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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn |OT3| LFT Full Relic and DL Required

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Foe Requiem is a good dmg boost to both BLM and WHM attacks, while Rain of Death lowers the dmg tank receives and BRD AoE capabilities are second to BLM and maybe DRG, which dosn't have foe requiem or lowers the dmg tank receives (and Doom Spike would probably not cut in this case...).

You can do very fast runs with other classes but to get that low BRD is necessary.

And they were crazy crazy geared there. I have 3600 hp in a light party, that bard almost had 4400.

You're cherry picking a video of really skilled players that are crazy geared. If you want anything here it should be to buff the others.
 

Ultrabum

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And they were crazy crazy geared there. I have 3600 hp in a light party, that bard almost had 4400.

You're cherry picking a video of really skilled players that are crazy geared. If you want anything here it should be to buff the others.

Personally I think the game already too easy, if you bring other class up to bard need to buff all the content. Much less work to just nerf bard.
 
And they were crazy crazy geared there. I have 3600 hp in a light party, that bard almost had 4400.

You're cherry picking a video of really skilled players that are crazy geared. If you want anything here it should be to buff the others.

My point is that you could bring other crazy geared jobs like MNK or DRG (same iLvl and all) and the time wouldn't be that low, because BRD superior utility skills and AoE dmg.

Or see above.
 

aceface

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Was wondering if anyone on the FC would be available to help with Hydra fight in a couple hours? I'm working on Bravura on WAR and unlocked that part of the quest yesterday.

My wife is also up to Hydra in the relic quest so when you are ready to do it post here and if I see it I'll tell her to go on.
 
can anyone here read japanese?

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Aeana

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I would love being more about songs and less about dps as a bard. :/

Sadly, you're in the minority. I have run into archers at 50 who refuse to turn into bards because "I ain't some shitty support, bitch." The obsession with DPS is so weird to me, in every MMO.
 

Alucrid

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Sadly, you're in the minority. I have run into archers at 50 who refuse to turn into bards because "I ain't some shitty support, bitch." The obsession with DPS is so weird to me, in every MMO.

Haha, that's awful. On the other hand I've ran into bards while leveling my whm who turn on Ballad as soon as the instance starts lol
 

Khatoz

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Haha, that's awful. On the other hand I've ran into bards while leveling my whm who turn on Ballad as soon as the instance starts lol

Well doing WP Speed Runs I ran into a Bard who didn't know that Ballad was needed in between pulls for the PLD to keep enough mana to keep flash spamming! :O
 

Teletraan1

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Tried Garuda HM through DF....never got past the part were the adds come out, tanks just tank them on top of the group and its over from there. I only tried 7 different groups so far, I guess ill keep going. Its usually 1 and done so you cant even instruct people on what to do or offer suggestions cause they bail after the first pull. Due to encountering so many bad tanks I am almost inclined to roll one myself just because I am not sure what they are thinking. Cleaving add management is like tanking 101 or at least tanking 201. Not sure why people cant seem to get the hang of it.
 

Ultrabum

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Tried Garuda HM through DF....never got past the part were the adds come out, tanks just tank them on top of the group and its over from there. I only tried 7 different groups so far, I guess ill keep going. Its usually 1 and done so you cant even instruct people on what to do or offer suggestions cause they bail after the first pull. Due to encountering so many bad tanks I am almost inclined to roll one myself just because I am not sure what they are thinking. Cleaving add management is like tanking 101 or at least tanking 201. Not sure why people cant seem to get the hang of it.

I think what kills some garuda HM groups is there are 2 tanks and 3 mobs and the dps have to go all out on the green add, so a dps or whm ends up cleaving everyone with the green add.
 
