Thomasorus
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3 matchs in a 10 minutes video with combos and stuff : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6ghGitgjwyTL4bxCte?start=0 (if the video doesn't work, deactivate adblock)
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Fighting Games Weekly | June 8-14 | We played a lot of SG and VF for some reason
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Nah breh. A beginner in CS: GO will get mauled by a high level player. Same with LoL, same with DOTA, same with Starcraft. In fact I'd say that you have even less of a chance of attaining victory in those games vs FG's because there is no comeback factor that favors the loser. Exception being that you're a newbie in a team full of high level players.
If you're talking about teaching the game to new players though, then I most definitely agree with you haha.
That's not going to work because you will get the parry whiff animation.
If you could do that then the parry would be broken.
Now what I want to know is if you press throw plus parry what comes out? I think that might be a potential OS (press 4 buttons when guessing between an attack or throw) if you can press 4 buttons to get throw tech when throw and a parry when not thrown.
ShinMaruku
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I agree. So people should not ask for R Mika she's a booty character.
You give the fgc of 2013 too much credit. All they wanted was SF4.
Capcom pls give us the booty. Why do you not give us the booty?!
Input Shortcuts are still in
https://twitter.com/unastrike/status/609061223733198848
https://twitter.com/unastrike/status/609061223733198848
skLaFarebear
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Lab Zero knows what we want.
Thomasorus
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KidA Seven
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Someone gif the Nash combo from IGN's video. It's towards the end.
BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Another game of getting DP after doing low MK into Fireball.
Quick thoughts:
Bison not having Psycho Crusher is kind of weird but honestly I'm totally for drastic changes of characters we know and love. It's a different game, different time, and SFIV is still fresh in our heads. Plus it's not like Bison looks any less BIson.
UI is clean and very readable, I'm liking it. Only thing I'd like is probably individualized colours for the character portraits and perhaps some way to increment the health bar, whether like MKX or SFIV. Stun gauge is a nice addition and I like the little effect when you are stunned.
Gameplay has seen a noticeably speed improvement. Still a bit more hitstop than SFIV, but the gameplay looks super kinetic while still being impactful. Seeing Chun-Li doing that (new?) jump attack move looks particularly impactful.
Mechanically, I'm liking what we see thus far. Encouraging a use of character-specific abilities to earn character-specific installs is pretty on the money, but those have to be well balanced because I think they'll be super influential in how good characters are. Not X-Factor influential, but enough so that a character with a shitty V-Skill (whether in utility or how much bar it gives you) will have trouble activating V-Trigger consistently which seems like a big game changer. V-Skills are pretty much Focus Attacks now, but a bit more varied in utility from character-to-character so I wonder how that will shake out or we'll get the same backlash as Ultras did. I'm also totally fine with V-Reversals considering their cost and the meter they take from.
Bison not having Psycho Crusher is kind of weird but honestly I'm totally for drastic changes of characters we know and love. It's a different game, different time, and SFIV is still fresh in our heads. Plus it's not like Bison looks any less BIson.
UI is clean and very readable, I'm liking it. Only thing I'd like is probably individualized colours for the character portraits and perhaps some way to increment the health bar, whether like MKX or SFIV. Stun gauge is a nice addition and I like the little effect when you are stunned.
Gameplay has seen a noticeably speed improvement. Still a bit more hitstop than SFIV, but the gameplay looks super kinetic while still being impactful. Seeing Chun-Li doing that (new?) jump attack move looks particularly impactful.
Mechanically, I'm liking what we see thus far. Encouraging a use of character-specific abilities to earn character-specific installs is pretty on the money, but those have to be well balanced because I think they'll be super influential in how good characters are. Not X-Factor influential, but enough so that a character with a shitty V-Skill (whether in utility or how much bar it gives you) will have trouble activating V-Trigger consistently which seems like a big game changer. V-Skills are pretty much Focus Attacks now, but a bit more varied in utility from character-to-character so I wonder how that will shake out or we'll get the same backlash as Ultras did. I'm also totally fine with V-Reversals considering their cost and the meter they take from.
I agree. So people should not ask for R Mika she's a booty character.
You give the fgc of 2013 too much credit. All they wanted was SF4.
I disagree entirely. A big reason SFxTK failed was because of the wide variety of good games realized around that timeframe. Launch SFxTK had major pacing problems and a huge backlash from its marketing/DLC practices.
