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[MrDaravon]

All of this just made me want to play Final Fantasy Tactics, but I don't own a PSP, nor a NA PSOne (or PS2)... And there is no way I'm buying the botched apple/android versions.

*sigh* This game needs to be ported on PC, with enhancements.

Didn't the mobile version get a patch way after the fact that improved it quite a bit? I swear I've seen some people say it's the best version now in passing.

I do agree it's really weird it hasn't been ported to PC given all of the other FF mobile games have been.

 

[BassForever]

All of this just made me want to play Final Fantasy Tactics, but I don't own a PSP, nor a NA PSOne (or PS2)... And there is no way I'm buying the botched apple/android versions.

*sigh* This game needs to be ported on PC, with enhancements.

Emulator on pc? You can then try out the 1.3 hard mode patch which makes the game even better

 

[ActStriker]

All of this just made me want to play Final Fantasy Tactics, but I don't own a PSP, nor a NA PSOne (or PS2)... And there is no way I'm buying the botched apple/android versions.

*sigh* This game needs to be ported on PC, with enhancements.

what about a PS3?

 

[CuthbertAllgoodz]

Oh god now a few are reporting getting MVP invite this morning (screenshot included) and some of them spent like 35$ total or just 100 gems. All they have in common is writing a long mail to DeNa about FFT and not spending anymore (or they lie). 4000$ spenders with no invite are pissed! This is a mess haha! "Let's calm the outrage by sending MVP invites to a very few low spenders!" While I don't care about MVP, it's handled very strangely.

 

[c-murph]

I have Shout if anyone wants to use me and abuse me: rumH

 

[ccbfan]

I know this may sound crazy but for my party.

Advantaliate Meta >>>>> Scream Meta

My Scream Team Consist of.

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Random Skill base on need.
Cecil with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga
Agrias with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga/Elemental Skill
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Diaga

RS Scream

while my Advantalate team is

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Retaliate
Cecil with SSB - Double Hit, Protectega
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Boost
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB/Random Skill base on need
Quitis with SSB (Hastega) - Magic BD, Armor BD

RS Advance

Seph is the retaliator and with Quitis, the damage is insane.

6 x retaliate from Seph >>> 2 x Lifesiphon + SSB.

 

[Dragner]

oh dear, Reddit is already contacting Kotaku...and is Kotaku...they will get attention...good or bad...thats debatable xD.

 

[RocketDarkness]

I know this may sound crazy but for my party.

Advantaliate Meta >>>>> Scream Meta

My Scream Team Consist of.

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Random Skill base on need.
Cecil with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga
Agrias with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga/Elemental Skill
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Diaga

RS Scream

while my Advantalate team is

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Retaliate
Cecil with SSB - Double Hit, Protectega
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Boost
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB/Random Skill base on need
Quitis with SSB (Hastega) - Magic BD, Armor BD

RS Advance

Seph is the retaliator and with Quitis, the damage is insane.

6 x retaliate from Seph >>> 2 x Lifesiphon + SSB.

Keep in mind one of the strengths of Scream Teams is the burst DPS for when bosses enter their weak/very weak modes and it becomes crucial to drop them as soon as possible. With 3 scream-induced SSBs, you could easily burst out 100k+ in a single volley, whereas Retaliate may not quite be able to reach those points.

The other weakness of Retaliate is there's a lot of moving parts required to keep it flowing well; making it easier for bosses to throw gears in the works. Your retaliator getting confused/slept/blinded can really screw you over, and you have to manage keeping retaliate and buffs/debuffs up. You also sacrifice some versatility in support SBs, since the characters can't build SB meter easily when attacking the retaliator. Likewise, since they're attacking the relatiator, they can't use any other useful skills like debuffs or whatnot.

That being said, on occasion I'll build a half-retaliate team; usually when Drawtaliate is a valid strategy. Still plenty fun.

 

[Nohar]

Kotaku?... Yikes. I'll keep my opinion for myself on that subject.

That being said, I do think this: we need rules regarding gacha games in the West, and I want the odds to be clearly visible, not hidden, just like in Japan. But for this, we need a law. It would be wisest to contact people who can actually pass this kind of law rather than spam DeNa's mailbox. Every consumer would benefit from this.

