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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn |OT3| LFT Full Relic and DL Required
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razgriz417
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Farmed Ifrit about 12 times today, saw 3 axes, 2 swords, 2 spears, 1 WHM staff, 1 SCH book and 2 SMN book. Was happy to get my SMN book, no more 44 GC for me 
Man gotta say, joining a larger FC with a bigger pool of friendly players have made this game so much more enjoyable. Having others around to help with crafting and melding is awesome, not to mention relying less on DF to do dungeon runs
Man gotta say, joining a larger FC with a bigger pool of friendly players have made this game so much more enjoyable. Having others around to help with crafting and melding is awesome, not to mention relying less on DF to do dungeon runs I hate RNGs.
what if everyone else rolls 0
Yeah, every tick of regen builds aggro. I usually avoid regen and medica 2 if I know adds are coming.
Level 50. You need them to meld the materia to your relic weapon.
tiggerkiddo
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I hate RNGs.
I feel you there. I pretty much cross my fingers with that system.
Thanks, good to know, I guess I'll click it off if I have problems with it in the future, the run was a disaster with everything all over the place :<
Sorry whm Melonie if you're reading this!
Amon-Lau
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Odd, I'm usually good casting Regen with my tank keeping aggro fine~
Healing emnity is half of damage emnity per point basis. So assuming there's no additional emnity modifiers on the tanks (which happens if you just start the first hit of your combo without any cooldowns used) except defiance or shield oath which people say gives around 50% increase emnity, you need to do at least 75% damage of the regen tick to hold aggro over the regen tick.
Also I've seen people saying overhealing emnity is basically double normal healing emnity, so 1 damage = 1 healing point aggro, so that makes it even more unlikely that you can hold aggro if you just run up to a mob and start your aggro.
But if you use abilities/items that increase your emnity and start with shield lob/tomahawk instead which multiplies emnity 3x instead of starting your combo, you can even hold aggro against regen ticks immediately.
Actually there's surprisingly little solid data other than valk's analysis so a lot of those numbers I stated may not even be accurate. But the logic is there.
Issue is on the pull, and if your tank damage is much better in relative to your regen, then it's a non-issue.
Also I've seen people saying overhealing emnity is basically double normal healing emnity, so 1 damage = 1 healing point aggro, so that makes it even more unlikely that you can hold aggro if you just run up to a mob and start your aggro.
But if you use abilities/items that increase your emnity and start with shield lob/tomahawk instead which multiplies emnity 3x instead of starting your combo, you can even hold aggro against regen ticks immediately.
Actually there's surprisingly little solid data other than valk's analysis so a lot of those numbers I stated may not even be accurate. But the logic is there.
Odd, I'm usually good casting Regen with my tank keeping aggro fine~
Issue is on the pull, and if your tank damage is much better in relative to your regen, then it's a non-issue.
Zomba13
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I hate RNGs.
Lol. I rolled Need on my Garuda book and got a 1. Luckily I was the only SMN in the group.
Odd, I'm usually good casting Regen with my tank keeping aggro fine~
At the beginning of the fight, the adds would go straight for the whm when they haven't even reached me yet from the pull
it's fine after a few aoes but I need to be able to do that first lolI don't know what else is going on though but my friend told me it's usually the regen that make things tough at the beginning, the enmity was especially bad when melee accidentally run and aggro other stuff.
Amon-Lau
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If you aggro gets really bad try using Shroud of Saints, that thing saved my life many times during hard times for healing~ :3At the beginning of the fight, the adds would go straight for the whm when they haven't even reached me yet from the pull
I don't know what else is going on though but my friend told me it's usually the regen that make things tough at the beginning, the enmity was especially bad when melee accidentally run and aggro other stuff.
Rising_Hei
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People that is permanently using regen at AK and Castrums speedruns sure are annoying, speciallt at Castrum....
