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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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That really sucks. Hunts were really cool and civilised and now they go and invite back the Zerg Mob.
Well nobody told me there was a week lock out on loot rolling in the new raid, even if you greed roll on garbage that nobody else in the group wants, so hooray I get to stare at a worthless monk belt for the next 7 days... Who comes up with this shit?
Keeper of the Lake was a pretty good dungeon and after waiting since the start of 1.0 it was pretty satisfying to actually complete it. I managed to get everything unlocked but work has been keeping me from the game and it's killing me. The story is also pretty cool so far I think I'm on the last part but not sure.
Why are you surprised? Yoshi said during one of the fanfests that Hildibrand is a questline intended to be light and fun, not "You must put this many hours into hitting your face against the wall before you can farm" tier. It's not like it's not mechanically challenging. It's a pretty involved fight, you can lose if you don't execute, very easily, so it's not a "joke" fight strictly speaking.
You people lack perspective. Try doing Ultros on a EU server. People can't comprehend things outside tank and spank. The game's over a year old, it's time to come to terms with the fact that middling difficulty is the norm, not the exception.
Doesn't it give you a warning message before you roll now?
Uh, the game itself tells you this. Multiple times. There's even text above the loot window explaining when the lockout is reset.
If it did I didn't see it. I've just been hitting greed on everything that drops ever and this is the first time I've ever experienced a lock out like this. Why should I even expect something like that?
There's a line of text on the loot that says you can only roll on one item per week. It's also there on the duty.
We had pages of discussion in this thread about the WoD loot lockout as well since we didn't know whether or not the upgrade items were going to be a part of it.
I saw it on subsequent rolls. It's not really that hard to miss, but I had just been hitting greed instinctively on everything in the game up to this point and never ran into anything like that before. It seems like a really lame F2P style gimmick, or a way to pad out time to keep people playing longer and it's gross and doesn't belong in a game we're paying $15/mo to play IMO. Aside from that monk belt that I unfortunately obtained, all we got in our group that entire raid was BLM items (including the robe) but there wasn't a BLM in our group either. Having all that loot wasted or going to people that don't need it but locking them out of getting something they might in a later raid is a farce.
Caelestis
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How are leves related to Lucis? You can get moonstones from them?
It's also in coil. It's also in like every MMO. It serves the same function as poetics being capped to not allow for rapid gearing (and/or to limit people who play more from being majorly advantaged over those who don't). Right or wrong or whatever is another matter entirely. Just more noting that the warnig IS in there in-game.
You're also not the first person to do this so like ... I'd just shrug it off I suppose. It happens. Loot will rot because you can run the instance infinitely until you get what you want for the week so no reason to just take "whatever" that drops.
This may... not be that bad. Redolent/Antiumbral HQ shouldn't be too much of a pain too, with the Blessed Harvest method.
We already have a Gilgamesh joke fight. It's one of the most useless fights in the game and no one does it. We didn't need another one and a lot of people were hoping for a "serious" fight with Gilgamesh.
Trust me when it was announced for the original CT people had similar negative reactions. Yeah, it's a padding tool like myth caps and coil lockouts. Square likes money and wants to keep that gear treadmill going as long as possible. It was more of an issue for the original CT honestly since Myth was capped lower and not as widely available back then (no ex roulettes for a long time) and you didn't have hunts as an alternative to gear quickly. So original CT gear was the best a lot of people could do. I remember my wife running CT a dozen times one week and not even seeing a tank drop.
We don't love it but the casuals do! It's something they could actually clear and gain satisfaction from it! See Yoship's comment about Odin trial. D:
Each 8 person party gets their own gear piece to roll on separately. If all 8 people pass it's "unable to obtain".
Augemitbutter
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only had time for one slaughter. that was pretty laggy and full of first time pvpers. gotta get my glamour. it's sitting in gridania.
lazybones18
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Can you trade those Dark Divinity pieces in for something with a higher item level?
There is a translated Famitsu interview (linked earlier) that is translated on Bluegartr that basically says the Odin fight was designed to be a vanity fight. He didn't want the final set of trials to be hard so everyone could finish the fight before 3.0 came out and in the end he heard so many complaints about the tank gear not being glamourable on the original Odin FATE drops so they put that together and intended to make a nice fun diversion with glamourable equipment. He probably didn't want the gear to be sought after purely for stat purposes because of this. There is no 'upgrade'.
Altered Juice
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shots fired
tiggerkiddo
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I realize it's a new dungeon and all so there will be mistakes but people sure like to take a lot of avoidable damage in WoD. Please don't stand in orange circles please...
The comets are bitches in WoD.
You whinge a whole lot brah.
