Sentinel helps alot. I guess some of the shield abilities if you're a one hand wand user. Pugilist, second wind and featherfoot if you get aggro. Speaking of which, I guess I need to go ahead and start leveling that tomorrow.
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Sentinel helps alot. I guess some of the shield abilities if you're a one hand wand user. Pugilist, second wind and featherfoot if you get aggro. Speaking of which, I guess I need to go ahead and start leveling that tomorrow.
staticneuron
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What does this mean exactly? The new Jobs have their own levels alongside class requirements?
I hope they re-balance the Ifirit and Moogles fight to accommodate. Seeing as Dragoon won't have access to skills like sentinel anymore surviving hell fire would be very difficult. I think they will though or the game will face the same problem of class stacking which like some of us discussed tonight is abit tiresome.
I hope they release some more info on new gear as well I am interested to see how many new pieces each class will get.
I hope they release some more info on new gear as well I am interested to see how many new pieces each class will get.
ZiZ
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Sentinel and Second Wind (if you have TP) are always handy, I suppose in Moogle featherfoot may come in useful, MP back and increased evasion.
I think they are using the same ingredients but different combinations, I've not seen Tinolqa Mistletoe before though, so maybe some new items aswell.
No new recipes for Clusters which is disappointing.
Xux
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More like the exact opposite. The Jobs share their level with the base class.
Yeah, they are just saying that whatever exp you get while playing as a job, gets fed back into the base class.
Also:
ジョブとクラスの専用装備については、
For Job and Class specific equipment:
ジョブ専用装備・・・パーティプレイ特化のパラメータに
JSE - Has parameters aimed towards increasing party play
クラス専用装備・・・ソロプレイを意識しつつ、汎用性を持たせたパラメータに
CSE - Has parameters for more overall use keeping solo play in mind.
と、それぞれ方向性を分けることを検討しています。
まだまだ調整/検討中の段階ではありますが、また進捗があればお知らせいたします。
We are looking into separating the direction the gears (JSE/CSE) are goign to take.
We are still at the stage of making adjustments and looking into this but once we have an update will let you know.
Also:
ジョブとクラスの専用装備については、
For Job and Class specific equipment:
ジョブ専用装備・・・パーティプレイ特化のパラメータに
JSE - Has parameters aimed towards increasing party play
クラス専用装備・・・ソロプレイを意識しつつ、汎用性を持たせたパラメータに
CSE - Has parameters for more overall use keeping solo play in mind.
と、それぞれ方向性を分けることを検討しています。
まだまだ調整/検討中の段階ではありますが、また進捗があればお知らせいたします。
We are looking into separating the direction the gears (JSE/CSE) are goign to take.
We are still at the stage of making adjustments and looking into this but once we have an update will let you know.
Depends what you are interested in really. My personal opinion is I would focus on leveling all the jobs regardless at this point. Initially I'd focus on one that you really want but knowing the way this game ends up going some strategy will be found for whatever event making certain classes more desirable. I don't see them balancing much at this point but I could be wrong.
I just hope the jobs really do work much better in parties than classes. Looking at how they're 3 classes put together + extra job abilities, they seem pretty close to what the team made them out to be...but I guess in game battles will prove that.
The comment on Job Specific Equipment and Class Specific Equipment seems to drive that point as well.
The comment on Job Specific Equipment and Class Specific Equipment seems to drive that point as well.
ROBOKITTYZILLA
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This is pretty much how I expected things to work, so no surprises there. I wonder why they don't just cap the classes at 30 so all players start using the new job system at that point? I guess they want to leave the base class system and broader cross class abilities for solo play.
Even still, looking at the job abilities + class that they're able to access, some jobs seem like they would still be great for soloing. Of course after more class specific equipment is implemented, then we'll probably see a clear difference. Hopefully Black Mage + Freeze (Blizzaga?) will put a huge dent in Ifrit. Glad Paladin gets to keep provoke...because now i'll get to be the ultimate tank. Not sure how far I should push conjurer though...unless the higher tier cure spells are that much better, regardless of aoe.
The way I see it is that the base classes are far more flexible in what you can equip. A THM can use a shield and shield skills for example as well as Stoneskin, Cure, the AoE ability, and CON elemental skills. A BLM however cannot use any of the skills and trades them off for Convert, more crowd control spells, and additional damage spells. So you can see that are situations when both would be more desirable. DD jobs not able to use PUG and MAR lose Bloodbath, Second Wind, and other great abilities. You can remain as a class and keep those abilities, which can be more beneficial in some situations then their job abilities.
Thanks, that makes more sense to me now. One last question, how long is the trip to 50? Is leveling multiple classes possible without insane grinds?
It depends it can go really slow or fast depending if you can get into good exp parties. Generally if your playing with us on Lindblum someone can help you out with some exp and what not. Honestly focus on a single new class for now that you would like to play most.
