Londa said:Or instead of waiting for tickets you can grow some balls and send me a pm with all your stupid name calling. But you most likely wont because the last two I ask to take the insults to PM chickened out.
Yes I went there. Because this dude targeted me when all I was doing was saying my perspective on the market search. I did not claim to say my opinion on the search was everyones opinion. I bet if my comment came from a different user, you wouldn't have replied.
Once again this topic is about FFXIV, not me. So take it to pms.
Londa said:I tried to use tge market place last night and I love the new changes. Its much more easier to find the things you want.
Londa said:Its also nice that you can view all items. That way you can find the best equipment for your rank.
DrDogg said:It doesn't show all items. It only shows the items that have been up for sale on retainers in the proper wards. Eventually that will be all items, but with the current server population, it'll be awhile.
Londa said:Does it matter? Its not suppose to be a datamine for items. I want to know what items are selling at the moment. Not what is in the dats. If people would read and not throw everything on one retainer and in the wrong wards, all items on sell will be shown.
Londa said:your opinion.
I'm speaking mines.
That about sums it up.
Londa said:Or instead of waiting for tickets you can grow some balls and send me a pm with all your stupid name calling. But you most likely wont because the last two I ask to take the insults to PM chickened out.
Yes I went there. Because this dude targeted me when all I was doing was saying my perspective on the market search. I did not claim to say my opinion on the search was everyones opinion. I bet if my comment came from a different user, you wouldn't have replied.
Once again this topic is about FFXIV, not me. So take it to pms.
So, you're saying that not having a search is easier to find the things that aren't in the correct ward than having the search? That doesn't make sense at all.DrDogg said:First and foremost, it's not much easier to find the things you want. In fact, for most casual players, it will be harder. Because if the item they want is not in the proper section, they'll never find it. Even I don't have the heart to browse through every ward in hopes I find a specific item, despite the fact that it will be highlighted with a star above the retainer and a red dot on the map. It's just demoralizing to spend 20 minutes searching every ward to not find the item you want.
Dreamwriter said:So, you're saying that not having a search is easier to find the things that aren't in the correct ward than having the search? That doesn't make sense at all.
And 90% of the time casual players won't be searching for obscure alchemy ingredients, most of the time they'll be searching for armor, weapons, clothes, jewelry. Which is is HELL of a lot easier to find with the search. Don't just say because you had a horrible time in one single instance that everyone will have horrible times every time they want to find something.
Dreamwriter said:And you know what, I don't spend 20 minutes searching every ward for something. If the search doesn't find any of the item I need, I assume nobody is selling it and move on. Only the hardest of hardcore players will decide to ignore the search results and look for someone selling something in the wrong ward.
Margalis said:Sometimes when you do a search you get back an item that has a zero quantity next to it. Does this mean that the item exists in the game world but is not for sale, or that it is for sale but not in the proper ward?
It means that the item(s) you want are in the wrong ward. So have fun looking through the rest of the wards to find it.Margalis said:Sometimes when you do a search you get back an item that has a zero quantity next to it. Does this mean that the item exists in the game world but is not for sale, or that it is for sale but not in the proper ward?
hgplayer1 said:I think its either youve owned that item before so it searches it, or its been in the wards before so it lists it.
It means that the item(s) you want are in the wrong ward. So have fun looking through the rest of the wards to find it.
Rentahamster said:It means that the item(s) you want are in the wrong ward. So have fun looking through the rest of the wards to find it.
Hmm, I guess this could be the case too. I didn't want to test it further since I'd rather go pound nails in my dick.DrDogg said:Although it's still very possible the item is found in the wrong ward since the search ignores anything listed in the wrong ward.
DrDogg said:This is incorrect. It's setup similar to FFXI. The item shows up if it's been for sale in the correct ward at some point in time. So if you see the name of the item, but it has a zero next to it, the item was available at one point, but is not currently. Although it's still very possible the item is found in the wrong ward since the search ignores anything listed in the wrong ward.
Unfortunately, this gets reset every time there's maintenance or a ward crashes.
If it's a really important item, I'll still search for it, then just run through all the wards to see if any retainers are highlighted. Luckily the system will highlight a retainer with the item you're searching for whether it's in the correct ward or not... even if the item shows up with a zero.
