DrROBschiz
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Well Ive been using him as Evade Tank, MP Battery, Revives, and give him materias as needed for whatever build i need
But yeah thats me personally and yes we have tons of useable setups
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Well Ive been using him as Evade Tank, MP Battery, Revives, and give him materias as needed for whatever build i need
But yeah thats me personally and yes we have tons of useable setups
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Muku
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Yes please. x_x That information would be good to have.
Also... I may have just deleted you last night Tak. I deleted all the folks that have been MIA for 100+ days. Ahh.
Hmmm ok. I think that's kind of why I enjoy this game so much. I was hitting a wall with the Ultros trial with Cecil and Snow as tanks, until I set up Noctis as an evade tank and beat it that way. Guess I'll have to be creative with the team I have.
Alkez
Member
I feel ya. It's definitely difficult to resist temptation, especially if you're having a bad day or something hasn't gone your way (I definitely pull more when I'm in a bad mood lol).
Congrats on the second kid though
Hippopuncher12
Member
Thanks man, and everyone else! I'm heavily contemplating going for another 2B because of that damn Katana. Probably a terrible idea.
As what Synsui said, there are better units that specializes on the roles that Noctis are able to do. I'm not saying Noctis is a bad unit as he's still a viable option as a support unit. But Noctis can't hold a candle against the current top tier support units like Rikku, Zarg, Lunera, Tilith and 9S.
Noctis has fallen out of the meta, but not nearly as bad as how Lightning fell.
Muku
Member
As an OTKO DPS there are much better units right now, especially as she doesn't have Imperil on any of her moves. The problem right now for A2 is that her main move doesn't chain (hopefully due to a bug).
Also, you'll need someone to Imperil, plus a finisher, and she takes multiple turns to get her warmed up, to fill and activate her LB, along with abilities that require multiple setup steps. She is best suited to be part of a full team of healers, support, and other dps.
Frys, Tidus, Orlandeau, DV, etc are better chainers, and you have FV, Olive, DKC, that are better finishers. She doesn't really specialize as a pure DPS.
The majority of her abilities are built around a longer battle; taunts, evades, counters, sacrificing allies to heal HP/MP, death evasion, attack moves that heal yourself, etc. Even her own TMR sword comes with extra defense.
Building her, and using her, as a glass canon is really not taking advantage of her. You can still get her to 1,400 ATK(with her LB) while surpassing 10K HP and a ton of DEF with A2; she can still wreak havok while being able to survive a long-drawn out battle.
I completely understand how you feel. I really do.
But if you're going to spend that lapis, you should probably just hold off for Onion Knight. He has a 520% 16-hit attack, with his incredible sword.
Two of him can do a 63-hit chain.
DrROBschiz
Member
ehhh
So out of that list I have Rikku and Noctis. And instead I paired them up. 9S/Rikku could oust them but you are skipping the details of team composition
Workload, Cost, and Setup have to be taken into consideration and Noctis provides a lot of tools in one slot while having MP to spare and freedom to act when needed.
Rikku does it better but at the time I had her turns locked down.
So yes everything you said is true but when Im building in my toolbox I certainly dont count him out
Zera_Bloodwinter
Member
I feel ya. It's definitely difficult to resist temptation, especially if you're having a bad day or something hasn't gone your way (I definitely pull more when I'm in a bad mood lol).
Congrats on the second kid though
I felt I'd get the win yesterday man, I felt it. Felt the way I felt when I pulled 2 Orlandu. Sadly it didn't turn out that way.
@Bonkeng, you're right bro. I must toughen my resolve. Second kid, new home, etc. Time to put my big boy pants on and stop wasting money.
I've been unclear about finisher elements for a while now, so correct me if I'm wrong about the statement below:
Finishers only have to have the same element as a chain if the finisher is dual wielding. A finisher with a different element than the chain will end the chain but still benefit from the multiplier. Thus, Olive can end any element chain but DW DKC should only finish dark chains because his first hit should come in the middle to make his second powerhouse hit land at the end. If the elements mismatch his first hit will break the chain prematurely and reduce the damage his second hit (and the rest of the chain) does.