And then, there's those healers that will always have regen on you regardless of the situation (for example, Castrum's boss fights -_-) what a shame
And they complain that they're always tanking
About Paladin.... i don't understand why everyone gets the AF2 Body... i mean, are all of you aware that Caduceus from BC drops the Allagan body? which is as good or even better >_> and it 's just Turn 1
And then, there's those healers that will always have regen on you regardless of the situation (for example, Castrum's boss fights -_-) what a shame
And they complain that they're always tanking
About Paladin.... i don't understand why everyone gets the AF2 Body... i mean, are all of you aware that Caduceus from BC drops the Allagan body? which is as good or even better >_> and it 's just Turn 1
i cant remember the last time i popped shroud for the emnity reduction
Relying on random drops is never a good idea.
are you aware that it's hideous
minimumhippo
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Yeah if you start a pull and still have regen on from a previous fight they will immediately attack the healer. I try to keep in mind the length of a fight and not regen if I feel it's going to be over quickly but sometimes I make a mistake or its just an accident out of habit. A lot of trash pulls don't require regen anyway.At the beginning of the fight, the adds would go straight for the whm when they haven't even reached me yet from the pull
I don't know what else is going on though but my friend told me it's usually the regen that make things tough at the beginning, the enmity was especially bad when melee accidentally run and aggro other stuff.
getting kk slider is too much work
Rising_Hei
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Darklight was 100 times worse, so... Also... i don't need to save 3 weeks worth of points for the Body AF2 and improve in other areas
And it can be a good idea to rely on them, yes....
The other Paladin didn't upgrade the shield and he just got the allagan round shield which is as good... he saved up 300 points
Improving Curtana to +1 then rings, hands etc is the best choice imo
Rising_Hei
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Still, what greens go we have if we're fully equipped?
RING, we have an AK RING, for god's sake
So... the better equipment improvement is there.
Curtana +1 <-- Is there anything better than this? NO, it helps you build aggro, too
So... getting Curtana +1 and then ring hurts none, if you're lucky while doing so and getting more points then you save up weeks of farmings and can improve your equipment in a whole new level, if you're not lucky then proceed to get AF2 Body, shield or wathever
Not hard to do this and it's a win either way
Question guys.
When I was getting my DL accesories, I went to the Striking ones for my DRG (+Critical Hit rate) cause everywhere said Critical Hit is the best stat after Strenght for DRGs.
But now I have heard that you need around 460 acc for Coil, an my acc right now is 446 (gear:http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1031522/. I do wonder if I had to get some of the Maiming acc for DRG. What do fellow DRGs at Coil think about this?
Thanks in advance
When I was getting my DL accesories, I went to the Striking ones for my DRG (+Critical Hit rate) cause everywhere said Critical Hit is the best stat after Strenght for DRGs.
But now I have heard that you need around 460 acc for Coil, an my acc right now is 446 (gear:http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1031522/. I do wonder if I had to get some of the Maiming acc for DRG. What do fellow DRGs at Coil think about this?
Thanks in advance
I don't know what better solution SE could have done for the tomes, but good grief is grinding AK/CM/Prae monotonous. It's absolutely ridiculous, but I can somewhat see why so many shouts need relic +1 for a lot of these LFG runs.
But I guess that's just the nature of the endgame grind.
On another note, what would be sufficient gear for Garuda HM? I just unlocked that and I'm seriously tempted to just give up on the Ifrit Bow. It only adds one more attack (and +3 or so of Dex) compared to the massive upgrade the Garuda bow would be, and I know I'll actually need the Garuda weapon for Titan.
But I guess that's just the nature of the endgame grind.
On another note, what would be sufficient gear for Garuda HM? I just unlocked that and I'm seriously tempted to just give up on the Ifrit Bow. It only adds one more attack (and +3 or so of Dex) compared to the massive upgrade the Garuda bow would be, and I know I'll actually need the Garuda weapon for Titan.
Yeah it definitely could be improved, but you don't HAVE to play the game every day and grind it out. Getting to the end of the story you've experienced the meat of the game - there's very little beyond it, and anything that takes excessive time and effort to get now will become easier over time. It's just the natural order for MMOs.
