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Final Fantasy XIV |OT| ARR: Alpha Closed. Beta mid-Feb
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Man, the list of coming changes is insane. I plan on rerolling anyway, I think, but how the hell are they going to keep any character progress with, uh... most of these?
It is pretty ridiculous that they still haven't decided on an AH. With the Materia system coming, I think you could limit an AH to just NQ basic gear and synthesis materials and use the bazaars for HQ and augmented items. One of the biggest reasons the bazaars are such a failure is because the game is so crafting oriented and all the disciplines are interconnected, so making it difficult to find materials makes it impossible to provide basic gameplay elements.
It is pretty ridiculous that they still haven't decided on an AH. With the Materia system coming, I think you could limit an AH to just NQ basic gear and synthesis materials and use the bazaars for HQ and augmented items. One of the biggest reasons the bazaars are such a failure is because the game is so crafting oriented and all the disciplines are interconnected, so making it difficult to find materials makes it impossible to provide basic gameplay elements.
Ravidrath said:
They could just give everyone as many attribute points as they would normally have at that class rank, and then let them redistribute as necessary...or just turn on auto-distribute and all points would go where a default "insert class here" would have them. The actions...im not so sure, since I dunno if anything will be removed or simply improved/adjusted. The action bar is going to be totally different apparently, and the equipment probably wont change ranks required, but will have stats totally or partially rearranged.
I really kind of don't understand how classes and jobs work together. Even though they specifically say they are not advanced versions of classes, they still sound like that to me.
My best guess is that the only reason they're keeping both is so they don't completely wipe out character progress, but I can't imagine people caring about classes once Jobs go in?
Perhaps it'll be like this...
For example, getting Rank 50 in Conjurer and 25 in Thaumaturge would unlock Black Mage. After completing the quest, you'd be able to start leveling Black Mage from Rank 1.
I do like the removal of Physical levels, and instead making it basically merit points for stats within a Class/Job. This means everyone will have at least a base level of performance, and you're specializing on top of that, instead of everyone having wildly disparate stats across all classes.
My best guess is that the only reason they're keeping both is so they don't completely wipe out character progress, but I can't imagine people caring about classes once Jobs go in?
Perhaps it'll be like this...
* Jobs are unlocked by getting multiple classes to a specific rank - i.e. 50
* Classes are limited to rank 50
* Jobs are effectively replacements for Rank 51+
* Classes are limited to rank 50
* Jobs are effectively replacements for Rank 51+
For example, getting Rank 50 in Conjurer and 25 in Thaumaturge would unlock Black Mage. After completing the quest, you'd be able to start leveling Black Mage from Rank 1.
I do like the removal of Physical levels, and instead making it basically merit points for stats within a Class/Job. This means everyone will have at least a base level of performance, and you're specializing on top of that, instead of everyone having wildly disparate stats across all classes.
Ravidrath said:
Actually, If I understand it correctly, Jobs both allow and restrict certain abilities.
So say you wanted to go PLD on gladiator, get glad to whatever rank is needed to unlock the job, do the quest, then "equip" that job.
Once you have PLD "equipped", you can no longer use certain glad abilities that don't seem to fit the PLD play style (whatever that ends up being in this game), but at the same time it allows you to quest for PLD based actions and abilities that you couldn't equip unless your job is set to PLD.
Hmm, that makes sense, I guess.
Sounds like it'd probably come with stat bonuses to enhance that particular role, too? So a Gladiator with PLD would likely get a giant VIT boost, while with WAR it'd get a giant STR boost? Basically replacing the jobliness of trying to create those types of roles with the Physical level stats, with some elements of an instant-respec built in.
Uh, so do Jobs level up then? Like, will my PLD become better if I spent more time leveling my GLD with it than with WAR? Or is that now just a gear consideration?
Sounds like it'd probably come with stat bonuses to enhance that particular role, too? So a Gladiator with PLD would likely get a giant VIT boost, while with WAR it'd get a giant STR boost? Basically replacing the jobliness of trying to create those types of roles with the Physical level stats, with some elements of an instant-respec built in.
Uh, so do Jobs level up then? Like, will my PLD become better if I spent more time leveling my GLD with it than with WAR? Or is that now just a gear consideration?
Ravidrath said:
This I'm not sure on. Though from whats being said, jobs merely enhance a specific playstyle and don't require ranks on their own. If anything, I expect once you unlock a job, you'll have a bunch of traits and abilities from the base job itself + more abilities and traits that you can unlock based on your class rank.
I'm thinking about just letting the stats auto assign when that happens, so I just have to worry about skills and equipment again. Thats one thing that always got me in Diablo II...stat freedom, so I wouldn't know if I was "doing it right". Of course I never had any problems in parties, so maybe i'm thinking too much.