Tried Garuda HM through DF....never got past the part were the adds come out, tanks just tank them on top of the group and its over from there. I only tried 7 different groups so far, I guess ill keep going. Its usually 1 and done so you cant even instruct people on what to do or offer suggestions cause they bail after the first pull. Due to encountering so many bad tanks I am almost inclined to roll one myself just because I am not sure what they are thinking. Cleaving add management is like tanking 101 or at least tanking 201. Not sure why people cant seem to get the hang of it.

i notice that most garuda hm fights are thrown out the window because the white mage keeps using medica and stealing aggro away on red add.
 

Aeana

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i notice that most garuda hm fights are thrown out the window because the white mage keeps using medica and stealing aggro away on red add.

As someone who mains white mage, I will admit that the first time I did Garuda HM, it was hard for me to place enough trust in my party members in order to not heal during the time when the adds spawn until both tanks have their stuff situated. It's something healers have to learn, and sadly in one-off DF groups that break up after one attempt, that might not ever actually happen.
 
Tried Garuda HM through DF....never got past the part were the adds come out, tanks just tank them on top of the group and its over from there. I only tried 7 different groups so far, I guess ill keep going. Its usually 1 and done so you cant even instruct people on what to do or offer suggestions cause they bail after the first pull. Due to encountering so many bad tanks I am almost inclined to roll one myself just because I am not sure what they are thinking. Cleaving add management is like tanking 101 or at least tanking 201. Not sure why people cant seem to get the hang of it.

Speaking as a tank who has OT and MT that fight, I have a bigger problem with parties that don't seem to grasp the reach of either mob's AOE. MT has to keep moving her in that fight and when everyone keeps running around like chickens with their heads cut off, things can go bad fast. Add Suprana and Chirada on top of that and people just seem to purposefully have a deathwish in a sequence that simply doesn't allow a lot of movement. Healers can also have a lot of trouble being moderate with their abilities until the offtank grabs (and can hold) hate on the redline as well, so if she beelines for the healer, the party is probably gonna fall. A good tank will typically be able to get it under control, but not being able to doesn't always equate to a bad tank either.
 

elyetis

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Sadly, you're in the minority. I have run into archers at 50 who refuse to turn into bards because "I ain't some shitty support, bitch." The obsession with DPS is so weird to me, in every MMO.
Agreed, thought to be fair SE didn't handle the archer/bard situation very well. Things would be perfect if a second job, dps oriented, was available to archer ( ranger ? ).
Given they didn't have that at hand, and the duty finder limitation, they just could make bard a true support, and made it something in between, which I think, lack personality.

But things might change with time, between the addition of new jobs, and higher max lvl ( so new skill ), I imagine bard might become more specialised. But that's probably not before 1~2 years.
 

Teletraan1

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As someone who mains white mage, I will admit that the first time I did Garuda HM, it was hard for me to place enough trust in my party members in order to not heal during the time when the adds spawn until both tanks have their stuff situated. It's something healers have to learn, and sadly in one-off DF groups that break up after one attempt, that might not ever actually happen.

I learned this my first time getting to that part as well. I have been holding off heals as much as possible until things are situated. I am also saving my shroud for after they spawn if I get in trouble. Unfortunately things never seem to get situated lol. And you are right. I only have control over what I am doing in a 1 and done and I feel like a lot of people aren't learning why they failed in that situation. DF gonna DF I guess.
 
thank you, if i see you online later i may give you a shout :)

Yeah, if you haven't got a Titan win yet don't go to the mercs. If I'm on (Remiel) let myself or my brother (Renault) know that you need it. Even if it was a complete carry (which I've never had to do, everyone I've helped has done their part) I'd rather it be me and for free than a merc.
 
And they were crazy crazy geared there. I have 3600 hp in a light party, that bard almost had 4400.

You're cherry picking a video of really skilled players that are crazy geared. If you want anything here it should be to buff the others.

4400 HP is only acquired by using VIT materia on accessories. You need crazy HP levels to do turn 5. Here is a friend of mine who's doing Turn 5 currently. I'm still only on Turn 2 but I'm brand new to the game so I don't feel so bad.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
How are people so rich they can even afford things like 300k-700k!

