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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn |OT3| LFT Full Relic and DL Required
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ROBOKITTYZILLA
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As long as you didn't transfer to a Legacy server, I don't see why not. You might have to keep checking for when character creation is open though. Ultros doesn't seem to appear as an option when character creation is locked.
<insert Maple's Ifrit joke here>
Holy jesus healing Titan is hard. My FC has been busy and since Turn 5 is down I've had nothing to do so I've been going for SCH relic. Man when people die before Phase 5 it makes me sad as hell. And when the other healer dies I just get so stressed and can barely keep the tank up trying to manage Lusterates. Maybe I should just wait till my FC can help me out.
we.are.the.armada
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Hey fellow WARs, you guys get the feeling that we'll be pretty good in PVP?
Yes, but will self-heals be available I wonder? I heard in PvP all classes get different skills than the PvE content.
Warrior seems like it requires more work to play well. This is all subjective, because I don't have a 50 PLD, but I'm aware of their skills. I might be wrong about something, but it seems to me...
For single target mobs...
WAR cycles between 2 combos
PLD uses the same 1 combo
For multi mobs...
WAR has mp for ~4 flashes, limited number of Overpower... requires TP and is a directional cone (easy to miss mobs if you don't have them stacked in front of you)
PLD has Circle of Scorn and an unlimited number of flashes (thanks to riot blade), that are both multi-directional
Defensive CDs..
WAR has to combine his crap CDs to get a decent results... has to manage wrath stacks and has to react to damage with Inner Beast
PLD has simple, effective 1 button CDs
All this WAR talk reminded me of a pic I took with Rock the other day
Rock looks sad and the two of you warriors look dejected lol
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
It does take more work to play WAR, but that is why I like it more than PLD for my second class.
Pretty much this.
Make war do more damage based on damage received. Now self heals do more healing and scale with enemies.
Relaxed Muscle
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Circle of Scorn has shitty enmity generation and spamming Flash is far from ideal. At level 50 is way more effective to spread out your Halone combo and keep watching enmity bars to administrate your combo.
I'm still MRD 27-28, but is easier in that class that it was on PLD. Throw a Flash use a couple of overpwoers and enemies are for you for the rest of the fight.
I don't think anyone thinks war is bad for non-endgame content.
War has problems starting at endgame content, as exemplified by Titan HM.
Relaxed Muscle
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I'm specifing in the large mobs part (trash). I agree with the rest.
If you're having issues with your War tanks in AK runs, I'm sorry, but they're shitty.
I've run it with SCH, I've run it with WHM, there's no downtime, and the healer is always free to dps (in fact, I get annoyed with healers who only heal and never dps because it slows down the run).
If the healer is good enough, I actually prefer to aoe the dungeon, because Wars can throw out completely nuts aoe threat between overpower and steel cyclone (good litmus test - is your warrior using steel cyclone on multi target pulls and blowing his offensive cooldowns constantly yes/no? if no, your run is taking longer than it needs to).
War defensive cooldowns are inferior to Plds, but their self healing with inner beast, infuriate, thrill of battle, second wind, and bloodbath is significant for any dungeon. I've killed bosses with a dead healer.
(Storm's Path is utter garbage, but that's a separate issue
)
The thing about having spike damage with cooldowns is that it works really well for dungeons, because of the delay between pulls (on slower groups anyway, assuming you're not just mass pulling and aoeing), your cooldowns are always at least partially refreshed for each pack. This means you get to use that spike dps on fights that only last a short time - Plds have roughly equivalent dps over time, but thats more meaningful for lengthy single target boss fights than it is for dungeon trash, where you want them dead as fast as possible.
I've run it with SCH, I've run it with WHM, there's no downtime, and the healer is always free to dps (in fact, I get annoyed with healers who only heal and never dps because it slows down the run).
If the healer is good enough, I actually prefer to aoe the dungeon, because Wars can throw out completely nuts aoe threat between overpower and steel cyclone (good litmus test - is your warrior using steel cyclone on multi target pulls and blowing his offensive cooldowns constantly yes/no? if no, your run is taking longer than it needs to).