Rentahamster
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Although, when you think about it, Diablo II wan't really stat freedom at all. nearly every single viable build pretty much followed the formula of "points into as much STR as you need to wear gear, then put the rest into VIT". There's not really any point in freely assigning stat points if everyone's is gonna do it the same way anyway.Teknoman said:
This is the reason they are going with automatically assigning stat points for Diablo III.
Rentahamster said:
True. Yeah, probably just go with auto-assign either way. Too much stuff to worry about with battles, skills, equipment and everything (hopefully).
Oh btw:
[dev1076] Creation of job assets
Development of graphical assets for each job such as equipment
Go nuts with suggestions.
Munba
Member
Another video about unimplemented areas... islands!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4M1hx41WXk
And personal ship docks (there are jumping fishes too °_°),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2ll4CogIE&feature=related
I'd pay to have a personal boat to visit them (every unique of course) in the future..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4M1hx41WXk
And personal ship docks (there are jumping fishes too °_°),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2ll4CogIE&feature=related
I'd pay to have a personal boat to visit them (every unique of course) in the future..
Unknown Soldier
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Eccocid said:What shall i do now lol
I am rank 15 now and still doing leves at that boring desert around Ul'dan
I loved how FFXI forced u to move to a new area in every 5 levels with totally different visuals...
You'll be doing leves in the Thanalan zone until rank 50...
Have a fun! :3
Eccocid said:What shall i do now lol
I am rank 15 now and still doing leves at that boring desert around Ul'dan
I loved how FFXI forced u to move to a new area in every 5 levels with totally different visuals...
Unknown Soldier said:
Sadly, Unkown isnt lying. lol
You CAN walk to Grid or take the boat to Limsa though but yeah you'll probably spend most of your time in boreville(uldah) and thanalan camps.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Troof.Unknown Soldier said:
lol
D:
Jinko said:
Square tries to do everything super-efficiently on the server side of things, since that's the most expensive part of running an MMO. It's why they merged AHs in XI, it's why there isn't an AH in XIV, and it's why they have been recently working through XI to give people reasons to use all the zones for the entire game.
You can't shut down zones, so zones people don't use are expensive. So they designed the content with this in mind from the beginning.
I'm sure there's a way a more technically proficient company could write a system to dynamically allocate server capacity so that empty zones are minimally expensive, but my guess is that Square isn't that technically proficient.
I don't think that true tbh.
And in all honesty the market wards causes much more server stress and crashing issues than a basic AH ever would, which in turn cause more work and are more expensive to run.
Also the 5 main zones are segmented into zones, each aethryte in this game has its own zone pretty much, they are just seamlessly (well that's debatable at times) linked together.
I think Renta had a poll over on the forums about it and think the majority were in favor of small loaded zones like 11 instead of the large boring ones in 14.
And in all honesty the market wards causes much more server stress and crashing issues than a basic AH ever would, which in turn cause more work and are more expensive to run.
Also the 5 main zones are segmented into zones, each aethryte in this game has its own zone pretty much, they are just seamlessly (well that's debatable at times) linked together.
I think Renta had a poll over on the forums about it and think the majority were in favor of small loaded zones like 11 instead of the large boring ones in 14.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Coldsnap said:
Type-0 (formerly known as Agito XIII) is a single-player game for PSP. A little different, I would think. Not that I'm defending FFXIV here, I'm not, but there's a difference between single-player RPGs and MMOGs.
I also failed to mention, not only are you going to be in Thanalan/Ul'dah from rank 1-50, past about rank mid-20's or so (which you get in 1 day), you only do the same 4 leves over and over again ad infinitum from rank 20's to 50, excluding behests: Necrologos: Levinshower, All Cracked Up, Necrologos: Ranine Reveries, and Dunesfolk for Dinner. That's ALL you will do, because those leves reward the most SP and nobody does any other ones. Once you've hit rank 50, since there is no content whatsoever all you can do after that is repeat the climb to rank 50 with another battle job, grind a crafting or gathering job to 50, or quit. Are you anticipating having fun yet?
Quit and join me in Tera already. What the hell are you waiting for, the Rapture? :3
Alex
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I really doubt any of this is true. They probably merged AH's in FFXI for convenience (they did this in WoW and in other MMOs too for the same reason) and didn't add one in XIV because the development team was completely inept.
The actual data transfer cost in these games is far, far below live development and customer support and usually not a chief concern unless it's digging into performance or lagging down servers.
If they wanted to go to such lengths, they wouldn't have so many stupid ass things in their games that need to talk to the server, creating really laggy menus and checks for simple things.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Emenis said:
Why do you think I quit FFXIV? I'm always busy trying to disrupt people's comfortable predictable routines and thoughts. It works better on some people than others though, you guys can't seem to take a hint. :3
Well, have it your way. Even before I quit for good, the last few weeks after the earthquake all I did was stand still in town and chat. The game had become nothing but a chatroom for me with people I thought I could call my friends. At some point I had to quit, so when a convenient reason arrived for me to do that, I did. I kinda hoped some of you who I had thought of as friends would come with me to the next game, but I guess I was far too optimistic there. Very well, you'll get what you want there, I'll leave you guys alone from now on.