 

[Dragner]

I mean, this is not pay to win, that you pay 30 bucks and you get Plat Sword, its clearly gambling, and it should be regulation, in my country slots and casinos have the winning rates available and visible all the time. This should be the same.

 

[Kapow]

I know this may sound crazy but for my party.

Advantaliate Meta >>>>> Scream Meta

My Scream Team Consist of.

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Random Skill base on need.
Cecil with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga
Agrias with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga/Elemental Skill
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Diaga

RS Scream

while my Advantalate team is

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Retaliate
Cecil with SSB - Double Hit, Protectega
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Boost
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB/Random Skill base on need
Quitis with SSB (Hastega) - Magic BD, Armor BD

RS Advance

Seph is the retaliator and with Quitis, the damage is insane.

6 x retaliate from Seph >>> 2 x Lifesiphon + SSB.

SSB span is much stronger against bosses with difficult weak forms and when theres more than one enemy imo. Lightnings SSB has put me through a good amount of content once i got it

 

[c-murph]

oh dear, Reddit is already contacting Kotaku...and is Kotaku...they will get attention...good or bad...thats debatable xD.

lul.

What are they hoping is going to happen? DeNa be all like, "You get a Shout! You get a Shout! You get a Shout! Everybody gets a Shout!"

Seph with SSB - Lifesiphon, Random Skill base on need.
Cecil with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga
Agrias with SSB - Lifesiphon, Protectega/Shellga/Elemental Skill
Tyro with SG- Lipfesiphon, FB
Vanille with Medica - Curaja, Diaga

RS Scream

What's with all the Lifesiphons? You just club your way all to the boss and unleash your SSBs? Does this work for Ultimates? I thought Ultimates required a bit more strategy than that...

 

[ZangBa]

All of this just made me want to play Final Fantasy Tactics, but I don't own a PSP, nor a NA PSOne (or PS2)... And there is no way I'm buying the botched apple/android versions.

*sigh* This game needs to be ported on PC, with enhancements.

I have FFT on my android and play it from time to time, I consider it a pretty good port. It takes a little getting used to, but overall it controls well enough. Now Terraria, holy hell does that control like complete ass on mobile.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Can't believe I cleared the dungeon update this quickly. All the leveling up and SBs from the festival have made life so much simpler. I'm pleased.

 

[RocketDarkness]

lul.
What's with all the Lifesiphons? You just club your way all to the boss and unleash your SSBs? Does this work for Ultimates? I thought Ultimates required a bit more strategy than that...

Ultimates are generally about surviving the first phase or two while building up 2 SB gauges, and then bursting the boss down in a round or two when he enters his very dangerous weak form. Strategies change based on factors such as it being a single-target or multi-target boss, or the target score requirements, but it's a solid baseline to start with.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

lul.
What's with all the Lifesiphons? You just club your way all to the boss and unleash your SSBs? Does this work for Ultimates? I thought Ultimates required a bit more strategy than that...

Lifesiphon, which does pretty good damage on it's own, with some of the record materias builds your SB gauge up a usage in about 2.5 turns depending on if you're getting hit by the boss or not. You lifesiphon a good 6 times and you've got 3 full bars of LB to just unload on the boss. Keep up mitigation during the early stages and then just wipe the boss out once they hit around half health.

Think of like Squall's cutting trigger or Tyro's stormlance grimoire where you can dump 25-40k damage with shout or planet protector up in a little more than one turn. Now think of 2-3 characters doing that in the space of about 5 turns and you get a dead boss.

I personally have taken up using Zack's interupt glove airstrike SB with cloud's BSB and Squall's Cutting Trigger. It's been pretty damn effective.

 

[HungOverOnATues]

Except you aren't netting zero. A five star relic is still a five star relic regardless of which series it's from.