This seems to be a universal problem in other fighters as well, even those without input shortcuts. KOFXIII and 3S, for example have that same problem. It comes from holding forward and then immediately going into cr.mk xx fireball without going back to neutral on your stick/pad first.
Hellshingu
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That uses a lot of bars. Two EX bars and both from the V-Gauge. Looks awesome though.
That might actually be possible.
irfaanator
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dont know how I feel about normals doing chip damage, but liking what I see
Uh, if you're inputting the DF DF shortcut during that string your execution is really sloppy. If anything that should only happen after walking forward because of the normal DP motion.
by god that nash combo in the ign video.... sf is anime as fuck and i love it
wouldnt it take too long for the person to charge a fireball to go ahead and get the guard crush?
wouldnt it take too long for the person to charge a fireball to go ahead and get the guard crush?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Crouch techs out too?
Did they design this game based off MikeZ suggestions or some shit
Did they design this game based off MikeZ suggestions or some shit
That Dude John
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take this webm: http://i.imgur.com/1eXewbM.webm
I'm pretty sure I saw dude do uppercut > V-Trigger on block.
Well thats a good way to shit all over the positives. Crouch dp's. YAY I LOVE THOSE
Not the best gif quality, but yeah shits awesome
He uses one meter and his whole v-bar?!
Happens very frequently when you do low forward by walking forward and holding d/f while crouching. There is no way a DP should come out from a crouching position but with that shortcut it happens.
It's not a problem in Omega SF4.
Someone gotta tell them to limit this to non reversal moves only.
Yup.
Virtua Fighter has a great solution for this, tapping guard lets you manually clear the buffer so you never have to worry about input overlap.
ShinMaruku
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CS:Go, LoL and DOTA and DFO also have much more massive player bases (DFO much more so than the others combined probably 400 million accounts what the fuck) than fighting games and as a result has more of a gradient of players were the new ones will more likely get people to play and the other games also have better tutorials than the fgc dreams of having.
I think the implication is that you can cancel a DP and make it safe with V trigger.
skLaFarebear
Member
Wow I didn't even know about that DF DF shortcut. I just did a crouching Fukiage with Makoto. That's super weird.
This is really confusing.
DP motion is F, D, DF. Fireball is QCF. F, QCF will give you a DP in pretty much every fighting game ever. F, DF, F does not get you a fireball in any game with QCF fireball motions.
I don't understand how the shortcut is the problem here.
Edit: Are you saying that you hold DF when you cr.MK? Because that's completely pointless and I would go back to my you have really sloppy execution argument if that's the case.
do you really think dfo has a better pvp tutorial than any fighting game
like, do you earnestly believe that with all your heart
ShinMaruku
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DFO makes you level to become familiar with your moves. They don't just throw you out there with a battlemage and tell you "Learn da game lol" Also DFO has a much smoother player skill gradient due to it being so fucking huge.
That Dude John
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Nah, I lied. I looked at it again. I think that was just Ryu's crouching HP.
It's not the shortcut. All fighters have this same problem.
I don't know how Omega mode handled it, but since SFV is taking many cues from Omega mode, it may be possible that they take the solution from there as well.
Dont scare us like that man!
The input is :
d/f, d, d/f, f
This will give you a DP because of the short cut. You walk forward and do cr.MK (as d/f+MK) into Fireball then you get DP.
To avoid this you have to walk forward, hold d/b then go to forward from there to make sure you don't get the DP.
these people actually knew whats up. finally
Yeah I just edited my post because I realized what you were saying. Uh, don't do that!
Just to clear this up, are you arguing that a new play should be able to beat a high level player or that FG's should have better tutorials and teaching guides?
i'd argue that the pve system does very little in aligning with the pvp system so the familiarity is almost entirely wasted beyond "this move has this range". it's actually less effective than someone playing against the computer in any fighting game because the traits of moves don't even carry over to fighting a human opponent
Hellshingu
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He uses 2 meter
Emperor Bohe
Member
these 2 things are also what i'm not feeling
Easier said than done when walking back and forward. Even Daigo gets that random DP sometimes.
DFO has a nonexistent PvP tutorial. Come on now son.
El Sabroso
Member
they had to remove it on Claw's Mask/Claw removal, just by walking forward and backwards and then crouching LP, gave you the DP motion, it was hella annoying in that case
I'm not saying it's not an issue, I'm saying that if you stop at DF long enough that you wouldn't get a DP in any other game then there's literally nothing lost by going to DB instead.
It's not a shortcut issue, it's an execution issue that every FG player has been dealing with forever.