
Also a video. One of very few goals that I scored in the demo lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08M-kY7KmFU
I found it janky, unresponsive and outdated compared to the new PES demo, the gap between the two games for the first time since the ps2 days, seems massive to me.
Even in the visual side of things where it's supposed to excel, while sharp it just looks so lacking of charm, ugly at times (stretched jersey logos, players that look like aliens disguised as humans, fluorescent bright filter, uncanny valley) and the animations seem marginally better than PES's if better at all, maybe my memory is playing tricks but I think they were downgraded from previous years, since PES's didn't get improved and FIFA's looked better to me than PES's last year.
PES new A.I.'s on the pitch movement by itself makes this game seem stuck a generation behind and hard to take seriously.
Plus there's still no feeling of weight or conection to the ingame action on this one. Everything just seems to happen because it was programed to, not because it should, if that makes sense. It's not kinectic or organic.
I did like some aspects of the presentation, the nets, the fast
moving keepers when holding the ball in their hands and how HD or crisp the pitch and action looked on the gameplay camera.
Even in the visual side of things where it's supposed to excel, while sharp it just looks so lacking of charm, ugly at times (stretched jersey logos, players that look like aliens disguised as humans, fluorescent bright filter, uncanny valley) and the animations seem marginally better than PES's if better at all, maybe my memory is playing tricks but I think they were downgraded from previous years, since PES's didn't get improved and FIFA's looked better to me than PES's last year.
PES new A.I.'s on the pitch movement by itself makes this game seem stuck a generation behind and hard to take seriously.
Plus there's still no feeling of weight or conection to the ingame action on this one. Everything just seems to happen because it was programed to, not because it should, if that makes sense. It's not kinectic or organic.
I did like some aspects of the presentation, the nets, the fast
moving keepers when holding the ball in their hands and how HD or crisp the pitch and action looked on the gameplay camera.
Awesome Animals
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shoplifter
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Letters said:
Pretty much agree with this. I'm sure I'll end up buying and playing both, but it's looking like PES will be getting most of my playtime again this year.
Saren is Bad
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Holy shit, am I retarded or did they change passing again? All of my players seem to have no clue how to pass to the person I'm telling them to. Xavi is in the middle ready to start an attack? Nah pass it all the way to Abidal instead. Like what the fuck
Mascot said:
Yeh, it has the potential to completely ruin online play. I know that new penalty system introduced in wc2010 is completely impossible when you have a bit of latency....I foresee the same issue here
Will have to resort to unranked / legacy tackling if this is the case
That's not true at all, what system are you on? If your player is offside it gets blown if the ball goes in his vicinity (ie even if he doesn't touch it) which is a strict interpretation of the rule but fair enough.Yerolo said:Unfortunately the offside advantage rule (or lack of) is still present from its FIFA 11 incarnation. If you have a player offside the whistle is blown immediately after the ball is kicked in his general direction regardless of what happens afterwards. I was hoping this would be fixed after fifa 11
I've seen goals given where people have been offside but faraway enough from the ball.
My worry about FIFA this year is the defending is so different and so inaccessible that I worry a lot of the more casual crowd will be lost. They just won't take the time and effort to learn this, checking guides and experimenting etc.
Sure you can change in the options but how is that gonna effect clubs and online games? We'll see I guess.
Be interesting to see if the pros like Rooney and Wilshere will still be all over this.
Sure you can change in the options but how is that gonna effect clubs and online games? We'll see I guess.
Be interesting to see if the pros like Rooney and Wilshere will still be all over this.
I tried the demo and I like what I see and play. My only big complaints are lag input in shooting and some floaty feeling to the game. The shooting lag sucks, really. There's some pass lag as well, which I also hate. The floating feeling is anoying, but nothing big. These are the only things are better done on PES. I'll be playing more.
ANybody knows how to unlock the time limit for the PC demo?
ANybody knows how to unlock the time limit for the PC demo?
kaizoku said:
This is on PC and maybe I have been unlucky with the random nature of the advantage rule but to me the system seems more like fifa 11 than fifa 10 and below....lots of times I have seen instances where the advantage could be played but called back because of an offside player the ball wouldnt have even reached
SuicidalSteve
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It could be just me or anyone else noticed that the 360 demo is crisper and sharper than the ps3 demo? I may be having a noob moment though that it could be to do with my tv settings mind you
StriKeVillain
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Just played a couple of the games in the PC demo. I'm pretty pleased with what was delivered. Defense will take some time to get used to but offense felt fantastic. I can't lie, weaving in and out with Iniesta and Messi is great fun.
I'll load up the 360 demo as soon as the girlfriend leaves for work.
I'll load up the 360 demo as soon as the girlfriend leaves for work.
Broder Salsa
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shinnn said:I took some pics from the X360 demo
That blur effect messing up hair is annoying me way too much. Other than that the players looks pretty fantastic.
Mr. Luchador
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liger05 said:
Well, that sounds fine to me, considering you're only suppose to tackle when the ball is away from the attackers feet. If he's keeping it close, than you'll just have to wait, and try to show him away from goal, or force him into a covering defender.
Joel Was Right
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Awesome Animals said:
I will not rest till I master these
wtf, you can press 'back' to control the GK at any time. . .lol
it's an ok demo, not feeling as much enthusiasm for fifa this year though, played about 3 games, cbf playing anymore though.
and can't believe they haven't added at least something to the celebrations, they still suck asss, takes all the fun out of scoring.
it's an ok demo, not feeling as much enthusiasm for fifa this year though, played about 3 games, cbf playing anymore though.
and can't believe they haven't added at least something to the celebrations, they still suck asss, takes all the fun out of scoring.
Joel Was Right
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I am so bad at defending/getting the ball back. Need to practice hard
iNvid02
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this was my goal, shots feel so much more satisfying this time round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOdNHVXPczY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOdNHVXPczY
Facism
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3rd fifa game in a row and the friendly defence AI is still completely fucking shocking. Flat-footed, lacking in basic defensive principles of zonal and man marking, whilst the other team AI is perfect and closes, marks and generally harasses you well.
Wrapping my head around tactical defending, but feels like they've just added a load of bloat and hassle to how defending used to work (or does work if you change the settings).
going to give it a miss this year.
Wrapping my head around tactical defending, but feels like they've just added a load of bloat and hassle to how defending used to work (or does work if you change the settings).
going to give it a miss this year.
Awesome Animals
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Chriswok said:
Which is the point. What is more, is you don't necessarily need to press the tackle button, as much as let go of the contain ('a' on 360) which will allow the player to get the ball if you're close enough. Honestly, the defending system isn't that bad, or hard; it just takes some practice to delete old habits, and learn the new system.
Meus Renaissance said:
Already done
Messi said:
I'll be pissed if, at the very least, Darren Bent doesn't have the proper model. I see that they still don't have Villa Park in the game...