Perhaps if you're a new player, but those of us who have been playing for a while are probably swimming in gear from realms like VII. I pulled 3 off-banner weapons, 2 of which I have no use for because I already have that type and synergy covered, the other is marginally more useful. Also pulled a shield that I will probably never use. This stuff is of little value when you compare it to any of the relics from the FFT banner that should have been boosted. And that's not even considering older relics made less relevant from power creep or whether they'll fit in to one's preferred party compositions. It may not be netting zero, but it's definitely not a case of all relics being equal.

people are being entitled crybabies because they didn't get that Platinum Sword they've been lusting after.

The rates on SSBs weren't even effected, so I don't think anyone is thinking they got cheated on obtaining a platinum sword.

Consider someone spending 100 gems and 100 mythril for a total of 23 pulls. At the current rates the total chance of getting any of the non-SSB character relics is 3% on a pull. The expected rate from the Japanese version was 6%. The probability of pulling at least one of these relics currently with 23 pulls is 50.37%. With the boosted Japanese rates, the same number of pulls gives you a 75.9% chance to get at least one of them. That is not an insignificant difference.

Even if the number of people who follow the game closely enough to know this is relatively small, to make a change like this which negatively impacts people who are putting money into this banner with certain expectations is a little gross.

 

[ccbfan]

What's with all the Lifesiphons? You just club your way all to the boss and unleash your SSBs? Does this work for Ultimates? I thought Ultimates required a bit more strategy than that...

Ultimates are single battle. Which is why they're really hard. Having easy battles before hand like story mission makes tough bosses much easier.

How Shout Meta with SSB and Lifesiphon works is

Depending on RM and damage you get 1 SB meter for every 2 or 2 SB meter every 5 Lifesiphon. With shout and breaks these SSB does a good 20-30 K damage. So 3 characters release 2 SSBs = 120K - 180K damage which will kill the weak phase of a Ultimate quickly.

Having the correct physical SSBs are very important. I have 2 middle tier ones in Sephs and Pecils and a low tier one in Agrias which are barely acceptable running SSB/Lifesiphon Meta which is why I'm getting below par results.

Someone that runs Cloud BSSB, Lightning SSB, Locke SSB, Bartz SSB, Lightning SSB, Agrias SB, would see much better results than I am.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

4 life siphons good lord.

Fun exercise

My best power team, I haven't created the third and fourth life siphons for this but now I am curious!

Bartz life siphon spellblade/drain strike ssb
Zidane or Laguna life siphon whatever
Ramza life siphon full break scream
Tyro life siphon protecga sentinel
Yuna curaja Shellga hotf

Rw summon: garnet? Quistis? Damage ssb?

This leaves quistis, selphie, and red on the bench with their support ssbs as well as yshtola with her wall. Need another solo target ssb to dump zidane and Laguna-first world problems.

 

[Noi]

Local friend did one last single pull cause he really wanted a Platinum Sword.

I still haven't stopped laughing. :lol

 

[c-murph]

Ultimates are single battle. Which is why they're really hard. Having easy battles before hand like story mission makes tough bosses much easier.

How Shout Meta with SSB and Lifesiphon works is

Depending on RM and damage you get 1 SB meter for every 2 or 2 SB meter every 5 Lifesiphon. With shout and breaks these SSB does a good 20-30 K damage. So 3 characters release 2 SSBs = 120K - 180K damage which will kill the weak phase of a Ultimate quickly.

Having the correct physical SSBs are very important. I have 2 middle tier ones in Sephs and Pecils and a low tier one in Agrias which are barely acceptable running SSB/Lifesiphon Meta which is why I'm getting below par results.

Someone that runs Cloud BSSB, Lightning SSB, Locke SSB, Bartz SSB, Lightning SSB, Agrias SB, would see much better results than I am.

Lifesiphon, which does pretty good damage on it's own, with some of the record materias builds your SB gauge up a usage in about 2.5 turns depending on if you're getting hit by the boss or not. You lifesiphon a good 6 times and you've got 3 full bars of LB to just unload on the boss. Keep up mitigation during the early stages and then just wipe the boss out once they hit around half health.

Think of like Squall's cutting trigger or Tyro's stormlance grimoire where you can dump 25-40k damage with shout or planet protector up in a little more than one turn. Now think of 2-3 characters doing that in the space of about 5 turns and you get a dead boss.

