The Spoony Hou
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Action RPGs aren't RPGs. Different genres.
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Final Fantasy VII Remake: Nomura Confirms Combat is Action Based
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Action RPGs aren't RPGs. Different genres.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Aw man shame a lot of ppl(not really a lot) probably won't even give it a try because it switched to action shame
See you all in the OT
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Why are you writing it off if you don't know how it'll play just yet? And there is nothing inherently worse about an action-based RPG than a turn-based one. Holding up the latter on a pedestal will be your downfall.
You could at least be more considerate in describing why you dislike a genre without calling it trash. Anyone of us could just say your taste is trash but that'd be just as ignorant to say. I dislike plenty of games that are highly regarded and despite the way I feel I can still recognize their merit.
LordOcidax
Member
That doesn't make any sense... Stop lying and trolling.
Coinspinner
Member
They say they are going to remake a beloved turn-based RPG.
They turn it into an action game.
Fans of the turn-based RPG are told they were crazy to expect otherwise.
...welcome to NeoGAF.
They turn it into an action game.
Fans of the turn-based RPG are told they were crazy to expect otherwise.
...welcome to NeoGAF.
Expected. But I don't understand why Square continues to run away from turned based. Square as we know it wouldn't exist if not for the success and love people had for those turned based RPGs. And this myth people like to float that turned based isn't fun or it's just too old now is complete and utter bullshit.
Then why are you in a FF7 thread then? Not trying to be an arse, but I tend to not visit threads about games I have no interest in.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
It's not turn based anymore lol
Suburban Thug
Member
Link to Nomura, another dev, or square confirming a new battle system over a year ago? Because this is news to me but then again I haven't followed the game super closely.
I know, I was chiming in with recollection support there!
Suburban Thug
Member
Wow. I mean you're entitled to your own opinion but to call all those games "trash" is a pretty wild statement if you ask me.
After replaying FF7 extensively on PS4. The only thing I think the game needs is a lot more end game content to test you.
Its a shame that in the North Crater theres some really cool materia to play with, but by that point the only enemies that are really testing are the 2 remaining WEAPONS.
Doubt any of that will really translate into the remake, but heres to hoping.
Its a shame that in the North Crater theres some really cool materia to play with, but by that point the only enemies that are really testing are the 2 remaining WEAPONS.
Doubt any of that will really translate into the remake, but heres to hoping.
Are cheese hamburgers not hamburgers? Is American English not English? Are dog puppies not dogs? Even pineapple pizza is pizza after all. Action RPGs are RPG.
How is FFXV's combat remotely related to whether or not this is good?
XV was basically a KH-esque clone before it was changed to what it is now.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You shit on Xv every chance you get rule of thumb apparently
People in here still trying to classify games by outdated genre stratifications.
Why? Really... Why?
Most games borrow heavily from multiple traditional genres and are often better for it.
Being turn-based vs action-based doesn't make a game inherently less of an RPG, though you have every right to not like action-based combat. That's fine.
Why? Really... Why?
Most games borrow heavily from multiple traditional genres and are often better for it.
Being turn-based vs action-based doesn't make a game inherently less of an RPG, though you have every right to not like action-based combat. That's fine.
LordOcidax
Member
Lot of people (especially old school gamers) associate RPG or JRPG with the turn based system for a long time ago.
... Did you mean to quote someone else? I wasn't shitting on XV at all in that post.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You said how is it related I was telling u how
The Spoony Hou
Member
Gameplay is completely different. Action RPGs are just unbalanced action games, they play nothing like RPGs.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
What is an unbalanced action game?
Okay I'm going to ignore that TBS comment, which is just completely ridiculous to a point that I almost think you are just trolling.
For the other games: I specifically said competitive Pokémon, because the single player doesn't teach you enough about the mechanics and is never difficult enough to require that understanding anyway. The result is that you can mostly beat the campaign by passively spamming the same few moves. This is probably what puts you and others off turn based combat, because far too many games get caught up in a loop where something like this happens. Either through bad turn based combat design, easy difficulty, or poor communication.
