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Final Fantasy: Record Keeper |OT| The only ATB here is Active Time Battle.
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IdreamofHIME
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Give Kain that axe and destroy FFV worlds.
Purple Cheeto
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I did as well
I rolled the FF8 banner and got a 5* Zantetsuken and a bunch of FF5 items. I need to ditch a bunch of FF5 gear.Actually I do believe that since Zantetsuken isn't character specific, it goes into the 'generic filler pool' like Genji, etc rather than the 'lol 0.001% chance' pool like the other character weapons.
It's finally less than 1% since there's so many generic 5*s now, though.
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http://imgur.com/a/zydzE Retaliate stronk
(Gil Heroic solo'd by Tyro)
It's finally less than 1% since there's so many generic 5*s now, though.
edit:
http://imgur.com/a/zydzE Retaliate stronk
(Gil Heroic solo'd by Tyro)
Ben Morales
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Oh my... That just gave me an idea for Cyan. I'm fit to clean up son!
Are you asking whether 10 pulls is better than 11 pulls? If you have the mythril, there's no reason to cheat yourself out of a free item.
Ben Morales
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Hmm... If you have enough to do the 11 pull, I would definitely do it because you are getting one free pull. The results I've seen from others has varied drastically though.
Ah okay.
Nah i was asking which was more luckier. To pull 11 at once nets you better or worse then just doing it in single format.
I don't think there's a verifiable difference between the odds of a single pull and an 11 pull. If you look around this thread or the FFRK subreddit you'll see people with insane 11-pull hauls, people with nothing but 3* 11-pulls, and people getting repeat 5* on single pulls.
RNG gonna RNG. Just depends on whether you want RNG to happen all at once or over the span of individual pulls.
Got it! I'll just go for an 11 pull then!
If I may give an analogy, the extreme variance you see is a sign of true diversity. Having each pull give exactly 1 5* isn't a sign of diversity, it's a sign of predictability.
Sorta like Final Fantasy casts. Having an all-girl and all-guy cast once in a while is true diversity, despite how many people will kick and scream and demand every title represent every gender orientation/ethnicity/etc. ever.
MHWilliams
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Around what level should I be before trying Hard dungeons?
About 30 maybe 28+ depending greatly on gear. Its actually better to retreat after the first battle on hard, than it is to clear it on medium. So just try it, burn abilities, retreat if need be and go from there.
MHWilliams
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It all depends on what equipment and abilities you have. I personally think Aerith or any dedicated WHM in a party is overkill for most of the content currently available. Rydia's summons aren't that great unless you level them up so if you have access to higher level BLM I would consider Terra or Rinoa over her.
Ben Morales
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If I may give an analogy, the extreme variance you see is a sign of true diversity. Having each pull give exactly 1 5* isn't a sign of diversity, it's a sign of predictability.
Sorta like Final Fantasy casts. Having an all-girl and all-guy cast once in a while is true diversity, despite how many people will kick and scream and demand every title represent every gender orientation/ethnicity/etc. ever.
cpp_is_king
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As it should given a random number generator. A chance of 10% doesn't mean that in every run of 10 you'll get exactly 1. In fact, you can prove mathematically that in any arbitrarily long sequence of numbers rolled from a fair dice, you will be able to find sequences of arbitrarily long length where a certain number never occurs. So if you roll a 10-sided dice an infinite number of times, for any number you can think of, even if it's a gillion quintillity dillion, there will be a sequence of numbers that long where no 1s occur.
People always think "I'm not getting any drops, the system must be cheating us!" but it's exactly what you would expect out of a fair system.
(I'm not saying that you don't already understand any of this, I've just seen lots of posts on reddit and other places speculating and pondering over the ways in which the drop system might be cheating people. Always annoys me to see that kind of speculation getting actual consideration)
Katana_Strikes
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That Heroic XP dungeon can be pretty tough. Especially if they get an AOE Fire and Earth on you. Fire attack does about 1500 on everyone. But 55k worth of XP per round is worth it.
Ben Morales
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Yeah, it's definitely working as intended. I wasn't able to explain it as well as you though, so I just kept it brief. The theories of the RNG cheating always irks me as well.
Katana_Strikes
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I can do Heroic with 3. Haven't tried 2 but it would be a close call. You can do Flans with 1 guy.