I personally have taken up using Zack's interupt glove airstrike SB with cloud's BSB and Squall's Cutting Trigger. It's been pretty damn effective.

Ultimates are generally about surviving the first phase or two while building up 2 SB gauges, and then bursting the boss down in a round or two when he enters his very dangerous weak form. Strategies change based on factors such as it being a single-target or multi-target boss, or the target score requirements, but it's a solid baseline to start with.

Ahhh... Good to know. Thanks boys.

I need to put together a good team with what I got.

These are my best character abilities right meow:

Super Soul Breaks
Terra Lv.80 (Magitek Missle)
Lighting Lv.65 (Crushing Blow)
Zidane Lv.65 (Shift Break)
Aerith Lv.55 (Pulse of Life)
Vivi Lv.50 (Doublecast Decay)
Ramza Lv.43 (Shout)

Soul Breaks:
Tyro Lv.80 (Celebration Grimoire... although I might buy Stormlance Grimoire one day)
Tidus Lv.65 (Swiftform & Spiral Cut)
Cid Lv.65 (Hyper Jump)
Zack Lv.50 (Air Strike)
Penelo Lv.50 (War Dance)
Kefka Lv.50 (Havoc Wing)
Agrias Lv.42 (Cleansing Strike)
Edgar Lv.1 (Drill)
Seifer Lv.1 (Demon Slice)
Sephiroth Lv.1 (Oblivion)

Hope to get lucky someday and get Quistis' - Red Scorpion (Mighty Guard) & Tyro's (Sentinel's Grimoire). As of right now just running them as Roaming Warriors.

 

[DXLelouch153]

Local friend did one last single pull cause he really wanted a Platinum Sword.



I still haven't stopped laughing. :lol

your friend needs to charge his phone

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Local friend did one last single pull cause he really wanted a Platinum Sword.

I still haven't stopped laughing. :lol

Talk about a kick in the balls.

 

[Kouriozan]

For people who run a team with native trinity, what RW are you picking?
Recently thought of Hand of the Emperor since it stacks with Shout.
My medica is Lenna's so it already give a high regen effect.

 

[Dragner]

Im benching tyro and rw wall.

Ramza/support/shout
Cloud/LS/BSSB
Bartz/LS/SSB
Greg/Saint Cross/SSB
Selphie/heal/SSB

Thats my A team right now, that can evolve into an AOE team subbing cloud and bartz for Laguna and Lightning for AOE SSB action.

 

[Negator]

That team is ridiculous, jeeez

 

[Kouriozan]

Im benching tyro and rw wall.

Looks pretty good, might as well do that for Ultimate and U+.

 

[Dragner]

That team is ridiculous, jeeez

I got absurdly lucky during fest and tactics.

 

[Brandson]

For people who run a team with native trinity, what RW are you picking?
Recently thought of Hand of the Emperor since it stacks with Shout.
My medica is Lenna's so it already give a high regen effect.

My Yshtola has wall, but after getting Lenna's medica, I realized it's more useful to be able to have the first character, whoever it is, hit a RW wall for bosses. If I get Yshtola's SSB, I'll sub her back in when she is level 80. If you want to keep wall, Mog's Heroic Harmony or Faris' Sea Lord Broadside are great picks for a RW, if you don't have those in your party already. Otherwise, Hand of the Emperor or a good medica would also work. I'm not a big fan of using offensive RW's for bosses.

My A-team right now, all level capped:
Squall (Lifesiphon/Power Break/SSB)
Faris (Full Break/Armor Breakdown/Kindred Spirit/Sea Lord's Broadside)
Locke (Thief's Raid/Lifesiphon/SSB)
Lenna (Curaja/Shellga or Protectga/Medica)
Ramza (Magic Breakdown/Lifesiphon/Shout/Medica/Hail of Stones)

Haven't tested on an Ultimate yet, but on high level elite bosses, stacking buffs and debuffs, I can get both Squall and Locke's SSBs to do 9999 per hit. Essentially once I get an elite boss to about 60% hp, it's dead.

 

[Czarcasm]

Haven't managed to get shout, but for those who did, I'm running Hand of the Emperor as my RW

Friend Code: QUuA

On a slightly related note, If by some miracle I get Platinum Sword on my final draw, how does this party setup look?