Finishers only have to have the same element as a chain if the finisher is dual wielding. A finisher with a different element than the chain will end the chain but still benefit from the multiplier. Thus, Olive can end any element chain but DW DKC should only finish dark chains because his first hit should come in the middle to make his second powerhouse hit land at the end. If the elements mismatch his first hit will break the chain prematurely and reduce the damage his second hit (and the rest of the chain) does.
DrROBschiz
Member
If you are gonna finish with s single weild finisher then just be sure to try and cap the chain with is as far as timing goes since it will break the chain if the element doesnt match up
Alkez
Member
I care about it lol. I was working on a set for Noctis yesterday that I plan to use to replace Ramza if they do buff his LB. The main issue I'm having is the fact that Rikku needs Overdrive and Aileen needs Arm, so I need a different LB weapon or I'm going to have to use Rikkus TM to boost LB intake which I'm trying to avoid.
Yeah that makes sense. How does it work with non-elemental magic/pure physical? If I dualcast Alterna in the middle and end of a light chain does it convert the element chain to a generic one or break it entirely?
I'm seriously considering awakening DKC but my dark weapon options are so limited. I have one deathbringer and after that the only viable options are the 74 atk greatsword and the 65 atk axe. Maybe my chaining options are too inconsistent. My best chainers now are Orlandu and the two android ladies. I can sometimes get up to a 50-hit chain with all 3 of them but it's way too unreliable.
DrROBschiz
Member
Well based on what Synitsui said is sounds like you can still keep the chain as long as there IS an element?
Either way you want to cap the chain with a single weilder
As for you chaining issue you could at least just do duo Landu with a friend and cap with DKC
Hippopuncher12
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As an OTKO DPS there are much better units right now, especially as she doesn't have Imperil on any of her moves. The problem right now for A2 is that her main move doesn't chain (hopefully due to a bug).
Also, you'll need someone to Imperil, plus a finisher, and she takes multiple turns to get her warmed up, to fill and activate her LB, along with abilities that require multiple setup steps. She is best suited to be part of a full team of healers, support, and other dps.
Frys, Tidus, Orlandeau, DV, etc are better chainers, and you have FV, Olive, DKC, that are better finishers. She doesn't really specialize as a pure DPS.
The majority of her abilities are built around a longer battle; taunts, evades, counters, sacrificing allies to heal HP/MP, death evasion, attack moves that heal yourself, etc. Even her own TMR sword comes with extra defense.
Building her, and using her, as a glass canon is really not taking advantage of her. You can still get her to 1,400 ATK(with her LB) while surpassing 10K HP and a ton of DEF with A2; she can still wreak havok while being able to survive a long-drawn out battle.
I completely understand how you feel. I really do.
But if you're going to spend that lapis, you should probably just hold off for Onion Knight. He has a 520% 16-hit attack, with his incredible sword.
Two of him can do a 63-hit chain.
I know! But I was going to save after Nier! This was my last go for the rainbow banner (unless another limited one shows up) until the 3% rate.
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
You don't need OK. I don't need OK.
You'll get him in 2018 off-banner with the rainbow rate up, like me and DV.
True, I'm just getting greedy trying to include 2B and A2. Maybe I'll give them an entirely different element (probably light) and chain them separately from a 2 Orlandu + DKC dark chain.
I do agree that she's more suited to long drawn out fights. But I don't think you can build A2 as a glass canon even if you tried. My atk geared A2 is already at 415 def and 5.5k hp without a single pot.
That's why imo, A2 doesn't need to the extra def/hp over atk materia as she's already beefy enough. Damage will be more important to her specially if OHC is fixed. But maybe there'll be a trial that requires 10k+ hp to survive, then I can see a def/hp geared A2 as the better option.
That's why I said Noctis hasn't completely fallen out of the meta yet. He can still be used in any teams, thanks to his kit. And Noctis is still the Arena King.
Different elements will only break the element chain but the regular chain will still continue. Both examples you gave will not break the chain no matter what elements are in play.
Umm, elements doesn't break chains. Frames break chains.
For example, 3 Orlandus equipped with Dandelga, Excalibur and Deathbringer will still chain normally for 41 hits, but not element chain.