Unknown Soldier said:
hahaha
I didn't mean it that way! Shi and I don't even play anymore or at least until the patch next month. To be honest I don't even know what I want to do. XD Cheer up! I have nothing against you. lol
Anyway, yeah it seems that SE just really isn't used to PC development. Which is kinda weird considering they spent so much time on 11. Those are different teams though aren't they?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yep.Jinko said:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/10196-Poll-Seamless-CopyPaste-VS.-Zones-Variety
114 vs 16 ppl who prefer variety over seamless, if they had to choose. In any other competently-designed game, however, you wouldn't have to choose. You'd have both.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
lol don't take it so personal. There's a lot of reasons why it's not feasible at the moment to play Tera.Unknown Soldier said:
Man i thought this game would be nice for killing time till the release od Dark Souls. I am rank 17 now and already got bored to death.
Till rank 17 and all those endless quests maybe i had interaction with other ppl in the game...3 times?(not counting LS chat). Once i had that defend the area thing around the camp with few other random ppl (lol my first party), once i asked for some directions to a stranger and last night i healed a random guy when he was killing dodos lol. I keep asking to ppl join to levequests around my rank but no one even bothers or replies.
Till rank 17 and all those endless quests maybe i had interaction with other ppl in the game...3 times?(not counting LS chat). Once i had that defend the area thing around the camp with few other random ppl (lol my first party), once i asked for some directions to a stranger and last night i healed a random guy when he was killing dodos lol. I keep asking to ppl join to levequests around my rank but no one even bothers or replies.
Eccocid said:Man i thought this game would be nice for killing time till the release od Dark Souls. I am rank 17 now and already got bored to death.
Till rank 17 and all those endless quests maybe i had interaction with other ppl in the game...3 times?(not counting LS chat). Once i had that defend the area thing around the camp with few other random ppl (lol my first party), once i asked for some directions to a stranger and last night i healed a random guy when he was killing dodos lol. I keep asking to ppl join to levequests around my rank but no one even bothers or replies.
Yea there is a really crappy community in this game, its probably best to organize something with LS members (assuming they are still playing)
You have picked an awkward time to start playing as many people are taking a break until the mega patch (well we can hope) hits in mid June.
I would suggest trying to get a class to 30 so that when they release the new dungeons you will be able to take part as soon as you have installed the patch.
Even though I dont play as much as usual, for obvious reasons, I had no idea people repeat the same leves over and over. I usually pick by reward, and then ask if anyone wants to join.
But yeah, I guess thats another reason why no one really talks aside from LS members (well sometimes you'll get the odd conversation if you try to talk to someone within reason) is that there really isnt any real reason for cooperation at the moment...and some people you have to force to cooperate.
That and the upcoming patches that are set to start a substantial revamp make people not want to progress too much.
I'll probably be messing around with marauder later today though.
But yeah, I guess thats another reason why no one really talks aside from LS members (well sometimes you'll get the odd conversation if you try to talk to someone within reason) is that there really isnt any real reason for cooperation at the moment...and some people you have to force to cooperate.
That and the upcoming patches that are set to start a substantial revamp make people not want to progress too much.
I'll probably be messing around with marauder later today though.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Ecco, there's probably a LS around that has more members who play during EU hours. Post on the official forums to ask.
Also, I see if I can get you a pearl to another LS that I am in. At this point, you kinda need multiple LSes to find other ppl.
Also, I see if I can get you a pearl to another LS that I am in. At this point, you kinda need multiple LSes to find other ppl.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No prob, dude. Welcome back!
Aaaand...here's yet another megathread by me, dealing with the topic of gil sinks
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/11434-DevTalk-GIL-SINKS!-Ideas-to-Stabilize-the-Economy-and-Curb-Inflation
Aaaand...here's yet another megathread by me, dealing with the topic of gil sinks
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/11434-DevTalk-GIL-SINKS!-Ideas-to-Stabilize-the-Economy-and-Curb-Inflation
Micromegas
Member
Any news of the PS3 version? Seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.
Micromegas said:
Yes:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...of-PC-Hardware?p=131626&viewfull=1#post131626
The Elite
BOSS
Just started the game and the interface does a really shitty job of telling you where you should be going next. How the hell did you guys figure it out? I just did a leve quest solo and killed through hare's. Went back to the city and I'm not sure what to do next. The little person told me to visit the coliseum but I have no idea where the fuck it is and there is no clear marker for it on my map. I need my hand held!
DoctorWho said:
Actually you get markers for your quest on map but not in normal game map which opens by pressing "M".
Open up menu go to journal select your quest and you will see some options on that window like Abandon Cancel and MAP.. Only that map will show you where to go!
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