I've only ever had like maybe 100k as my max, and needed to spend that on Relic weapon quest. Armorer market is just in constant race to the bottom, and levelling other crafting classes is laborious and costs even more money unless you have all gathering classes maxed as well. Other than ice-shards, Miner doesnt seem to fetch jack shit on market either ;___;

Hearing about Warrior buffs just makes me not want to pay for the month+ in between until they get here...
 

Mileena

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Because having 100% uptime is totally balanced.
It is because brd have more responsibility than other dps. DRG literally does nothing to enhance the group during any fight, just keep hitting buttons and jumping. You people make it sound like brd is broken like RNG or BRD in ffxi but its just not even close. Jealous plebs I guess.
 

Mandoric

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How are people so rich they can even afford things like 300k-700k!

I've only ever had like maybe 100k as my max, and needed to spend that on Relic weapon quest. Armorer market is just in constant race to the bottom, and levelling other crafting classes is laborious and costs even more money unless you have all gathering classes maxed as well. Other than ice-shards, Miner doesnt seem to fetch jack shit on market either ;___;

Hearing about Warrior buffs just makes me not want to pay for the month+ in between until they get here...

A leveled armorer should be able to make okay money just knocking out iron ingots from NPC mats, worst case. Actual armor will probably only sell well as HQs. Beyond that, you need to keep an eye on prices and things that might drive them, and respond - I'm up around 150k on the morning in an hour of mining because I did my daily price check and noticed that Coal Matter G3 was at 200 rather than its usual 40.

And if you're capped on a battle class you should be able to turn over 100k/hr plus just grinding Philo and converting it to ingredients.
 

Alucrid

Banned
It is because brd have more responsibility than other dps. DRG literally does nothing to enhance the group during any fight, just keep hitting buttons and jumping. You people make it sound like brd is broken like RNG or BRD in ffxi but its just not even close. Jealous plebs I guess.

In most fights bards don't even really need to play songs. They also only need to silence in a select few. Going from Dragoon to Monk to Bard, Bard is just ridiculously easy. In the first Ifrit HM I did with Bard I literally didn't move for half the fight.
 

Mileena

Banned
yea I'm just gonna switch to SMN. Them and BLM are op as fuck but at least SMN looks like it requires more than 4 buttons to play and they have a swag AF2 hat.

SE you gonna have to announce something good like DRK or NIN for me to play melee.
 

orion434

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How are people so rich they can even afford things like 300k-700k!

I've only ever had like maybe 100k as my max, and needed to spend that on Relic weapon quest. Armorer market is just in constant race to the bottom, and levelling other crafting classes is laborious and costs even more money unless you have all gathering classes maxed as well. Other than ice-shards, Miner doesnt seem to fetch jack shit on market either ;___;.

You can mine Alumen which is lv 19... it has it's highs & lows, but always in demand. Your best bet for steady Gil at a relative low is to mine Crystals, that's lv 26. Mining by itself Isn't going to generate massive Gil, find what HQ Class Turn-ins are and list them in singles, do the same for triple turn-in Leves, Culinarian is great for this because people don't want to clutter their inventory for a single HQ Quest Turn-in.
 

RPGCrazied

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Anyone know where I can read about the story past Titan? I don't think I'm going to sub after all at the moment. My back log is so big I don't have time for the game anymore.
 

BLCKATK

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In most fights bards don't even really need to play songs. They also only need to silence in a select few. Going from Dragoon to Monk to Bard, Bard is just ridiculously easy. In the first Ifrit HM I did with Bard I literally didn't move for half the fight.

Solo BRD on Turn 4 I had to sing my ass off. It was a blast. I hope more fights make me manage my songs more because I had to manage my tp, my mp, and make sure I had Ballad/Paeon off in time to pull out the big numbers.

In the later fights when the difficulty ramps up, BRD gets real.
 
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