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Final Fantasy: Record Keeper |OT2| I HAVE NO MYTHRIL AND I MUST SHOUT
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It's almost time to board the Phantom Train.
firehawk12
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I know the new ultimate hasn't launched yet, but are there strategies for retameta given the two ultimate dispels? I'm assuming you have to do enough DPS without advance or SG for the first dispel, then power up to attack during the second dispel, and hope you have enough to finish the boss fight before the third dispel?
Doniell Hall
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Holy shit, my luck is used up already. First ffx banner, got seekers shield on my 100 gem roll. Second banner, got YUNA'S LULLABY rellc with the 100 gem roll. Nearly screamed!
Explode in Palm 5*
firehawk12
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It's RNG. Although I've been finding that the named characters are more likely to drop theirs than the core characters.
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I got Hymm as well, so now I have 4 all heals... well, apparently it's useful for this Ultimate so that's good, but the two dispels still scare me. No idea how to approach it.
Use wall after second dispel. He doesn't hit hard at all before 50%. Use other mitigation in the meantime.
firehawk12
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Dispel removes Advance as well, right?
So I guess use standard attacks plus Breakdowns/Shellga/Protectga during the first 50%?
PixyJunket
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Geeeeeee, all the bonus battles were dead easy (no stamina to do Ultimate yet).
I mean, I have a 5★ and a 5★+ sword with X synergy, but I'm pretty sure previous X battles still took some sweat.
I mean, I have a 5★ and a 5★+ sword with X synergy, but I'm pretty sure previous X battles still took some sweat.
Random Painted HIghway
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Haven't takled ultimate yet, but I wasn't hit by zanmato or the other guys special attack even once, weird.
Mastered the ultimate. That was somewhat hard especially if he combos ultimate Dispel and Total Annihilation before you can get your buffs up. I didn't even get my buffs up until the second Dispel because it came do quickly after the first. AoE us amazing so that little dude always leeches 9999 damage off Seymour.
Used Heroic Harmony as RW to get mitigation up even if he Dispels. Fun fight! Got super lucky landing poison with Poison Buster om the first try three times I'm a row on different S/Ls!
Used Heroic Harmony as RW to get mitigation up even if he Dispels. Fun fight! Got super lucky landing poison with Poison Buster om the first try three times I'm a row on different S/Ls!
Yeah, both of them were joke-mode. I think newer players will enjoy this. The +++ compared to Soulcage is just, not even comparable.
Hours Left
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The summon poll is live apparently, but I can't seem to access it. Anyone able to get through?
This link? I can access it just fine. Voted for Phantom Train. Orthros currently in the lead with 400 votes over Phantom Train
Hours Left
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Yeah, I got it to work. Some of the links in the announcement lead to the wrong site. Thanks.
Voted Phantom Train. C'mon people, we can do it.
Gaming Truth
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Phantom Train too. I don't care about the ability, I care his name is spelled wrong
AdawgDaFAB
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It urks me so much to see Orthros. Especially with how much SE jumps back and forth between it and Ultros.
AdawgDaFAB
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Same here. Looks like ol' Inky is going to decisively win, though.
Now that I have her 2nd MC I should change to Yuna for my WM since I have the Lullaby Rod right? I've been using Lenna since I had her 2nd MC, but I've failed every time to get any of her relics so I still have no group heal SB (only native SB I have of the Trinity is the SG on Tyro). Like there's no crazy stat differences between the two I'm missing?
PixyJunket
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Ultimate down, I probably should have done Sunbath (or Planet Protector) considering my setup (Boon, Stoneskin, two 5★ swords), but Heroic Harmony sounded like a good idea when I saw it on the list. Ugh.
I'm happy to have it out of the way quickly, in case this weekend's bonus dungeon is worth repeating for EXP.
*grabs celebratory beer*
I'm happy to have it out of the way quickly, in case this weekend's bonus dungeon is worth repeating for EXP.
