MiniBossBattle
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Yes. He shares games he loves and his passion gets other people to at least get into them. He used to do COD games and then fighting games. A friend of mine was a CS/COD guy then started playing MvC/SF because of Max.
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Yes. He shares games he loves and his passion gets other people to at least get into them. He used to do COD games and then fighting games. A friend of mine was a CS/COD guy then started playing MvC/SF because of Max.
If he's not at the tournament - why is it a big deal? Especially if he's not streaming a fighting game? Would anyone be upset if Justin Wong streamed a MKX training session while an asian SF4 tournament he wasn't at was going on?
He'll send one of his Jeebies to do it.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";163101730]I can do it entirely in my stream personality and show off more of my intense distaste for these people.[/QUOTE]
Can you Shuma Gorap it?
Can you Shuma Gorap it?
MiniBossBattle
Member
Today we are all Jeebies. I would watch this GB stream.
Shouta
Member
So, this might be a decent time to bring it up. Evo is about 2 months away now and I'm going to secure some tickets for Q and Nic. Nic's busy in Arizona until Thursday or so which means he'll be making it to Vegas himself on but would like if we got him a flight back. That basically reduces the cost of funding Q pretty nicely.
I've found a deal on Southwest that flights directly from Sacramento, which is an option for Q to go to for like 350 round trip. Nic's return flight on the same plane would be about 141 or so.
I'm going to schedule Q's flight so I can pick him up at the airport like last year to help him to the hotel. Nic's not gonna be there so I'll help him out unless any other GAFfer is coming Thurs morning at 10am or so to help me the two of us, lol.
Sheet is here right now
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CaY-ivbUOZpjdHwDw0ZLATnMDIWTfNMfNbYwzWwBvEg/edit#gid=0
I've found a deal on Southwest that flights directly from Sacramento, which is an option for Q to go to for like 350 round trip. Nic's return flight on the same plane would be about 141 or so.
I'm going to schedule Q's flight so I can pick him up at the airport like last year to help him to the hotel. Nic's not gonna be there so I'll help him out unless any other GAFfer is coming Thurs morning at 10am or so to help me the two of us, lol.
Sheet is here right now
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CaY-ivbUOZpjdHwDw0ZLATnMDIWTfNMfNbYwzWwBvEg/edit#gid=0
SolarKnight
Member
Also he goes to and participates in Evo every year. Pretty sure that counts for something.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Lol I was just about to say thanks again to the people that help with this.
And maybe doing rimes too
I would donate $50 to watch GB go in an Italian meal, jeebe nation!
Shouta
Member
I'll probably try and book it in the next few days for both of you. I just need Nic to email me so I can let him know the plan, lol.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
He said to call or shoot him a text. pm your email to me otherwise
pl just posted his response. good os there, carl.
http://theperfectlegend.com/2015/05/07/misunderstood/
http://theperfectlegend.com/2015/05/07/misunderstood/
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Honestly, PL just seems a bit stressed. Though I've heard he has done stuff like this before so idk
Okay Perfect Legend, you say you weren't "salty", but #5 certainly came across that way, and I can't see it being spun as endearment either
DryEyeRelief
Member
His passion happens to coincide with new game releases. And new game releases give higher viewer count, apparently. A love for netherealm studios/midway games developed right before MKX's release, as well as a higher tolerance for shitty netcode.
What's Guilty Gear? Super Smash Bros for the Wii U? Never heard of it.
Like it's hard to take this comment seriously when you have speedrunners streaming old ass games, that aren't part of some sort of marketing hype engine. Or people who still stream UMvC3, a game you're a big fan of. I know Max is a big fan of that game. When was the last time he streamed that game?
You're the one saying he's the gateway drug to fighting games before you tackle the rest of the fgc. Then obviously it does matter when he's not acting as a gateway.
That's a false equivalency. You're talking about youtube personalities who are about pushing their brand as an entertainer. The game is just the topic of conversation. When Max streams concurrently, the fighting games, or the fgc aren't part of the conversation anymore. His doods will follow his new bandwagon. Or why should they watch a tournament for MKX if Max is doing a CPU boss rage at the same time?
Cosign.
People dropping or picking back up a game due to nerfs/buffs is ridiculous
I find most of the people that say things like this generally aren't that competitive with the game though and tbh at the level most people are at character strength doesn't matter too much anyways.