You said the search made it harder. That makes no sense. And it IS "much more easier". In the search you can browse through tons of items right now, see which ones are for your class and rank, and see what their stats are, thus being able to choose what you want. Compare that to before when you are just randomly going through the ward with no organization whatsoever, seeing if you can find something your class/rank can use, and if you find one, continuing to look to see if there's a better one. And once you decide on an item, then you have to remember where you saw it, and if you saw a cheaper one and if so where that one was. It was extremely crappy, and the only thing that made it at all usable for me and my friends were we would work together in different parts, helping each other out ("I found some rank 14 boots GLA can use, do you need some? They have stats X, X, X and X")DrDogg said:Londa said "it's much more easier". That's a bold statement. It's slightly easier, but only if the item you want is on a retainer in the proper ward, which is only the case maybe 50% of the time, at best. I only said it was harder in the sense that, as you clearly stated, people will not look if the item doesn't show up.
See, I seriously doubt you've found literally no rank-appropriate equipment for all those classes. I look and I see a ton of stuff for all classes and ranks. Heck, the low-rank equipment wards are one of the most crowded with retainers. On my first try I even found a belt for my THM, for some reason belts have been hard to come by for me other than the big rope belt.DrDogg said:I've been looking for low rank weapons for my MAR, PUG, GLA, ARC and LNC since the search was added. I still haven't found what I want for GLA, MAR or LNC and just last night found the PUG weapon I've been looking for.
Dreamwriter said:Maybe you are only looking for very specific items, the best of the best, and ignoring everything else? You'll never be able to find that stuff for all ranks and all classes, no matter how good an AH is. Because people have to actually craft the things. For a long time my static party's ARC was looking for a specific bow with a carbon-fibre string. But very few crafters found it worth making that bow. So he had to make due with a slightly worse one. Now at least he'd know within just a couple minutes if anyone had made one, and if not he'd be able to see right there what all his alternatives were.
Quick note - the game should not be inhibiting enough so that only the "hardest of the hardcore players" have any chance of finding a certain item. As long as the item is in existence and for sale, buys should be able to easily and quickly contact sellers without hassle.Dreamwriter said:Only the hardest of hardcore players will decide to ignore the search results and look for someone selling something in the wrong ward.
Londa said:fyi, I am also looking for illuminating salts. Its seems that the only way to get this, is to know a fisherman for blind fish, or get it to drop from a mob. Sucks? yes.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. The only way I can think of for someone to not be able to easily find low-rank gear for 5 classes using the new search system is if they are looking for the best of the best, things like the Calvary Bow, rather than just grabbing decent rank-appropriate stuff.Unknown Soldier said:This part doesn't make any sense to me. ARC wants to progress through Ash Longbow -> Weevil Bow -> Oak Composite Bow -> Crab Bow. Those bows are all readily available. Unless he's looking for the Armored Cavalry Bow, which is a Carpenter r50 synth for no good reason, he shouldn't have any problem finding a bow for his rank right now.
Dreamwriter said:That's exactly what I'm talking about. The only way I can think of for someone to not be able to easily find low-rank gear for 5 classes using the new search system is if they are looking for the best of the best, things like the Calvary Bow, rather than just grabbing decent rank-appropriate stuff.
Londa said:fyi, I am also looking for illuminating salts. Its seems that the only way to get this, is to know a fisherman for blind fish, or get it to drop from a mob. Sucks? yes.
Unknown Soldier said:Not only that, but you're going to be progressing past any item not the highest available when you're rank 50 anyways. You're wasting gil and time if you don't just buy what you see available and get on with the ranking up of your job.
Furthermore at this point you should know or at least know of crafters who are high enough rank that they can easily make you anything you need that's a mid-rank item.
Londa said:DrDogg. I used the search last night and found the blindfish. So the search is helpful. You just need to wait for the items to be on sale.
Dreamwriter said:See, I seriously doubt you've found literally no rank-appropriate equipment for all those classes. I look and I see a ton of stuff for all classes and ranks. Heck, the low-rank equipment wards are one of the most crowded with retainers. On my first try I even found a belt for my THM, for some reason belts have been hard to come by for me other than the big rope belt.
Maybe you are only looking for very specific items, the best of the best, and ignoring everything else? You'll never be able to find that stuff for all ranks and all classes, no matter how good an AH is. Because people have to actually craft the things. For a long time my static party's ARC was looking for a specific bow with a carbon-fibre string. But very few crafters found it worth making that bow. So he had to make due with a slightly worse one. Now at least he'd know within just a couple minutes if anyone had made one, and if not he'd be able to see right there what all his alternatives were.
