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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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Thanatos451
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The best news to wake up to! Those Jobs look nice. I will be getting that collector's edition without a doubt. It's gigantic!
Pyros_Eien
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Kind of sad the game doesnt get enough love for a thread about the expansion
Oh well, I am extremely hyped about all they showed, especially the Machinist. Got into this game 2 months ago and I'm loving it. First MMO, too.
There was a thread about the expansion when it was originally announced during the western fanfests, but I don't think it needs another thread for class announcement. It'll get one once there's a lot more concrete information about it I'm sure, so far it's still "spring" and we know a bunch of fairly vague stuff.
Atma is love. Atma is life.
Same thing happened to us.
Some people have had more luck using chat support with Square. But I don't think they are open on weekends. Good luck.
Trojita
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You either:
1. Don't play high end content
2. Don't know other people are running ACT
3. Play with bad people.
I don't think you'll be using flying mounts in areas we play in now.
That are some really concerning numbers.. Not to be an ass but with that you won't get near a kill let alone final coil. Kick your dps on the balls and tell em to man up cuz that with 15%.. Is horrible xD
Yeah like in WoW. I mean if the new areas are the same size then that would be shit.
It was a random party on PF. I would cry if this was a static.
Phew! Hahaha
NotMyUsername
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I've been accessing straight from the site and not through Steam. I don't have the game installed on Steam or anything that'd allow access. I deleted all cookies that had "square" in the name. Did it twice. No change either time. Tried it in a different browser and still no luck.
I saw that they had chat support. I'll give that a shot or even phone support when that's available since I did get an e-mail reply back but it wasn't helpful as it simply tells me how to download my order.
It was released a few days ago in Japan.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Oh my goodness! I need that machinist job! The second a gunner class was hinted at I got excited, now that they detailed it a bit I'm even more excited! Sounds so awesome!
I check my parser in dungeons just to see if I should comm the DPS.
So basically, I never comm the DPS.
sounds about right
Isn't damage mitigation already what SCH is good at? (sorta at least)
The only real niche left is reactive heals. That is, it goes out before the damage and heals it off after it happens. But, outside of flavor, this is pretty much how SCH operates with pre-Shields (and, well, it wouldn't technically increase HP like shields do). Still, it's what I'd personally like to see for their primary healing gimmick.
I'd like to see another caster DPS but, honestly, I'm more curious about seeing system overhauls than a new class.
Pyros_Eien
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There's also indirect healing, generally done via damage that converts into healing(you DPS the boss, you heal people around you/people with a buff you applied first/people in ranged of the boss etc). Examples would be the excelent Blood Mage and Disciple classes in Vanguard which are probably the best healers I've played in a mmo, to an extent Disciple of Kain/Warrior Priest in Warhammer and Chloromancer in Rift(very close to bloodmage but not quite as good).
Astrologian doesn't sound like it'd use that type of healing though, thematically it tends to be melee classes or classes that have an affinity for damage stuff(like Blood Mage, Blood doesn't sound like your typical healing attribute).
Reactive healing sounds more likely and is an archetype also often used, though it's generally complimented by more direct heals or absorbs to make full use of the mechanic. WoW's shaman for example with Earth Shield had reactive healing, but it was a fairly small mechanic. Priest has that bouncing heal thing that was reactive but was more of an aoe mechanic(unless double tank stacked on top of each other sharing damage, then it'd bounce back and forth efficiently). EQ2 had some healer that was mostly wards and reactive healing, I wanna say Defiler, but I don't remember that much as I played DPS during EQ2.
Wards are also a mechanic, but generally extremely hard to balance. Think Mana Wall/Perfect Dodge "heals", probably with multiple uses damage reduction wards(absorb 20% of the next 5 hits for example). I don't think they'd build an entire class around this as a core mechanic due to abuse from stacking the healer class or the flavor not being powerful enough and leading to bland design.
From the design of other healers, I'd say the class will have mainline heals of the same type, or maybe leaving a reactive heal on the target(similar to how scholar heals leave an absorb shield) and the cards will serve as situational tools to differentiate the class, for example providing Apocatastasis effect(I think we'll see more of this overlap beween class like the Ninja and Warrior debuff, since more classes are being added but the raid size isn't being increased, kinda like how wow did it), potentially Mana Wall/Perfect Dodge with a debuff to prevent stacking, maybe a reraise kind of mechanic and so on. Sounds a bit like Aetherflow charges though, so might have a twist on how they recharge/how they're used.
Bomber Bob
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I think your are confusing protection pally with disc priest
Demoskinos
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Man, I killed so many damn Tonberries yesterday. And still no drop on Tonberry King Blood. Either I'm doing something wrong (I don't think so?) or I'm getting the worst RNG. 20+ runs yesterday.
Congrats dude, that's clutch as fuck.
*screams*
Can it be June 16th yet so that I can go ahead and level Astro and Machinist?
DrROBschiz
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June 16th is the release date?
Holy fuck i thought this expansion was gonna be early 2015
Holy fuck i thought this expansion was gonna be early 2015
No, I am just saying that because this is Square-Enix and that is the last possible Tuesday before summer begins.
Not to mention we still have 2.48, 2.5 part 1, 2.5 part 2, 2.55, and 2.58 to get through.
True, there's vamp/leeching I didn't think of. That said, yeah, Astrologian doesn't seem like it'd go that route :x I just figured with Dark Knight as a Parry-based tank that some kind of reactive healing would suit it the best. The problem here is how it fits with the existing healers. Hopefully we'll get some details on how this pans out since ... well, limited slots in groups coupled with some stuff you really want to have around.
Honestly, I really hope there's more overlap of at least similar utility. Some people disagree with it kind of homogenizing design but it's also pretty bad when you don't have any flexibility in class options simply because "Well, we need X." Like, T13 right now without a Bard or Monk means throttling DPS to stave off starvation, pentameld VIT right-side, and counting DPS from your SCH and tanks. There's really nothing to compensate those two yet. Maybe we'll see that via Astrologian and Machinist but who knows.
Pyros_Eien
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That really depends on how good or bad Astrologian aoe healing is, as the major reason you take WHM is for the aoe healing, not really for the rest. Well Protect too but I expect this to change in the expansion.
As for class homegenization, I could see 2 ways to do it. First would be to make cross class skills non shitty. So for example, more people can bring Mantra without it being awful as hell. Could make a few more key skills shareably too, with the potential class system removal and only jobs remaining(based on the new jobs not having pre reqs classes) you could also share job skills, not just class skills.
Other way is to simply give similar/mirrored abilities to other classes,so for example I'd expect the Mech bots to do bard stuff. Maybe they'll give the fairies some of the songs too(well equivalent), or like a new fairy just for that, so scholar can do that stuff too. Astrologist getting a card to regen mana to the group and Scholars getting a fairy TP regen would help with the Bard stuff. I guess you kinda want someone to have Foe's too, maybe Dark Knight can get that but say, on single target only so it's good for bosses but not so good for aoe situation, keeps some flavor between them. Obviously bard would also get new stuff in compensation, maybe a piercing debuff? Hell maybe a piercing/slashing/crushing debuff, so they get all of them in a single one, freeing all your other DPS to do their stuff instead of applying debuffs.
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