Does being in the FGC mean that you only play fighting games? That you must support every event by not "streaming" against it? Can you play fighting games a lot, have some fans that watch those streams, and then play Chrono Trigger and have fans that watch that too? Hell, multitwitch.tv exists for a reason. Pretty easy to watch multiple streams. Heck - maybe having people who crossover into other games might expose folks to FGs that normally wouldn't. Must he be a gateway 24/7?
That's not a false equivalency at all. ChrisG streams LoL - he might stream it during a tournament. If Aris streams himself playing FF15 when it comes out because he likes the game, does that make him impure all of a sudden? You're holding Max to a higher standard because he hasn't "proven" himself; which is a load of crap. Someone who plays 10-20 hours of FGs a week on a consistent basis online and creates videos about said games would be considered a member of any other game's community. There's no purity test for being a member of the FGC.
EDIT: My apologies for being a little frustrated - but I don't like this idea that people have to pass some kind of purity test in order to be a "member" of the FGC. The FGC is a community of people who like fighting games and play them. They don't have to play competitively, or think in a hive mind, or not have other interests, or have Fighting Games be in part of a rotation of games to play. We wonder why the FGC sort of sits stagnant and doesn't grow and is pretty immature for a community - I think having an elitist view on what constitutes a FGC member accounts for a large part of that.
MiniBossBattle
Member
I didn't mean to rustle your Jeebies DyeEyeRelief.
I dunno, people move on from one new fighting game(or any game) to the next. Its fun and its fine. I just find it weird to complain on what he is creating/streaming vs what he is not. I don't have an XBO or KI but that doesn't mean its not fun to see the game and its mechanic. I learn something and am entertained.
Just trying to find the silver lining on the issue/frustrations (still not sure what you guys want streamers to do)on this topic.
I dunno, people move on from one new fighting game(or any game) to the next. Its fun and its fine. I just find it weird to complain on what he is creating/streaming vs what he is not. I don't have an XBO or KI but that doesn't mean its not fun to see the game and its mechanic. I learn something and am entertained.
Just trying to find the silver lining on the issue/frustrations (still not sure what you guys want streamers to do)on this topic.
What happened? I missed it...
And yes, Aris is the best, by far my favorite Twitch streamer
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";163099816]Ok all my GB's Jeebies, convo puts up a great question here. I'm glad everyone has such an interest in the streaming community. Before I get into it, I'd like to remind everybody that today's stream is brought to you by NeoGAF dot com, it's a great website for following the news in videogames. If you like that sort of stuff, I highly recommend checking it out. By the way, GBlovr57, thanks for the sub, I see you there in the chat! Anyway, Neogaf is a real family, right? And families watch out for each other. So for today only, I've got a coupon code for 15% off GAF Gold subs. I got you guys. It's all about the community. Speaking of community, I'm at 35% right now on my "I really want to buy The Witcher 3" patreon account. You guys wanna see me stream it, I wanna stream it, let's make it happen. It's all a community effort guys.
Anyway, that's it for Today with GB, thanks for the question Convo, and to all my GB's Jeebies, thanks for staying fans.[/QUOTE]
This is too perfect, I even pictured the annoying ass gif popping up accompanied by an ungodly loud sound when GBlovr57 subbed.
Anyway, that's it for Today with GB, thanks for the question Convo, and to all my GB's Jeebies, thanks for staying fans.[/QUOTE]
This is too perfect, I even pictured the annoying ass gif popping up accompanied by an ungodly loud sound when GBlovr57 subbed.
Lost to a Ferra Torr player, and just went super salty about the connection. Was demanding ping tests etc and bitching him out in chat. Valle called him up on the phone and everything. First it seemed like he was kidding around, but if he was he ran with it.
go look for his wnf vod on his channel and find his match vs tha_kool_kid. the salt was glorious.
call_kotaku
Member
In a lot of ways I feel like this "you're not a true member of the FGC unless you _____" is probably one of the key things that's hurting the growth of the community. Giving people more ways of engaging with the genre outside of just playing competitively feels like it should be the top priority for everyone involved, even if growth for growth's sake (esports) isn't a universal good.
lol he gets really salty playing online. He gets salty playing TTT2 online and it's netcode is miles better than MKX's
will do, thanks
There are streamers who can get viewers purely based on being good at the game, but that's not a hard and fast rule. Twitch is about entertainment. It's highly personality-driven.
Perfect Legend is like dean malenko/bret hart whereas Max/Gootecks/Mike Ross would be more like the rock or stone cold steve austin. The first group is known for being highly skilled, but not necessarily known for personality. The second group is known for having strong personalities which overshadows the not-so-great skills in the ring.