Cloud - Blade Beam/Fenrir Overdrive
Leon - Hand of the Emperor
Ramza - Shout/Tailwind
Yuffie - Clear Tranquil [Potential to upgrade to Tyro's BSSB in the future]
Garnet - Divine Guardian
RW - SG/SS II

 

[Balphon]

HotE might be overkill to the point where you'd want to replace Leon with someone better.

Alternatively you could slot Yuffie in and out depending on whether you need the healing and/or you have enough damage abilities to slot onto her.

 

[Dragner]

yeah with synergy weapons a physical attacker team can get to 420 attack easily, that will put him on soft cap only with shout. HoTE is good because it will help you reach cap without synergy weapons, so depending on the equipment you can put on and off Leon.

 

[Noi]

I think I've lost track of the amount of times when I clear an Elite dungeon expecting a stamina refill, then realize afterward that the dungeon didn't give a stamina shard. Later ones that give MCs fixed that, but the earlier ones still get me.

 

[MrDaravon]

I think I've lost track of the amount of times when I clear an Elite dungeon expecting a stamina refill, then realize afterward that the dungeon didn't give a stamina shard. Later ones that give MCs fixed that, but the earlier ones still get me.

This is why the first thing I look for is whether or not a dungeon gives shards lol. I'm re-caught up on Classic dungeons, still have a decent chunk of Elites to go but getting there, I'm at 152 Stamina right now and I think the current cap is 160 and change?

 

[Balphon]

This is why the first thing I look for is whether or not a dungeon gives shards lol. I'm re-caught up on Classic dungeons, still have a decent chunk of Elites to go but getting there, I'm at 152 Stamina right now and I think the current cap is 160 and change?

160 2/5

 

[ActStriker]

I'm at 150 but I go long stretches of time not bothering to do dungeons because of events/real life/dailies

 

[Kouriozan]

My Yshtola has wall, but after getting Lenna's medica, I realized it's more useful to be able to have the first character, whoever it is, hit a RW wall for bosses. If I get Yshtola's SSB, I'll sub her back in when she is level 80. If you want to keep wall, Mog's Heroic Harmony or Faris' Sea Lord Broadside are great picks for a RW, if you don't have those in your party already. Otherwise, Hand of the Emperor or a good medica would also work. I'm not a big fan of using offensive RW's for bosses.

Thanks, quickly looked at the spreadsheet info and Faris one is ID 609 which mean it won't stack with Full Break, I'll pick up some Heroic Harmony RW and see how it goes.

 

[Dragner]

Thanks, quickly looked at the spreadsheet info and Faris one is ID 609 which mean it won't stack with Full Break, I'll pick up some Heroic Harmony RW and try how it goes.

HA stacks with everything except Agrias shield. Faris is basically full breakdown, same effect that Fran SSB, they dont stack with FB.

 

[BassForever]

My Yshtola has wall, but after getting Lenna's medica, I realized it's more useful to be able to have the first character, whoever it is, hit a RW wall for bosses. If I get Yshtola's SSB, I'll sub her back in when she is level 80. If you want to keep wall, Mog's Heroic Harmony or Faris' Sea Lord Broadside are great picks for a RW, if you don't have those in your party already. Otherwise, Hand of the Emperor or a good medica would also work. I'm not a big fan of using offensive RW's for bosses.

More then that having a second wall free is nice since I always run into a scenario if Y'sholta is my only white mage she isn't building meter constantly throwing out curaga

 

[Kouriozan]

HA stacks with everything except Agrias shield. Faris is basically full breakdown, same effect that Fran SSB, they dont stack with FB.

Oh wait, yeah, I have both of Agrias SB and she is in my team.

Edit : Hand of the Emperor is a bit overkill.
Agrias SB + Full Break + Protectga/Shellga + Wall + HotE on Midlight Reaper Elite (Difficulty 93) and the poor boss could only hit me for 50 or 30 with his AoE.

