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Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age |OT| You Had One Job!
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Dougieflesh
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Is there a guide on which jobs work the best with each esper?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
My only comment is that Balthier is supposedly, ironically, the worst gun user in the game. I decided to give the Machinist/White Mage combo to Penelo instead (who also has higher magic oriented stats)
But the difference is likely not that great, and this would get you through the game more than easily enough. Those are good class combos.
Foebreaker/Shikari and Knight/Time Battlemage have been more or less permanent members of my team so far, they're fantastic. Definitely steal the Karkata for the latter in Trial 3 if you want to wreck shit early on.
Uhlan/Archer sounds like a bit of a waste, if I'm being honest, though admittedly I haven't really taken a better look at either of those classes cause none of my characters are Uhlan or Archer. I'd replace them with a White Mage/Shikari. Equip them with Main Gauche and you've got a hell of a healer-tank.
What'd you give to Balthier? Can you post your job list if you don't mind?
Spiritwalker
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Went with Uhlan for Ashe, and maybe Time Mage later? Should work well enough.
Anyways, I just reached the Ogir-Yensa Sandsea which is one of my favourite locations in the game. Always loved that place for its strange and eerie atmosphere, plus that music is just awesome. Also, the overall quality of the remastered soundtrack continues to impress me, but I do agree that some tracks have lost some of their oomph. It's not a big deal, of course, but in some areas I might switch to the OG music. Speaking of music, I believe Nam-Yensa has gotten a theme of its own now? Can't wait to hear that.
Anyways, I just reached the Ogir-Yensa Sandsea which is one of my favourite locations in the game. Always loved that place for its strange and eerie atmosphere, plus that music is just awesome. Also, the overall quality of the remastered soundtrack continues to impress me, but I do agree that some tracks have lost some of their oomph. It's not a big deal, of course, but in some areas I might switch to the OG music. Speaking of music, I believe Nam-Yensa has gotten a theme of its own now? Can't wait to hear that.
Penelo is slowest with the katana and strength weighs heavier on it. For Penelo I'd say it's better to leave katanas behind and focus on Ninja Swords. She will do more DPS with Mesa and Yagyu Darkblade.
You could maybe swap Balthier and Vaan's jobs round but what you've gone for is good combos
Was definitely leaning to Fran being Red Mage.
Fucked up was probably an exaggeration, but yes I did want to use all 12. I was kind of tipsy playing the first night and was overanxious about getting past the intro expository stuff. I don't know why I assigned Penelo to Bushi...
Anyways, thanks for the responses guys. I didn't do my part in terms of research so that helped.
Really trying to keep my party reasonable and not overpowered, since I don't find it all that fun stomping on bosses in seconds.
So far not too bad. Just left Raithwall, and levels are all 20. Used the reflect/aero trick with Penelo and Ashe to down Demon wall and get my scathe mote, and 30LP (plus reward from Montblanc) Only OP weapon I have is a Gladius that I stole from Linbur Wolf. Belias was not very challenging, but I don't think he's really supposed to be.
Also, Aero is so fucking good. Combined with some of the augments black mage can get, if there are 2 or more enemies, Ashe can actually get MP back by casting it, so she can pretty much spam non stop.
Taking my time playing through this, and loving it. I always liked this game, but the improvements make it top tier in my view.
So far not too bad. Just left Raithwall, and levels are all 20. Used the reflect/aero trick with Penelo and Ashe to down Demon wall and get my scathe mote, and 30LP (plus reward from Montblanc) Only OP weapon I have is a Gladius that I stole from Linbur Wolf. Belias was not very challenging, but I don't think he's really supposed to be.
Also, Aero is so fucking good. Combined with some of the augments black mage can get, if there are 2 or more enemies, Ashe can actually get MP back by casting it, so she can pretty much spam non stop.
Taking my time playing through this, and loving it. I always liked this game, but the improvements make it top tier in my view.