*grabs celebratory beer*
ActStriker
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lol, got Yuna's RM in the +++ fight right after breaking her level cap again
Damn, I one shot Seymour, wasn't expecting that. I definitely suggest using Auron to Tauntilate for this. Just wait for the first dispel before applying mitigation and buffs and it's not so bad. Total Annihilation is the only thing that hurts, he was hitting for paltry amounts of damage otherwise, like 100-300 range lol.
Yeh, the only real danger is Gravija -> Total Annihilation. Remembering to keep Magic Breakdown up on Morti, assuming you have enough mitigation to survive everything else, generally makes it more survivable at approx -40% damage. Everything else seems to be designed to be tankable with standard mitigation after a Gravija hits. Even Flare into Wall/Shell/MBreakdown hits for 500-600 at most.
AdawgDaFAB
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This feels like the easiest group of bonus battles we've had yet.
Indeed. I used this team for an easy Master w/ a Wall FS (Aerith's group heal was the only SB I used and I did so only once after Gravija).
Hours Left
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The most annoying thing about this Ultimate was having to sit through all the flavour text again and again when sap doesn't proc. :/
Starwolf_UK
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The bonus battles should be subtitled Auron has Knight 3. I got Yuna's RM on the Spectral Keeper and forgot to slow it. Still champion. Why? Auron has Knight 3.
Disclaimer: I don't think Japan had Auron with Knight 3 when these landed for them. They certainly didn't have guaranteed AoE heal thanks to disco ball grimoire.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKe...athcraft_how_much_do_you_hone_5_to_be_useful/
I guess from a balance perspective 5* abilities are not meant to be things you run around with higher hones. When I get enough orbs to make full break R3 I'm not sure if I will as so far if I need more than R2 I actually need a better strategy/relics.
A little thing is I think using 5* orb conversion actually saves gil if you want 4*s. As in it is slightly cheaper to convert 100 3* into 1 5* which you then make 10 4* out of.
https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Character_FF X_Yuna
https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Character_FF V_Lenna
Sometimes they get stats wrong; Beatrix used to have her level 80 attack listed under level 65.
Disclaimer: I don't think Japan had Auron with Knight 3 when these landed for them. They certainly didn't have guaranteed AoE heal thanks to disco ball grimoire.
You can also get yourself tied in knots like this trying to even think about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKe...athcraft_how_much_do_you_hone_5_to_be_useful/
I guess from a balance perspective 5* abilities are not meant to be things you run around with higher hones. When I get enough orbs to make full break R3 I'm not sure if I will as so far if I need more than R2 I actually need a better strategy/relics.
A little thing is I think using 5* orb conversion actually saves gil if you want 4*s. As in it is slightly cheaper to convert 100 3* into 1 5* which you then make 10 4* out of.
Yuna has higher stats in everything but attack and mind but can't equip light armour. Reference:
https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Character_FF X_Yuna
https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Character_FF V_Lenna
Sometimes they get stats wrong; Beatrix used to have her level 80 attack listed under level 65.
firehawk12
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Kind of feel bad for making a R2 Meteor, but I guess it was time to replace Quake with a second viable AoE for grinding purposes if nothing else. That said, it seems only marginally better than Ruinaga - at least for my weak ass Rinoa. lol
Having SG makes the Ultimate much more doable than I thought it would, even with the Dispels. I was able to bring it up 3 times. Dropping the Yuna heal relic helped tremendously too.
Having SG makes the Ultimate much more doable than I thought it would, even with the Dispels. I was able to bring it up 3 times. Dropping the Yuna heal relic helped tremendously too.
Some points on that discussion are really sound.
Really though, it's fundamentally a question of straight-out damage vs utility. About half a year ago, everyone was running r2 Breakdowns because 4 shots was 'enough' to get through bosses. You technically don't need more than a r2 Buster for whatever stat debuff gimmick a fight has. For those skills, more hones generally are just to do more damage. This holds true through things like Full Break (you get more uses, which translates into more damage firstly and a longer battle secondly) and Meteor (generally this would be for clearing trash, but more hones are good for more sustained DPS on a boss).