War defensive cooldowns are inferior to Plds, but their self healing with inner beast, infuriate, thrill of battle, second wind, and bloodbath is significant for any dungeon. I've killed bosses with a dead healer.
(Storm's Path is utter garbage, but that's a separate issue
)The thing about having spike damage with cooldowns is that it works really well for dungeons, because of the delay between pulls (on slower groups anyway, assuming you're not just mass pulling and aoeing), your cooldowns are always at least partially refreshed for each pack. This means you get to use that spike dps on fights that only last a short time - Plds have roughly equivalent dps over time, but thats more meaningful for lengthy single target boss fights than it is for dungeon trash, where you want them dead as fast as possible.
Yes, it's me.
Pai Pai Master
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Bringer Of Bacon
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Are server transfers open? I'm on sargento or whatever, should I transfer to ultros?
Pai Pai Master
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I don't think you can transfer from Legacy servers yet.
Bringer Of Bacon
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Wot. I didn't even realize it was a legacy server when I joined. Haha woops. Oh well... I'll probs just make a new character on ultros then. Some big boobed female archer
Flash/Scorn seems enough for everything outside of T4 Coil. Look at the WP speedruns with all the AoE. They hold hate just fine. They can run it faster than WARs too thanks to being able to mitigate dmg and allowing healers to dps.
I'd rather get a giant boar or something.The solution to Warrior issues is obvious. Give them a Pegasus mount (but it loses a wing in the quest story so it can't fly
I assumed it was legacy players only.
Did they cut out all legacy servers from jumping to anywhere but another legacy all together? Oh well.
Aside from that, popping a FoF + a str pot right before a scorn makes a marked improvement, but still I personally use Scorn as a way to fight against other DoT before I come back to the mob in question with a standard combo. In an average fight, flash/Scorn seems to do fine. The bigger issue is PLD have a marked problem in places like T4 with groups. Instead of overpowering the fuck out of everything and getting them all in one shot, you have to keep your enmity meters in check since you're better off going with a halone combo where it needs it the most.
Speedruns like WP and AK are another monster all together though, mitigation is indeed key.
God damnit I double posted instead of hitting edit.
Oops.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Sir Griffith
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diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
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Holy crap I feel dumb! I just noticed the + button next to the quote.
At least I'm still a junior; I'll blame my naivety on that.
uninstall
I only have a 32 PLD and a 25 MRD, but I don't like the tanking mechanics in this game at the moment. I feel like tanking in FFXI I had all the tools I needed, I just had to be smart enough to use them wisely. In FFXIV, I just feel like I spam the same combo over and over, tossing in a few extras here and there. I also feel like the DDs have way better options to fight for the hate, while I'm left hoping my one combo is enough to keep the mobs at bay.
I don't lose hate often, but I definitely don't enjoy tanking nearly as much as I enjoyed playing PLD in FFXI (pre-endgame). I'll eventually get PLD to 50 and at least get my WAR unlocked, but at the moment I don't have fun tanking in this game.
I don't lose hate often, but I definitely don't enjoy tanking nearly as much as I enjoyed playing PLD in FFXI (pre-endgame). I'll eventually get PLD to 50 and at least get my WAR unlocked, but at the moment I don't have fun tanking in this game.
dark_chris
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That'll be me, kind sir. I find it funny you were randomly like, "Hey, aren't you on Neogaf?" lol.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2335766/
That run was fun and it was always funny leaving the tank dead on the floor during battle.
Im hoping to GOD ALMIGHTY that SE puts a kick function in instances so we can kick trolls out.
Until 50, you really don't get all the tools you need.
Something like T4 and BC in general makes you really appreciate people who are efficient in their jobs. Tanking two drednauts, not keeping tanks alive and minimizing damage, maximizing your damage potential while keeping hate in check. It all becomes a very complex dance in some of those encounters that demands everyone's absolute attention.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Oh snap! A Square rep commented on the Twister bug in Turn 5: (potential spoilers removed)
Looks like "valiant group" is a clue and the Twisters aren't bugged.
Can't wait to get my group to 5 and test this out!