Yeah, I've been whining a lot about stuff like the weekly caps to my friends that play this with me. This is the first subscription based MMO I've played since EQ2 and vanilla WoW back in like 2005, so all this stuff is pretty new to me. Sorry if it seemed like I'm overreacting, it just seems kinda filthy for them to limit the amount of grinding/playing/gearing you can do in a game with a subscription fee. I've found no shortage of things to kill time doing in this game in the 2 months I've been playing it, so I'm not sure why they feel the need to impose limits. It already takes an incredible amount of luck to see drops that you need and win a roll if there is another person of your job in your group...
Such insight. Please tell me more.
tiggerkiddo
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Welp, going in blind was fun at first but now I feel like just waiting to do WoD when more people have an inkling on what to do.
I wasn't aware you were the entire player base.
No one around to explain anything? We had wipes at each boss but managed to get through it first try before equipment broke.
Yeah, because you're playing nearly 18 months worth of content in 2 months. This is the first patch you've seen ffs, a lot of the player-base have exhausted content you've never even seen. I mean for the last few months I've been logging a few times a week to do dailes and raid, that's about it. I'm not alone.
You obviously didn't read the patch notes then.
So then in your case does the 1 loot item per week limit keep you playing more often than if there was no limit?
I feel like a lot of you guys are piling on me for getting blindsided by a facet of the game (genre, apparently) that I wasn't aware of or understand the reasoning behind.
I'm not even whining, or whinging, or whatever. I'm over it. But I still don't get it.
No one discussing tactics?
tiggerkiddo
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People aren't in a great mood to listen
It keeps you playing for more days, not necessarily more total play time. The idea is to keep your sub on. If you could get max gear in a day, you could exhaust the content right away.
instances content this patch was really imbalanced. Keeper of the Lake was interesting, I suspect AK HM is going to be the Snowcloak of this patch in terms of DREX preference, and WP just feels way too long (I've run it three times now, and you can get through in 20 minutes, but you feel every minute). Keeper is Qarn, AK is Snowcloak, WP is Sastasha. At least the drops are better.
The Gilgamesh trial is a lot like Battle on the Big Bridge. Fun enough, not particularly tough, it'll be tolerable for the inevitable minion farm parties, I guess, but no longevity.
Odin is just such a let down. It isn't worth talking about.
Secret Trial somehow far and away the best of the three, but the DF learning pains are goinng to be huge. It's the only one at really feels like the groundwork for a spammable primal fight... And it's a story trial so there is absolutely no reason to spam it. Fun but kind of a waste of one of the better designed fights.
Future me will probably vehemently disagree, but early impression is that WoD is really well put together. By my 10th run trying to get the frigging bard chest I'll probably disagree, but it was a good time.
I do really think DF groups in the first few hours of the patch are going to be vastly superior than what you get later. They just tend to be more attentive and better geared, and generally anyone who does WoD very first thing isn't expecting a one shot.
The Gilgamesh trial is a lot like Battle on the Big Bridge. Fun enough, not particularly tough, it'll be tolerable for the inevitable minion farm parties, I guess, but no longevity.
Odin is just such a let down. It isn't worth talking about.
Secret Trial somehow far and away the best of the three, but the DF learning pains are goinng to be huge. It's the only one at really feels like the groundwork for a spammable primal fight... And it's a story trial so there is absolutely no reason to spam it. Fun but kind of a waste of one of the better designed fights.
Future me will probably vehemently disagree, but early impression is that WoD is really well put together. By my 10th run trying to get the frigging bard chest I'll probably disagree, but it was a good time.
I do really think DF groups in the first few hours of the patch are going to be vastly superior than what you get later. They just tend to be more attentive and better geared, and generally anyone who does WoD very first thing isn't expecting a one shot.
Yeah? That's the whole point and why these things exist. The game doesn't have as much content as you think it does and SE know it, which is (a part) of the reason these lockouts exist. Also to stop addicts from killing themselves farming without sleep or food.
RellyRell28
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On my way home but gonna watch the Flash first to give me time to eat.
I'm pretty much already done with all the content of the patch outside of the aforementioned loot lockouts and weekly grinds. It's really not that much long lasting content. Most of us in this thread have pretty much done all the new content added already.
Subbed longer, basically. If not, I'd be done with gearing in a week or so.
Not to defend my posts at all but most are done during whatever downtime I have while raiding so they're a bit to the point :x I get the complaint, though, but you have to understand that the system is in place to drag out the content in terms of actual days/weeks/months and not /played time.
Augemitbutter
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does anyone know the stat caps of the new accessories? fending/slaying.
RellyRell28
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I have know idea why but I really like that sound when you unlock a duty.
tiggerkiddo
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Amdapor HM is the best new dungeon but I can see myself tiring of them as fast as I did with the Tam Tara, Stone Vigil and Hullbreaker trio.
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