3 Orlandus all with Exacaliburs with the wrong timing will break the chain somewhere.
Is it pretty easy to chain 2 Orlandeau and get both DKC hits in it? Not sure if the wife should enhance Agrias to go with her DKC, since she's using Setzer + Yun to chain right now and it's pretty tough to get just the second hit in their fast chain.
Hippo staaaaaahp
Only one hit unfortunately, at least with the berserk buff because it delays the hits for some reason.
Dont know about Oldmandlu. But with 2 Tidus its easy to get both DKC Soul Eaters in.
Loving to see DKC 2nd hit doing >3m damage to raid boss. Obviously to chain 2 Tidus you need either really fast fingers or just use magnifying gesture
.@TheBigKahuna Thanks, your 2B served well!
lol you also need a Tidus or two! That's who I use, but the only 5* chainer my wife has is Yun. Wasn't sure if enhanced Agrias would be any better for DKC finisher, since I don't have him or Orlandeau/DV to test it on my account.Dont know about Oldmandlu. But with 2 Tidus its easy to get both DKC Soul Eaters in.
Loving to see DKC 2nd hit doing >3m damage to raid boss. Obviously to chain 2 Tidus you need either really fast fingers or just use magnifying gesture
@TheBigKahuna Thanks, your 2B served well!
indigo-cyclops
Member
Is and has been for a while. Even when it's not discounted all that much.
Don't buy lapis so I can't comment on that.
2B is pretty good. Great for beginners with her built in dual wield. She can chain, but it's less reliable than the best chainers and her imperil is locked behind another move. Her best moveset is a long cycle of abilities that unlock other abilities so it's a fair bit more fiddly than most other DPS units. I'm not sure how well she chains with other characters. She's limited so you will eventually see her less and less as a friend unit. She's going to be good for a while but eventually will be dropped from the meta I think. Enhancements may change that. If you have her already, be glad. If not, don't pull for her unless you are a whale. The real prize of the banner is 9S anyway.
It seems I can't get past 18m damage with my set up :/
If I had one more Machine Killer or at least one of the Friend units had Orlandu/DV with Dark and Holy weapons I could probably get around 20m damage but not much more than that.
Edit: Looks like I made a mistake equipping Excalibur on DKC, he isn't really benefiting from the holy imperil at all, just tried it with him finishing with only Dark weapons and he did much more damage, I did more than 20m with a very badly equipped friend Orlandu. As soon as the list refresh I'll try again with a proper one.
If I had one more Machine Killer or at least one of the Friend units had Orlandu/DV with Dark and Holy weapons I could probably get around 20m damage but not much more than that.
Edit: Looks like I made a mistake equipping Excalibur on DKC, he isn't really benefiting from the holy imperil at all, just tried it with him finishing with only Dark weapons and he did much more damage, I did more than 20m with a very badly equipped friend Orlandu. As soon as the list refresh I'll try again with a proper one.
You really don't need OK with the units already have, but if you're going after a second 2B for her katana, you might get more bang for your buck with OK (and his 135 atk sword). Especially given the probability on this dual 5* banner.
But again, you really don't him. Probably a redundant unit for you.
Yeah, there is a middle ground.
The tankiness of A2 should directly correlate with how much damage you expect to absorb in your battle. She can hit near 12k HP with 600+ Defense, but I'm sure that's overkill for most situations.
That said, throwing just 1 Patrotic Recall on her gets her to around ~6500HP with over 500 DEF and 1,600 ATK (with LB), two Patroit Recalls and you can still get around 1,500 ATK (with LB) with 7,600HP and 540 DEF. Reactive Defense, and Mechanical Heart would also go well with her.
Given her LB gives her such a large fixed amount of ATK, you're still getting insanely high atk even with a really tanky build.
I'm really glad you're still with us Zera!
don't let it get to you, I'm sure you have good enough units to clear current content too and I'm sure you will get units in the future which surpass the current units you want. I really don't want to look back and find out how much I've spent, as £40 or £80 here and there between the good banners must have really added up. I skipped the last couple of banners and got very lucky with this one. Im not wanting to get any lapis now until Cloud comes around, and I REALLY hope I pull him with the mass amount of tickets I'm saving up and free 11 pulls / guaranteed * tickets.