Justin is like a macho man randy savage or chris jericho who are very strong in both aspects. There is room for every type of broadcaster on twitch, but the entertainers tend to get the most views.
Perfect Legend is like dean malenko/bret hart whereas Max/Gootecks/Mike Ross would be more like the rock or stone cold steve austin. The first group is known for being highly skilled, but not necessarily known for personality. The second group is known for having strong personalities which overshadows the not-so-great skills in the ring.
Justin is like a macho man randy savage or chris jericho who are very strong in both aspects. There is room for every type of broadcaster on twitch, but the entertainers tend to get the most views.
and aris is mankind
How? When it's not your main game, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
And I disagree about the character strength bit. There are certain characters where that holds true, but others where it totally doesnt. Since this is Xrd we're talking about, Elphelt is a perfect example of this. Her strength is apparent at all levels of play.
There's nothing "wrong" with it, but forgive me for seeing it as superficial. If it's not your "main" game or you're not serious about being good at the game, the strength of the character should matter even less.
Yes
StriKeVillain
Banned
Any GAFers gonna be at Texas Showdown?
I'll be there Saturday - would be cool to meet some folks.
I'll be there Saturday - would be cool to meet some folks.
chriskun
Member
This whole conversation reminds me of the "you're a poser" mentality of the early 90's grunge era. Pretty fucking immature.
My excitement for a game increases if my character gets new toys to work with but can't really say my interests will get renewed if I happened to drop the game at some point.
You can play casually and still want the best chance of winning when you do play. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Saying he was "misunderstood" was bullshit. There was nothing to misunderstand in that email, it was all stated pretty clearly.
Either apologize all the way or don't apologize at all.
Karsticles
Member
I agree with Kimo on this one. If you only engage in casual play, the difference in character strength is rarely large enough for you to need to tier whore.
Juicebox_FGC
Member
Depending on who you talk to, when they say FGC they may be referring to one of two different things.
1) The competitive community. Offline tournament players.
2) All people who play fighting games.
My experience is that a lot of strong players and content creators are usually referring to group 1 when they say "FGC", and when they want to grow the "FGC", that's what they hope for (though it's obvious that group 2 needs to grow before group 1 can).
Also, as mentioned earlier, I do agree that sometimes Max's reactions can seem forced/exaggerated in some of his YT vids, but his streams are usually just him being really down-to-earth and playing casually with his friends, which is probably why they're fun to watch. You can tell max genuinely enjoys the stuff he plays.
And I don't think PL is really justified in his frustration towards Max. Streaming isn't about being really good at a game, it's about entertaining, and Max is a great entertainer. And his comment about Max getting free money is bullshit, because Max works his ass off producing content in addition to the streams.
And I don't think PL is really justified in his frustration towards Max. Streaming isn't about being really good at a game, it's about entertaining, and Max is a great entertainer. And his comment about Max getting free money is bullshit, because Max works his ass off producing content in addition to the streams.
.la1n
Member
Honestly I would have respected a simple "I was frustrated and f*cked up" a lot more. We've all done it.
I agree with him for most games, but not with Xrd.
You don't like street fighter 4 but when you do play you pick blanka. If a patch came out and blanka received significant buffs, do you think you'd mess around and check them out?
Lostconfused
Member
Yeah this is not true at all. People don't like to lose, even whatever minor perceived slights and nerfs will create real or imagined problems. Now that doesn't mean that on a casual level these problems are not solvable with more time and practice, but tier lists do matter even if it is just psychological.
Juicebox:
In one of our previous conversations, you made a comment regarding Xrd that's stuck with me. You called it too "specific". I've thought a lot about what you could possibly mean by that to not much avail. Would you mind going into more detail in regards to that?
I don't want to come across as an annoyance but would you mind humoring me?
I don't think anyone is saying that "tier lists don't matter". For whom they actually matter is a small subset of the pool of fighting game players.
To me, this is clearly one of those circumstances where you should have the proper perspective in clear focus, regarding what you ultimately want from the game you're playing.
In one of our previous conversations, you made a comment regarding Xrd that's stuck with me. You called it too "specific". I've thought a lot about what you could possibly mean by that to not much avail. Would you mind going into more detail in regards to that?
I don't want to come across as an annoyance but would you mind humoring me?
I don't think anyone is saying that "tier lists don't matter". For whom they actually matter is a small subset of the pool of fighting game players.
To me, this is clearly one of those circumstances where you should have the proper perspective in clear focus, regarding what you ultimately want from the game you're playing.
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