On straight-out damage abilities, though, more hones translates directly into more damage (yes, that sentence sounds stupid lol)
Compared a r4 -ja nuke, which caps out at 80000 damage done total, Barrage/Exploding Fist/Thief Raid only needs to do 20k damage a pop (which isn't hard with buff-stacking meta like Planet Protector, etc) to do equivalent total damage at r2, and accomplishes this in less turns.
This really mirrors the jump from 3* to 4* abilities. Utilities gained in their actual utility while doing little additional damage, and (magic) damage abilities jumped almost double. The best practice was to hone utilities to r2, and damage abilities (Waterja!) to r4. I think that holds true going from 4* to 5*. I'm keeping Full Break at r2 for foreseeable future because 12 turns is still more than enough to cover any boss fight, or any burn phase of a boss fight. Damage abilities, on the other hand, are going to be r4 first. Bahamut is a likely candidate depending how soon we get summon balance changes. I'm probably going to bite the bullet on Barrage just because it can be used by far more people than Thief Raid/Exploding Fist and the 'higher-tier' replacement for it is more than a couple of months off. And we're gonna be neck deep in BSB meta anyway.
edit: Should also say, the above holds true while 4* abilities are still 9999-cap-limited. When bosses start having absurd DEF/RES, then the total difference between 4* and multi-hit 5* abilities actually will be less pronounced, but by then the good ones will be r4 anyway, so it's a moot point.
Good to know, thanks! Seems like no real reason not to make the switch, even taking a hit in Mind (attack is obviously a moot point) is worth it for a native group heal SB, and it seems like my WM is usually equipped with one of my native 5* bracers so no light armor shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Now I just have to level her up >_>
madvin_zwei
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Got Ult. Seymour down. Had a few wipes due to the second dispell+Total Annihilation. Then a few s/l's due to sap or slow just not landing. He went down pretty easy one I got my mitigation up at the right time+slow leading into the second dispell.
Just made it most of the way through the Ultimate with Advantauntaliate + SSII + Secondary WHM healing through Yuna, but I think relying on a shared group heal SB with Yuna rather than Rosa's is why I was left without enough HP to weather Ult Dispel/Total Annihilation.
I'll try again after work with Rosa.
I'll try again after work with Rosa.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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Is Summoner's Prayer better for a healer than Oath of Tycoon/Light of the Fayth?
Starwolf_UK
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I seem to remember the rundown was the FFXII characters version of it was it doesn't do better healing that those RMs but does better damage than holy damage boost RM.
Random Painted HIghway
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Ultimate was pretty simple for me:
1st or 2nd turn applying tempo flurry slow and venom buster poison
Lulu with her doll nuking with ruinga r4 then Meteor r3
ysthola using wall, then shellga, then healing until 2nd dispell for another wall use
spare attacks for magic and physical breaks, concentrating mainly on the parasite
I used a heal/regen rw
No ssbs in my inventory, though I used SS2 and Auron's dragon fang (near the end) Pretty straightforward once you get the parasite slurping 9999 off seymour constantly.
I have crazy offensive synergy for X: Lightning Steel, Variable Steel, Brotherhood, Shimmering Blade and I tried a full offensive assault with a PP rw, but I didn't have the healing power with just yshtola to make it.
1st or 2nd turn applying tempo flurry slow and venom buster poison
Lulu with her doll nuking with ruinga r4 then Meteor r3
ysthola using wall, then shellga, then healing until 2nd dispell for another wall use
spare attacks for magic and physical breaks, concentrating mainly on the parasite
I used a heal/regen rw
No ssbs in my inventory, though I used SS2 and Auron's dragon fang (near the end) Pretty straightforward once you get the parasite slurping 9999 off seymour constantly.
I have crazy offensive synergy for X: Lightning Steel, Variable Steel, Brotherhood, Shimmering Blade and I tried a full offensive assault with a PP rw, but I didn't have the healing power with just yshtola to make it.
Hours Left
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If you have at least one adequate piece of FFX melee weaponry and someone who can tauntilate, you might want to even give the Ultimate a try. It's definitely one of the easiest to date.
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