 

[HungOverOnATues]

More then that having a second wall free is nice since I always run into a scenario if Y'sholta is my only white mage she isn't building meter constantly throwing out curaga

I've been using r5 curaja for a bit now, and r5 curaga before that, which lets you just kind of spam heals even if you don't necessarily need them right at that moment to build meter. That and r2 protectga/shellga to make sure that they're always up and having something to build meter without using another curaga/curaja. Alternatively, if you can spare an ability slot, Y'shtola can use Wrath which when combined with the Ace Striker RM builds just over 1 SB worth of meter with every 2 uses. I've used that before with the FFVII candle rod to be able to keep the Wall up all fight while still being able to throw out a group heal or two.

 

[AdawgDaFAB]

If I get Yshtola's SSB, I'll sub her back in when she is level 80.

Isn't that just Protectga + Shellga + Heavy Regen? That sounds like a big step down from Wall.

 

[Falk]

UI really needs a way to sort accessories by status resistance.

I REMEMBER I had a bunch of e.g. silence resists but I can't for the life of me remember where from.

 

[Inbachi]

Hmmm I guess all my luck from the SSB banners and lucky draws went to the Tactics banner instead. I did a 50 pull and nabbed Ramza's armor. I thought eh, what the hell, and decided to drop another 50 mythril. Nabbed Ramza's sword.

I've just been playing this semi-casually so I was somewhat unaware of all the frothing over Ramza's relic. After taking a peek at reddit and seeing the place in flames from all the torches, I feel very lucky to have pulled it, though I still don't really understand why it's apparently the relic to have currently....

Now I just need a wall ability.

ETA: I have quite a few of you on my friends list and my current RW is Lunatic High. I was going to leave it as that because I figured after this banner everyone would change their RW to Scream but perhaps that won't be the case now. Would you guys rather I put up Scream or keep LH?

 

[Falk]

The changes don't affect Ramza and Agrias' swords anyway.

But their other character relics have awesome SBs. If the stats are correct, then about 3/4ths of the off-banner pulls people were getting would have been one of the three character-specific armor if they'd been on the JP version.

 

[Brandson]

Thanks, quickly looked at the spreadsheet info and Faris one is ID 609 which mean it won't stack with Full Break, I'll pick up some Heroic Harmony RW and see how it goes.

What spreadsheet shows that? This spreadsheet says Faris' soul breaks are ID's 608 and 610 (same as Heroic Harmony).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NESRyb07OFClfhVh6QugCrDbBkEWe9SRJllppWomtD8/edit?pli=1#gid=1368960131

I could be crazy but I feel like they all stack. High difficulty bosses typically hit me for only double digits when fully debuffed. If I'm wrong, then I'll probably give up on using Full Break since Faris' soul breaks are better. I guess I'll have to systematically test this now.

 

[B.K.]

Yeah, and elemental resistance as well. Definitely the biggest gap in the UI right now.

It would be nice to be able to sort gear by Soulbreaks, too.

 

[Kouriozan]

What spreadsheet shows that? This spreadsheet says Faris' soul breaks are ID's 608 and 610 (same as Heroic Harmony).

It's this one, I was talking about Sea Lord's Broadside but yeah, it's 610 as well, so stackable with Full Break, dunno why I read that as 609 earlier.
Can't wait for the 1 stamina U+ battles to test some stuff.

 

[MrDaravon]

Oh I'd been meaning to ask: I have all of my -ja's (Waterja etc) at r3 right now, and I haven't felt much of a need to take them to r4 yet outside of maybe one or two instances. Is r3 generally considered good enough for those, or should I go r4? Also directly related, at any point do I really need to worry about crafting a second copy of these? I haven't really messed with mage meta since even if I wanted to I probably wouldn't have had the gear until now, I'm not sure if that's the only situation where that would really warrant maybe crafting duplicates of at least some of them (maybe Drainja and Waterja?).

Also Full Break r3 is ideal right? As in you want r3, but r4 is generally not needed? Mine's at r2 right now, just want to make sure before I burn the orbs.

 

[MicH]

I haven't needed a second copy of the aja spells at all. The aga spells do the job fine if you need more casts.

I also haven't needed more than R2 Full Break. R3 is a luxury, not really needed