We don't actually have enough data to declare whether this is a truly an unbiased system or not. Only DENA have the full data and they should be careful since they have to refund tons of mythrils for the JP players due to a failed increased rate on one of the relics. It had happened before.
Did my first 11 relic pull!
Got 2 5* (the FFVIII outfit and White Mage 5* Staff), 1 4* dagger and a lot of 3* stuff.
I'm about to get Celes. She is a magic knight right? So she should be able to use a lot of stuff. I'm thinking about switching her for Kain. He isn't bad per se, but he can't use many skills and his weapon selection isn't that god for what I've seen.
I have far more decent swords than spears. The only decent spear I have is a 3* one I got on a rare pull. It's from FFV.
Got 2 5* (the FFVIII outfit and White Mage 5* Staff), 1 4* dagger and a lot of 3* stuff.
I'm about to get Celes. She is a magic knight right? So she should be able to use a lot of stuff. I'm thinking about switching her for Kain. He isn't bad per se, but he can't use many skills and his weapon selection isn't that god for what I've seen.
I have far more decent swords than spears. The only decent spear I have is a 3* one I got on a rare pull. It's from FFV.
JP version's gacha mechanics are actually required to be revealed in-depth due to certain gambling-related laws.
That aside, for EN there honestly isn't any reason to believe that the percentages are different than the datamined values. What would DeNA even gain from it? Juvenile satisfaction in tricking the userbase?
Oh they would have plenty to gain from it. If the rates were actually lower than advertise, it means that they can squeeze out more money from the 'whales' they so love. There's already a guy who spent $3000 on gacha because he didn't get what he wants. Note that I'm not saying this is currently the case as it would be outright illegal and scummy as hell. Then again, the only people who would actually know this is Dena themselves so.. meh.
Most of the people who complained about pulls (like me) are just being salty about RNG as how these kind of things always goes. There's nothing else to it.
Two points:
First, like you mentioned, it's illegal, scummy as hell, and DeNA are one of the few mobile developers that actually have a positive reputation overall - all It takes is for one misstep and that's gone forever.
Secondly, the rates datamined aren't exactly for public consumption. Having a set of numbers hidden from public eye, which are also inherently wrong just to be misleading, seems needlessly complex and pointlessly devious. While not technically a solution, Occam's razor is screaming in full force here.
First, like you mentioned, it's illegal, scummy as hell, and DeNA are one of the few mobile developers that actually have a positive reputation overall - all It takes is for one misstep and that's gone forever.
Secondly, the rates datamined aren't exactly for public consumption. Having a set of numbers hidden from public eye, which are also inherently wrong just to be misleading, seems needlessly complex and pointlessly devious. While not technically a solution, Occam's razor is screaming in full force here.
VII being such a cult game and being talked about so much means that I've pretty much passively absorbed the whole plot.
Katana_Strikes
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Gone back to Flans, it's safer lol
Hours Left
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Done flanning for now. Gonna try and get some of those orbs before the event ends. It feel weird skipping the flan battles.
Red Mage
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Apparently pretty good, since that seems to be the game's MO with me.
Boost and Retaliate is pretty fun. Not only would they be useful for the boss itself (after all the other abilities are used up) and really easy to hone, theorycrafting suggests that a boosted Cloud/Sephiroth (depending what your best weapon is) with Retaliate up should be able to 1shot most trash, AND retaliate lasts through 3/3 waves if you're fast enough, meaning you use two ability slots to clear trash (and those abilities come in useful for the boss itself too)
Nothing is more satisfying than having a healer/BM's ATB start near full and taking out a mob via Retaliate.
edit: This seems to work on T-Rex stage (though some mob types require one last thwack) but falls off in usefulness for strict all-starring past that since you need too many actions to clear trash.
Nothing is more satisfying than having a healer/BM's ATB start near full and taking out a mob via Retaliate.
edit: This seems to work on T-Rex stage (though some mob types require one last thwack) but falls off in usefulness for strict all-starring past that since you need too many actions to clear trash.
TuckingFypo
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I'm stuck at the Presidential Residence on the VIII event at the moment. I have no protection against petrify. I've just crafted Stona, hopefully that's enough?
PixyJunket
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Hero's Ring get. Done. Never again.
Sadly, I know there will probably be another survival dungeon soon. Barf.
Sadly, I know there will probably be another survival dungeon soon. Barf.
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