irfaanator
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team low expectations is gonna get bodied. mainly since you have galen. should have qhon as your ace though
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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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team low expectations is gonna get bodied. mainly since you have galen. should have qhon as your ace though
I'm entirely too cheap and lazy to pay for carries--easier to wait around until people are bored enough/desperate enough for another non-cleared body and get carried for free--that was just the first 'proof' I found on Google of T13 carries.
It doesn't seem any grosser than the constant shouts or PFs for carry services, anyway. They're all engines that run on bought gil.
It doesn't seem any grosser than the constant shouts or PFs for carry services, anyway. They're all engines that run on bought gil.
Looks like you want to join the team.
I've just got back into the game after taking a break for about 2 months (I was starting to get a little burnt out by the time 2.4 rolled around) and for the most part I'm really enjoying getting back into the swing of things.
But god damn the loot tables in World Of Darkness are garbage. I've been running it essentially non-stop since Saturday morning and in that time I've seen only one BLM drop; it was the belt (which you can't even see so it's basically worthless!) and I got it on Monday night, in the last possible time I could squeeze in a run before the reset. I've just finished my 5th run of the night, and once again not a single BLM drop but what felt like a dozen DRG and MNK pieces each, including that one run where the DPS were me and 4 bards. I just want that damn skirt.
Still, I'm having fun and at least I'm slowly accumulating poetics. Maybe I'll alternate World Of Darkness with Keeper Of The Lake so I can get the Bogatyr casting set for glamour purposes.
But god damn the loot tables in World Of Darkness are garbage. I've been running it essentially non-stop since Saturday morning and in that time I've seen only one BLM drop; it was the belt (which you can't even see so it's basically worthless!) and I got it on Monday night, in the last possible time I could squeeze in a run before the reset. I've just finished my 5th run of the night, and once again not a single BLM drop but what felt like a dozen DRG and MNK pieces each, including that one run where the DPS were me and 4 bards. I just want that damn skirt.
Still, I'm having fun and at least I'm slowly accumulating poetics. Maybe I'll alternate World Of Darkness with Keeper Of The Lake so I can get the Bogatyr casting set for glamour purposes.
PhillipCostigan
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scy and i have merged
Streaming raid for this week, if anyone's bored and wants to watch: http://www.twitch.tv/nova_crystallis
rocketobear
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I'll draw you something separate for you and Choco. ovo
tiggerkiddo
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Don't worry, all of us despise the loot tables in WoD, they are way too big for their own good and there is too much junk that drops as opposed to the good stuff.
Pyros_Eien
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Oh hadn't thought of checking google stuff, I guess it's already a thing then.
Fuck waiting for monk loot in coil >_> bought every missing left stuff in poetics, I need the hp upgrade for t13...
And fuck WoD, 1h30 to clear, had to wait 3 wipes on last boss for half of every alliances to leave and be replaced by competent people. I don't even know if the pain is justified for secondary classes, I should stop going as healer and tag as dps. Maybe I can make a bigger difference... (probably not but at least I would do nothing but hit stuff instead of raising people)
And fuck WoD, 1h30 to clear, had to wait 3 wipes on last boss for half of every alliances to leave and be replaced by competent people. I don't even know if the pain is justified for secondary classes, I should stop going as healer and tag as dps. Maybe I can make a bigger difference... (probably not but at least I would do nothing but hit stuff instead of raising people)
Oh don't you worry. Team Low Expectations will Meet Expectations
Had a healer in a noob dungeon threaten to let me die if I kept pulling as a black mage. I was using sleep on all but one of the mobs to try and make his and the tank's job easier and barely taking any damage at all. Guy was just being a bitch. Whatever, I spammed blizzard for the rest of the dungeon. Black mage is easy.
Pyros_Eien
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You really shouldn't be pulling. Or sleeping. I mean Sleep's nice while leveling if the tank is terrible and can't hold more than one mob, but otherwise it does kinda nothing. It's also annoying to have to pick up mobs going for someone else in this game, so you should definitely not sleep pull.
Wait... you were pulling? Ahead of the tank?
Xux
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I think they should've left NIN and MNK with the same gear to help combat this. Especially since I imagine the three new jobs are just gonna use existing sets.