I'd hate to play this game without this community too, so stick together all! I'm still really surprised how everyone in my full friends list is active and has GAF in their name still
witchedwiz
Member
ffs friend playing since mid march has reached today his 14th rainbow as f2p..
i shit you not..
when he posted me a2 today i was like "andrea you dropped your last 5* like 6 days ago? leave something for me..."
i shit you not..
when he posted me a2 today i was like "andrea you dropped your last 5* like 6 days ago? leave something for me..."
Pejo
Member
Man, it's funny going back and doing these old events. I didn't get the "no white magic" on the Dreadnaught event, so I went back in without even changing my team around, completely forgetting that everything resists physical damage. Still ended up 3 turning the Captain boss with Twolandu and DV.
Question about farming the story event. Do power/support crysts only drop from one particular mission? I keep doing the first 90NRG one and I'm mainly getting green/white/tech crysts.
Question about farming the story event. Do power/support crysts only drop from one particular mission? I keep doing the first 90NRG one and I'm mainly getting green/white/tech crysts.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I just realized I've been doing something sorta wrong for an entire year in Exvius. When I am farming content, and am using buffers / debuffers, I've been setting up everyone's skills and then hitting auto or repeat. Doing so doesn't apply the buffs and debuffs to the first wave of damage does it? Does it only take effect if the units are dual wielding and their second attacks go off? Does it make more sense to buff/debuff, and then fire off the attackers?
indigo-cyclops
Member
I know the feeling entirely. It's almost scary at times. While not kid #2, I do have a 1.5 year old and a wife who works part time. We have a lot of savings but sometimes I dip when I shouldn't (I usually save all lapis purchases for gift cards I get from work)...it's tough because it's now somewhat of a habit.
Always apply buffs and debuffs before the the other units attack. If you click on the attacking unit before they are applied, they won't be considered regardless of what the animation shows.
It does take effect after the (de)buffer cast the skill, so if you hit auto and your DPS act first, no luck.
Power/support/guard/tech come from the very last mission. Don't do the second to last mission! That one only drops the other four - green/white/black/healing.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
Ty. I figured. Good thing I realized this lol. Better late than never.
SixMachine
Member
2B and A2 working together seem to chain well, especially since in the 2nd round A2 acts as a finisher. I got a ~42 chain without breaking with A2, 2B, Rikku and Orlandude. I thought it would break the chain somewhere in the middle but it went through. I don't have A2 myself but a decent one (900-1100!) from my friend list allows me to one round Engel, it takes me 2 rounds with a 900-1000 mag Freyvia and 2-3 with a strong Orlandude. I hope people keep A2 around as leaders since she seems pretty damn strong even when she has lesser attack than some other characters.
oh really? dang, I find the last level sort of annoying to do.
Pejo
Member
That's what I was scared I was doing. Lol, damn. Thanks for the confirmation.
On a side note - who's got the next great green/white/black/healing enhancements? (lol)
You can do the 3rd to last mission too. That's what I've been doing. Easier than the last mission. Can't auto the last mission.
facepalm007
Member
Gumi please, these moogles need a home...in 2B's belly.
thebigkahuna
Member
Awesome, glad it worked out for you!
Euphoria14
Member
Didn't work on iPad mini 2.
I hope my old Kindle Fire (OG model) is in the van when my wife comes home.
I hope my old Kindle Fire (OG model) is in the van when my wife comes home.
Ok, finally got 9S to LB lvl 15 so I can awaken him. I've got the king burst pot coming in a few days from the raid reward so I can spend it to get 9S to 6* or start working on EV to get him raised up. Neither is really a priority so maybe I'll just blow it to get A2 to lvl 25. I hope next week's expedition reward is another king burst pot like usual, that would make these decisions easier.
Don't spend any generic moogles on Nier units yet. Play the raid for another week and see if you get enough unit-specific moogles for the TM just from that (you probably will). If the raid is over and there is no way to get more coins, then you can consider spending regular moogles.
Don't spend any generic moogles on Nier units yet. Play the raid for another week and see if you get enough unit-specific moogles for the TM just from that (you probably will). If the raid is over and there is no way to get more coins, then you can consider spending regular moogles.