Get rekt Gil Snapper by my early 20-ish level team. He got like one attack in because I kept him Immobilized, Silenced and Slowed. He had a shit load of HP though, took me like 15 minutes to kill him. I felt pretty tense during that because if he had gotten even one Blizzaga in it would have one shotted my whole team.
If you swap Red Mage with Foebreaker both combinations become better imo. Vaan becomes more versatile and Foebreaker strengthens Bushi. Seems like your heart is set on a Fran Red Mage though, that's fine too.
Very basic question to ask. Since you can move around the field during a battle, are there times when you'd want to have a character tank an enemy and the rest of the party would be behind the enemy?
I'm thinking as if it were an mmo (WoW). Also, is there bonus dmg dependent on flanking? Thanks!
I'm thinking as if it were an mmo (WoW). Also, is there bonus dmg dependent on flanking? Thanks!
Well sure, having a tank is always a good idea, especially if you have squishy mages in your party. I made Ashe my tank-healer (White Mage/Shikari) and I keep Lure on her at all times. Most fights my other characters barely take any damage, except from AOE attacks obviously.
I don't think combat positioning is that important, though. You don't deal extra damage from behind or anything, enemy attacks all either hit just one target or your whole party as far as I know and so on. Someone can of course correct me if I'm wrong, but positioning has never been something I've paid any attention in FFXII.
So Vaan as Shikari / Red Battlemage?
SiegfriedFM
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I'm beginning to think I made a mistake. I'm in Raithwall after ten hours and I'm completely missing magic users. I made Fran a Time Mage because I wanted a combination of crossbows and Haste stuff, but I can't even find that magic yet. Ashe is a Knight and has silly HP so far, but only the gear that sells outside. Balthier is a Machinist and I recently got him set up to steal from everything. Then I have Monk (Vaan), Bushi (Basch) and... that thief class with Penelo.
How much longer until I can dual-class? I'm having a bit of trouble doing enough damage to the demon wall and it feels like I'm getting all these spells that I can't use. Having to rely on Hi-Potions and Cure is really weak.
How much longer until I can dual-class? I'm having a bit of trouble doing enough damage to the demon wall and it feels like I'm getting all these spells that I can't use. Having to rely on Hi-Potions and Cure is really weak.
You get it after Raithwall. So like 20 minutes more.
Also if you are talking about the first demon wall then you don't have to beat it. The only thing you get for beating it is few motes. Just run away and kill the second one who is much easier.
You unlock the second jobs when you finish the Tomb, so not long to go
Everything is salvageable even if you feel like your job assignments are weak right now, so definitely ask for job combination tips here when you do finish the tomb
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yeah, sure:
Vaan: Shikari/Foebreaker
Penelo: White Mage/Machinist
Balthier: Time Mage/Uhlan
Fran: Archer/Red Mage
Basch: Knight/Bushi
Ashe: Monk/Black Mage
Since I heard Fran is the worst with bows as well (maybe due to her attack animation length? I'm not sure as to what the actual reason is), technically the way to optimize this would be to swap Fran and Balthier's jobs, but Balthier looked too good with a crossbow for me to pass that up.
Sweet, thanks!
Out of those 3 I would say Knight/time mage, Monk/Black mage and Bushi/Red mage are your best options if you want all 3 to have magic
can also get on Cerobi Steppe in a chest. Not sure which chest. Probably rare though. (referring to Telekenisis)
Well, now that I accidentally spawned him, I guess I gotta do some Negalmuur grinding. This is probably kind of whatever after level 30, but whatever.
e: oh shit, these little guys drop Teleport Stones! Might as well max those out at least.
Black Mage is supposedly best paired with Monk, so I'd definitely make Vaan Monk/Black Mage. Time Mage goes well with Knight to counter Knight's slowness with 3x Swiftness.
Thanks, I'll look into it!
e: oh shit, these little guys drop Teleport Stones! Might as well max those out at least.