The "early adopter" premium for the latest and best top-end gear is a lot of your time.
edotlee
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Question guys.
When I was getting my DL accesories, I went to the Striking ones for my DRG (+Critical Hit rate) cause everywhere said Critical Hit is the best stat after Strenght for DRGs.
But now I have heard that you need around 460 acc for Coil, an my acc right now is 446 (gear:http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1031522/. I do wonder if I had to get some of the Maiming acc for DRG. What do fellow DRGs at Coil think about this?
Thanks in advance
IMO, you should go for Relic+1, if anything.
Absolutely. My next upgrade is going to be the relic+1 (well, I guess Ill get a maiming DL ring tomorrow).
Sadly, im still 2 weeks away from getting enough mythos (kind of regret getting the AF2 head now, but I wanted to gear up for Titan...)
If you're a Bard, the most efficient path for upgrading items isn't to get the Relic +1 first, but to get AF2 gloves, ring and pants. After that, Relic +1 is the best use of Tomes.
This is specific to Bard though because the +1 upgrade is really miniscule compared to other classes.
This is specific to Bard though because the +1 upgrade is really miniscule compared to other classes.
Relaxed Muscle
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the allagan were pretty boring with their colors
Pai Pai Master
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Same...I'm totally fine running AK. It's not really any different to me from sitting around in camp in FFXI for hours fighting the same mobs over and over again. At least you're constantly on the move in a dungeon and fighting a small variety of enemies. I would do all my runs on Mondays if the queue times weren't so bad.
SoraanTribal
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Well, he still has his GC chocobo from 1.0 as well. But I suggested he check for the chocobo quest at his Grand Company next time he logs on. He might have never actually done that first chocobo quest, lol. We'll see. xD
I debated this internally for a few days while getting my 900 tomes. I was either going to get WHM AF2 body or Relic +1. I eventually went with Relic+1 because it was a bigger boost to your heals than the AF2 body (or any other upgrade). And it's the best in slot weapon until Turn 5 (and beating Turn 5 is still really far away for my group - we're on Turn 4). Allagan WHM body is pretty good and drops from Turn 4 as well. So... I would recommend Relic+1, but totally up to you. Part of the reason why I wanted the AF2 body is because I am sick of the cowl, lol.
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I think people get PLD AF2 body because it looks far better than the ugly brown Allagan body. And people probably want to look like a PLD after spending so long looking like a black tin can in DL.
Pretty much this. In AK at least you get to play the game, practice rotations, ect.
In CM it's just wait wait wait
Pretty much this. In AK at least you get to play the game, practice rotations, ect.
In CM it's just wait wait wait
i guess maybe the two bosses i can, everything else dies too fast
Well, I guess I don't use my rotation with dots and stuff. However I do different aoe rotations!
CM is a pain to dodge mobs, its a longer path in terms of objectives, more things can go wrong (like poor positioning on the rocket launcher areas), and the bosses are annoying.
Prae is just 1-enemy boss fights except for laser nodes during 1st phase of final boss, it's quicker than CM if the party has relics, there's less running around and the Magitek section allows you to get a lot of spiritbind progress on a separate set of gear for Materia-conversion. Always run Prae for Phil Tomes, it's better in every department.
If you're a fresh 50 in AF gear, however, CM is better.
I don't envy you Dragoons. My rotation as Bard is simple as hell and I can keep deepsin while running around away from red shit. The most difficult thing is just figuring out how to sneak in my self-buffs to make sure that my DOTs are doing sexy damage.
Prae is just 1-enemy boss fights except for laser nodes during 1st phase of final boss, it's quicker than CM if the party has relics, there's less running around and the Magitek section allows you to get a lot of spiritbind progress on a separate set of gear for Materia-conversion. Always run Prae for Phil Tomes, it's better in every department.
If you're a fresh 50 in AF gear, however, CM is better.
I don't envy you Dragoons. My rotation as Bard is simple as hell and I can keep deepsin while running around away from red shit. The most difficult thing is just figuring out how to sneak in my self-buffs to make sure that my DOTs are doing sexy damage.
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