Looks like "valiant group" is a clue and the Twisters aren't bugged.
Can't wait to get my group to 5 and test this out!
That's fine. More and more people are realizing that twisters can be forced to do actual damage apparently and not just instakill if what I've heard down the grapevine is right.
Unknown Soldier
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If you're having issues with your War tanks in AK runs, I'm sorry, but they're shitty.
I've run it with SCH, I've run it with WHM, there's no downtime, and the healer is always free to dps (in fact, I get annoyed with healers who only heal and never dps because it slows down the run).
If the healer is good enough, I actually prefer to aoe the dungeon, because Wars can throw out completely nuts aoe threat between overpower and steel cyclone (good litmus test - is your warrior using steel cyclone on multi target pulls and blowing his offensive cooldowns constantly yes/no? if no, your run is taking longer than it needs to).
War defensive cooldowns are inferior to Plds, but their self healing with inner beast, infuriate, thrill of battle, second wind, and bloodbath is significant for any dungeon. I've killed bosses with a dead healer.
(Storm's Path is utter garbage, but that's a separate issue
The thing about having spike damage with cooldowns is that it works really well for dungeons, because of the delay between pulls (on slower groups anyway, assuming you're not just mass pulling and aoeing), your cooldowns are always at least partially refreshed for each pack. This means you get to use that spike dps on fights that only last a short time - Plds have roughly equivalent dps over time, but thats more meaningful for lengthy single target boss fights than it is for dungeon trash, where you want them dead as fast as possible.
No one cares about WAR vs. PLD for normal AK clears.
You need a PLD to execute the current version of the AK speed run. WAR can't do it, period, full stop.
The new WP speed run requires a PLD too.
tiggerkiddo
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How geared up do people have to be to do those crazy short runs in WP?
i got my ghost costume from gridania
This event just had to start the same day my sub ends. sounds braindead easy so its not that big of a deal
full allagan, relic + 2, no ps3
full allagan, relic + 2, no ps3
When I'm not raiding hardcore, this game is still fun. Doing some crafting leves, watching movies in the meantime, doing 1-2 dungeons per day. Feels good to have ilevel 70 weapons for every class, as well. Garuda is so fun.
Having some serious trouble with characters that are stuck in the dungeon sometimes. Like after a certain amount of time or lag spike, the tank suddenly isn't moving anymore. I don't know if that's package loss, as I play via wifi, but it's the first game where I experience this issue.
Having some serious trouble with characters that are stuck in the dungeon sometimes. Like after a certain amount of time or lag spike, the tank suddenly isn't moving anymore. I don't know if that's package loss, as I play via wifi, but it's the first game where I experience this issue.
It doesn't matter since you're resubbing right away, right?
That's actually not true, was running this with a warrior (sorry I don't remember who, was Krael or Raging I think?) and a summoner and bard, and we managed 20 mins even though the bard was a pretty recent level 50 (and summoners lack some aoe punch). We were pulling big groups, like the whole last part at once, and the healing wasn't too bad, I was even throwing some stance changes in.
Not making the argument they shouldn't balance the tank scales more though. If there's one class change I'd like to see, it's a buff on warriors. With the scholar job quests it feels like Scholars and Warriors should be designed to work well together, so it's always frustrating when you're in a high damage fight and you start having a heart attack from the damage spikes, wishing you could have been healing the nice, relaxing paladin instead.
Unknown Soldier
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Not particularly. As long as the tank doesn't die or lose mass aggro, the DPS can take as long as they need to AoE everything down.
Ya 20 min not that fast, get a pld and suddenly 10 min! /sarcasm
http://ns.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1omexz/wanderers_palace_speed_run_1013/
Yeah I was trying to point out that we didn't have relic +1 aoe dps, sorry that wasn't clear. (I've also been in a 15 min run with more aoe, where we pulled in basically the same groups.) All I'm saying is I'll bet a warrior could handle it
devious.one
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So we got our WP runs down to 12minutes, getting closer and closer to that JP groups 10:13 run...
But of course, they just posted a new record of 9:06 @.@
But of course, they just posted a new record of 9:06 @.@
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