Black Mage is supposedly best paired with Monk, so I'd definitely make Vaan Monk/Black Mage. Time Mage goes well with Knight to counter Knight's slowness with 3x Swiftness.
Thanks, I'll look into it!
psynergylover
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Iwas basically in the same spot as you and it's okay as the games magic really doesn't "baloon" until you get you second jobclass which is right after Raithwalll. As others have said you don't need to face the first demon wall.
Edit: Ayyy Fran is the worse archer and Balthier gunner, lol the game plays you from the start!!!
Working hard today guys. Liking the Remote Play as always
Never tried remote play before. How do I achieve this wizardry???
Balthier as machinist is for the lore xd and ashe as BKM is because she have the highest magic (or that was i hear)
i will switch fran's first job based in what you said (first RM and then archer)
now, which espers should i use for each class? lol
Lights and Waves
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Doesn't red mage have cure spells? Pretty sure they do...
Degenerate
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Started this up and really not feeling it, seems like most of it is just doing fetch stuff.
I can see them coming a ways into the game by looking at the board, but I have nothing right now.
Panelo and Fran come with the basic cure already learned
tedrotheredro
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A few newb questions:
- How do you heal quickly post-battle? Set a gambit?
- Speaking of gambits, I have no idea what I'm doing with those. Any common setups I should use? Can I have one setup for a boss and another for trash mobs?
- Does MP regen just from walking around? My casters seem to run out pretty quick, any tips for MP conservation?
- Do you cycle characters in and out to spread XP gains?
Why couldn't they add the ability to respec, the entire time I'm playing the game I'm thinking I effed something up. Game feels stressful now, compared to the open job system. Already made the mistake of making Vaan shikari, should of gave him something worst because I never use him.
Should I give Fran Archer first or Red Battlemage? Does it matter?
I hear magic takes a while to come into its own, but also Fran comes equipped with a couple of spells already. However, the area that I'm in now doesn't any Maces for her to use!
BEGINNER TIP: If you have the money at the start of the game, consider stocking up on 1 of each weapon from the weapon shop. It'll mean that you can freely give people the classes you want later on without having to worry about them not being able to equip a weapon.
2- Experiment a lot. Think of it like programming your party's AI.
3- I actually don't know on this one. I know there are a lot of skills of regenerating MP from what I can tell though
4- I'm not sure if characters gain experience out of party or not. Sorry!
I hear magic takes a while to come into its own, but also Fran comes equipped with a couple of spells already. However, the area that I'm in now doesn't any Maces for her to use!
BEGINNER TIP: If you have the money at the start of the game, consider stocking up on 1 of each weapon from the weapon shop. It'll mean that you can freely give people the classes you want later on without having to worry about them not being able to equip a weapon.
1-You can press "X" to pull up the battle menu and use it at any time, you can select left and right to command different characters
2- Experiment a lot. Think of it like programming your party's AI.
3- I actually don't know on this one. I know there are a lot of skills of regenerating MP from what I can tell though
4- I'm not sure if characters gain experience out of party or not. Sorry!
Red mage is able to learn Cura and Curaga, but those spells don't become available until a bit into the game. So unless your character starts with cure (which you can buy immediately) you won't be able to use Red mage to cure for a while. (Fran, Ashe, Penello have cure learned from the beginning)
Okay I've been wondering on how to allocate Espers around my party. Do they just fill in an empty space so you csn reach additional nodes? Not sure how to set them up to be honest. Here's the jobs I chose.
Vaan: Shikari/Foebreaker
Basch: Bushi/Monk
Ashe: Knight/Time Mage
Balthier: Machinist/White Mage
Fran: Red Mage/Archer
Penelo: Monk/Black Mage
Yeah I know I have Monk twice. Basch was meant to get Uhlan instead but I made a mistake somewhere and I can't be bothered to start the game again.