DrDogg said:And guess what? I do expect to be able to find the weapon I'm looking for. Given how few weapons are in the game, it shouldn't be all that hard to find. Take MAR for example. There are four weapons available between 1 and 20 (1, 6, 10 and 20). I was looking for the r10 weapon. You're telling me that I should be happy with the r6 weapon or go way above my rank and get the r20 weapon? It's too much to ask that I get the r10 weapon when it's the ONLY MAR weapon between 7 and 19? That's just ridiculous.
Azrael said:Crafters don't make the Bronze Labrys because NPCs sell them for 43k. If you're looking for R1-20 gear check a site like YG first because if an NPC sells it cheap, there's no player market for the item. Just buy the R10 ax from the NPC.
Rentahamster said:Rabbit helms coming on New Years Eve.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=cabbeb00d358e4094dd880f6cc81f7fd70c658e3
Hopefully the patch to put those in does more than just bunny hats.
How are they gonna take out the christmas theme and put in the new years theme?Londa said:No patch is needed. These items were added when the Christmas event items were added.
Closure.Teknoman said:What fate lies in store for Eorzea in the coming year...?
You said the patch to put the items in, I said they are already in the game. Shocking I know.Rentahamster said:How are they gonna take out the christmas theme and put in the new years theme?
Um...what?Londa said:You said the patch to put the items in, I said they are already in the game. Shocking I know.
Now you are just being petty/silly.
...Londa said:Patches are to add, remove and fix things like bugs and glitches. They can turn things on and off while its still in the dats. Why would they remove the christmas event dats, only to make us download the bells and chocobo decorations and items again?
Rentahamster said:...
#1 I know those items are already in the DAT files. We discussed them before.
Hopefully the patch to put those in does more than just bunny hats.
Rentahamster said:#2 Why are you accusing me of arguing techincalities/semantics and being petty/silly when you are the one who brought up the technicality in the first place?
Rentahamster said:#3 It's not a good idea to piss off the few posters who try to give you the benefit of the doubt and are at least understanding and charitable towards your posts here and who try to keep an open mind about what you have to say.
There's a difference between having an item in the DAT files and having an item in the game. You seen anyone running around with a bunny hat yet? Didn't think so.Londa said:Then don't say
No kidding.Londa said:Actually all I said AT FIRST was that the dats were there in the game already.
Because I was clarifying my statement for you. Somehow you took it mean that I was being petty/silly when I had no such intention.Londa said:It was you who talked about removing the Christmas event only by doing a patch.
Your first reply that "The items are in the DAT files, therefore they are in the game" IS a technicality. No shit they're in the DAT files. However, they're not in the game.Londa said:It was After reading that, that I began to go into so called "technicalities".
You responded to me and decided in your own little world that I was trying to get on your case when I didn't even address you to begin with.Londa said:You yourself sit around trolling me in this very topic. Now you want to pretend to be reasonable.:lol
Rentahamster said:There's a difference between having an item in the DAT files and having an item in the game. You seen anyone running around with a bunny hat yet? Didn't think so.
No kidding.
Because I was clarifying my statement for you. Somehow you took it mean that I was being petty/silly when I had no such intention.
This question, this one simple question: "How are they gonna take out the christmas theme and put in the new years theme?" Qualifies as being petty/silly from your point of view?
Your first reply that "The items are in the DAT files, therefore they are in the game" IS a technicality. No shit they're in the DAT files. However, they're not in the game.
Let me put it this way: I was making a comment about the items not being in the game, and you decided to respond with "Oh ho HO! But TECHNICALLY they are in the game! They're in the DAT files!"
You responded to me and decided in your own little world that I was trying to get on your case when I didn't even address you to begin with.
Wrong again.Londa said:Anyways, most would think that you expected a patch to add items to the game along with more game fixes, if they were to read your first statement that started this whole discussion.
"to hope" != "to expect"Rentahamster said:Hopefully the patch to put those in does more than just bunny hats.
All I asked was, "How are they gonna take out the christmas theme and put in the new years theme?". In what universe of yours does that constitute me taking your comment as an attack? You then proceed to label my simple question as being "silly/petty" when it was obviously not. I'm not the one who's insecure here.Londa said:You took my comment as an attack because you are insecure.
In debate class, this kind of statement directly translates to "I've lost the argument horribly and I give up".Londa said:There really isn't a reason to talk about this stupid issue anymore. Its boring and lame.
Londa said:First of all. They can't ban me so I don't care