None of the other games I mentioned get caught up in that loop. There's also Sanctuary RPG for a game which deliberately breaks that loop entirely.
Vanilla version was pretty unbalanced so if you were talking about that version then i apologize.
I was thinking about the Zodiac version when i wrote that.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
So do you tilt the console with the game inside to compensate?
Is 13 not a turn based game? Either way, just like any other game the battle system would only shine in certain boss battles or optional side material.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
So rpg=turn based is what I'm getting from this thread
Not every RPG is Turn Based or Action, but every Turn Based RPG and Action RPG is a RPG, even if it seems that this logic statement is breaking some people's hearts lol
Seriously, what?
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
I think a lot of people think of RPGs as exclusively turn-based and anything outside of that as a departure.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Uneven difficulty because of differing player character levels.
Be careful making such claims about Final Fantasy 7. That battle system has been tweaked and analyzed so much that yes, you CAN actually walk up to Emerald Weapon and press X to win. Except, you know, pressing X is optional.
I would expect any remake to not allow that particular strategy to work, mind you, but it's stuff like this that makes Final Fantasy 7 endure. People actually care enough about the game to realize that if you kill over 65535 enemies with Vincent, his damage becomes infinite with the Death Penalty. Not the setting, not the characters. The system. The wonderfully open-ended and imminently breakable system. If you take the time first to set it all up, you can get some amazing little combos going, even on a less hyper-optimized level. Final Attack=Revive, anyone? Step it up one notch and do Final Attack=Phoenix, maybe?
And that's the fun of a turn based RPG system. Preparations over performance. First you win the fight, then you start it. If the boss fight has a possible losing outcome, you're doing it wrong.
In an ideal world, this would be the game we would be getting. FF7 with X-2's battle system. That would be amazing and worth buying a PS4 for. But what we're getting? Eh, if it ever comes to PC... on Steam. For 80% off, maybe. Otherwise, no.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Shame really than
ThatStupidLion
Member
so what youre saying is that i should buy the ff7 classic instead of wait for remake episodes
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Yes it is? I think it might have gotten confusing but in the context of the conversation where I talked about it, it was more pertaining to FF battle systems as a whole and not TB vs Action.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
So in other words you do not believe non-action RPGs have unexplained difficulty curves or spikes?
And what do you mean because of differing levels? There are differing levels throughout RPGs.
What are you even saying?
Ah, I see.
Teletraan1
Banned
Yeah I would have liked to expand on that system and stick to ATB. I didn't like the combat of XV. I don't like KH. I liked FF1-XII. Party RPG + ARPG = shitshow. It becomes a bunch of automation with little to no control over party members. Should have just made Cloud Returns if they wanted to go the ARPG route or hire Platinum because Squares in house ARPG efforts are weak and pale in comparison to other ARPGs or even character action contemporaries.
LordKasual
Banned
After XV, i'm entirely cool with this.
Will be awesome to see the fights reimagined. Will also be awesome to control multiple party members and see them reimagined.
Tifa and Red XIII strike me as characters that will be interesting to control
Anyway this is already a typical hyperbolic FF thread so i guess there isn't much to see past the first page
Will be awesome to see the fights reimagined. Will also be awesome to control multiple party members and see them reimagined.
Tifa and Red XIII strike me as characters that will be interesting to control
Anyway this is already a typical hyperbolic FF thread so i guess there isn't much to see past the first page
Again, you are talking about difficulty. Strategy is the ability to form a course of action. It is a fact that FF7 had vastly more options for players to strategize with than FF15 does. A lot of that strategy could exist in an action combat system, sure, but it didn't in FF15 which is why people are worried and are bringing up the comparisons ITT. You said you haven't even played FF15 so what is even your point? Just being contrarian?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Ah don't leave let them scream at their clouds. Dude controlling red and cat tho...lol I can't imagine the attacks in my head can you?