The reason I suggest this since from your post I assume you have lower classes is that maybe they will change enough and balance things out so that you don't need to do all the classes. If this is the case then less worry but if they mess up and things become unbalanced then we can get your classes up in no time with exp and PL parties.
SuperLurker
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That depends on how much enmity reduction the new skills have and how much hate paladins can put out. Currently as a THM enmity meter is red the entire time just using Thunder/Thundara and using Chameleon at every chance. Even using Thundaga at this point is out of the question unless I'm trying to kill Mfor or something.
I'm not really thrilled about the arbitrary other class skills being usable.
I mean, BLM being able to use ARC abilities makes gameplay sense, but... couldn't they have designed new abilities? Or given them traits?
It just seems mushy and confusing that they can all use skills from a class that isn't a prereq. Not to mention that means it's going to take leveling three Classes to play one Job well.
I mean, BLM being able to use ARC abilities makes gameplay sense, but... couldn't they have designed new abilities? Or given them traits?
It just seems mushy and confusing that they can all use skills from a class that isn't a prereq. Not to mention that means it's going to take leveling three Classes to play one Job well.
I don't see why they would... and mages' MP would probably be better used elsewhere.
Right now, it seems like after you get Second Wind and Featherfoot, there's nothing else for WHM or BLM to want to use.
And while I see a use for Sentinel and Rampart on WHM, that's about the only abilities they have that will be useful. But they both have the downside of generating massive enmity, which WHM certainly doesn't want.
I posted my times, you're events are too early
You times are too late
Making the late run later is no problem, I have nothing to do with that run lol
To be honest I don't think the cross class skills are that important, maybe raise and sentinel will come in handy for other jobs but I don't think you will lose a great deal if you only decide to stick with the 2 classes required to unlock the job.
Join the GAF LS :O Come to Sargatanas. . . If you can anyway.
Can I still move?
You times are too late
Making the late run later is no problem, I have nothing to do with that run lol
To be honest I don't think the cross class skills are that important, maybe raise and sentinel will come in handy for other jobs but I don't think you will lose a great deal if you only decide to stick with the 2 classes required to unlock the job.
Not to mention they cut the cross class ability pool in half. There is only a handful of abilities you can use cross class in the higher levels, some might end up being integral down the line (Chameleon for Archer, I think an enmity shedding ability could be useful for BLM
) but for the most part you won't need to level the classes beyond lvl 36 or so. No different then sub leveling in FFXI in a way.Yup, you need to keep your eye on Sargatanas when a triangle appears next to its name on the server merge page.
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/rc/worldapplication/form
Couldn't I just delete my character and choose Lindblum? I'm only level 4 or 5? It was a couple of hours of play time anyways.
You guys were seriously confusing me for a second when you kept saying Sargatanas. That's when the server merge later this month right?
Anyways I'm going off the OT and assuming it is Lindblum unless you guys are in Saronia.
Lindblum
Yup! Eff Barcher XD
There are a few of us on atm if you want an invite to the ls.
I dont think so if you mean fists of fire. Those require hand to hand weapons dont they?
Unknown Soldier
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This is strikingly similar to how the Armory system worked at launch. You pretty much wanted a skill or trait from every job at 20-ish.
Personally I think we should wait till OT2 to change the thread title. Maybe have the second thread coincide with the day of the merge?
Unknown Soldier
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You guys will need to hit 20,000 posts before the merge then. That's when OT2s are made.
InfiniDragon
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Me either dude. Of course with the jobs only having 5 skills they can cross class you might be able to get away with still not leveling ARC unless you really, really need Chameleon (aka the only useful high level ARC skill that other classes can use).
Munba
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staticneuron
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A day early huh? I still have not hit 15 with pug yet, but that is ok. I just have some goals to work towards.
Cutter's Cry (One of the two new raids) info/video: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=70d50ca6bb8703d11e8122a6b09c5e9adf9f6b1c
Quicksand spots and Chimeras huh? I guess you have to find the right quicksand drop spot to progress this time?
Same here...at least for more Warrior skills to opt into. Also glad they showed a diverse party...but thats to be expected.
Same here...at least for more Warrior skills to opt into. Also glad they showed a diverse party...but thats to be expected.
Well technically it was always possible to come out on the 8th over here. Remember the statement was December 9th coming from Yoshida in Japan. When the patch hits it will be December 9th in Japan.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-and-Additions?p=579324&viewfull=1#post579324
Thats alot of permanently removed stuff.
Thats alot of permanently removed stuff.
I wonder if he means completely removed from the game (As in they will be deleted from your inventory) or just removed any use and any means to get them in the game. A lot of those are crafted stuff that people can still make but have no real use given they make dated gear.
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