Is there an ideal Esper allocation for the above setup? I typically use Vaan, Ashe and Basch as my main three, but do mess with the others
Vaan: Shikari/Foebreaker
Basch: Bushi/Monk
Ashe: Knight/Time Mage
Balthier: Machinist/White Mage
Fran: Red Mage/Archer
Penelo: Monk/Black Mage
Yeah I know I have Monk twice. Basch was meant to get Uhlan instead but I made a mistake somewhere and I can't be bothered to start the game again.
Is there an ideal Esper allocation for the above setup? I typically use Vaan, Ashe and Basch as my main three, but do mess with the others
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Keep em coming. I take back what I said earlier about the Negalmuur grinding tactic being probably worthless after level 30. Vaan and Balthier have already gone from 35 to 44.
This is going to trivialize the next 10 hours but man, I can't stop. Or well, I actually have to stop soon cause I'm running out of ethers, but still.
Yeah, they create licenses that work as bridges to the small license islands on the boards. Can't help you with the esper allocation, though. I personally just wing it, when I get a new esper I check who'd get the most out of it and just give it to them.
or ur demmon
Keep em coming. I take back what I said earlier about the Negalmuur grinding tactic being probably worthless after level 30. Vaan and Balthier have already gone from 35 to 44.
This is going to trivialize the next 10 hours but man, I can't stop. Or well, I actually have to stop soon cause I'm running out of ethers, but still.
Yeah, they create licenses that work as bridges to the small license islands on the boards. Can't help you with the esper allocation, though. I personally just wing it, when I get a new esper I check who'd get the most out of it and just give it to them.
So I'm guessing you haven't gotten more than an hour in?
mullet2000
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Okay, I think that I settled on a party comp.
Vaan - Shikari/White Mage
Ashe - Knight/Time Mage
Basch - Uhlan/Archer
Panelo - Black Mage/Monk
Balthier - Bushi/Foe Breaker
Fran - Red Mage/Machinist
Any criticisms?
Vaan - Shikari/White Mage
Ashe - Knight/Time Mage
Basch - Uhlan/Archer
Panelo - Black Mage/Monk
Balthier - Bushi/Foe Breaker
Fran - Red Mage/Machinist
Any criticisms?
I would swap Shikari and archer round personally but those work fine if you want to keep them
To go through these in order:
Yeah, basically. If you want to get fancy and have gambit slots to spare, one idea is to have a "heal if low on hp" gambit at the top of your white mage equivalent, and a "heal if not at full hp, when nothing else is going on" gambit at the bottom. It's up to you to figure out what works for you though.
After healing, one super basic, early game set up to consider is to have two attack gambits: Top priority is who the party leader is attacking, second priority is...whatever you want them to focus on. The nearest enemy, for example. Just having the former can be limiting if (for whatever reason) the leader hasn't attacked the enemy yet, so both can help out in that regard. Also, feel free to swap out "attack" for a spell if an enemy is weak to it. Other gambits to look out for are the "weak to element" gambits, and generally gambits that allow you to distinguish between different enemy types.
You can probably get away with a single setup for the general stuff, but you can change gambits at any time. So be flexible!
There are a few solutions to MP troubles. Using your full party obviously helps, and don't ignore save crystals even with the auto save, since they heal your party. There's also some licenses that decrease MP costs/increase MP regeneration. Finally, whilst I'm not super far in the zodiac version to be the best judge of this, you *do* have ethers at your disposal, so feel free to use them if needed.
You can definitely get by with just a party of three, but there's a lot to be said for the flexibility of a full party, especially with the job system. At the very least, if your main party dies, you'll have to switch in the reserves, so it helps if they can take a hit before using a Phoenix down or whatever.
Ah, so characters outside of the party do not gain exp? That is one of my most hated things in RPGs haha.
Nope. They do gain License points though, so if they drag behind a few levels it's not a huge issue, since equipment and licenses can make a huge difference. (There's also an accessory that doubles your exp gain, so if you get one of those it can help people catch up)
...It's when you're at endgame and they're level 20 whilst everyone else is level 50 that it becomes an issue. Not that I'd know.