Sounds like kind of a jerk but I'd probably let someone who was that bad at Black Mage die, too.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I think this is one of those games where the tank should pull since they have a ranged attack.
Also I got Regen the other day and it's really useful. 1050 total potency when it has run its full course.
Is it recommended to say put it on a DPS if you still need to focus on the tank? I've run into situations where I needed to heal both so I just put Regen on the DPS quickly before switching back to the tank to heal them back up. This is under the assumption that the DPS in question is no longer taking damage.
Also I got Regen the other day and it's really useful. 1050 total potency when it has run its full course.
Is it recommended to say put it on a DPS if you still need to focus on the tank? I've run into situations where I needed to heal both so I just put Regen on the DPS quickly before switching back to the tank to heal them back up. This is under the assumption that the DPS in question is no longer taking damage.
tiggerkiddo
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Regen is the best healing spell in the game.
Just don't put it on the tank before he pulls or else you'll be pushing up daisies.
Just don't put it on the tank before he pulls or else you'll be pushing up daisies.
Pyros_Eien
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On DPS, it's a lot more cost efficient to use Cure I in general, as Regen will overheal a ton for no real reason. Regen the tanks and Cure everyone else(or Medica if you need to heal everyone at the same time). There's some cases where using Regen on DPS is fine though, like if you have to move around, if they're expected to take more damage frequently and so on.
I finally got my aiming bracelet today. Only took 3 months...tiggerkiddo
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And I will continue to roll my eyes at folks crying about loot in Final Coil.
gotta get that BiS yo
Pretty much.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Yeah, I already know about that. Although there are times where adds spawn in the middle of a boss fight and I get instant aggro, in that case I just run to the tank before hand since I know they'll be coming after me.
This happened during the last boss fight in Qarn (NM). No one was killing the pin things that spawn and hit the entire group after being left alive long enough. I didn't have time to sit on the DPS with cure since Regen alone wasn't enough to keep the tank alive and there was also the fact that there were more pins on the way that weren't being killed.
In such a case I think it's fine to prioritize keeping the tank alive since if they die they're going to be revived with low MP/TP (and that's assuming the rest of us don't die soon after somehow).
In-regards to BiS, do I need this gear for any type of additional/new content?
Nope! Not at all.
For me I view it as the final "puzzle" left in the Realm Reborn expansion, which is even more upsetting since two of those pieces [corners, at that] elude my grasp [the choker as well as the Dreadwyrm Staff]. I completed the First Coil puzzle, as well as the one for Second Coil. Final Coil, though...
I look under the table and in the cardboard box every Tuesday, and I cannot manage to find those missing pieces anywhere.
As each week passes, Final Coil whispers snide remarks in my ears as the puzzle remains uncompleted. :/
Nope! Not at all.
For me I view it as the final "puzzle" left in the Realm Reborn expansion, which is even more upsetting since two of those pieces [corners, at that] elude my grasp [the choker as well as the Dreadwyrm Staff]. I completed the First Coil puzzle, as well as the one for Second Coil. Final Coil, though...
I look under the table and in the cardboard box every Tuesday, and I cannot manage to find those missing pieces anywhere.
As each week passes, Final Coil whispers snide remarks in my ears as the puzzle remains uncompleted. :/
theSlacker
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Yes. The tank was slow and not good. I was doing it to speed the group up and give the tank only one thing to have to swing at. If it was such a big deal to the WHM he should have just told me to stop without being an ass about it. I wasn't even taking damage. Whatever tho, I'm not playing that garbage class anymore now that I have swiftcast anyways. That entire class needs to be taken back to the drawing board. There's nothing more boring to do in the game than play black mage currently.
Hauled HM is the troll ingest of troll dungeons. JUST GIVE ME THE VOIDWEAVE.
Never have I been so glad to have no idea what the hell somebody is talking about.
mumble on tuesdays man
Never have I been so glad to have no idea what the hell somebody is talking about.
You sound like a terrible BLM. Or a terrible player. Maybe both.
irfaanator
Banned
I'll take Galen's spot
Why would your roll your eyes to that?
Man, you're just not a pleasant person in any capacity.
I was potentially fine with everything up to that. That was the bitch move there. Slow everyone else up by doing shit damage because you were having a hissy fit that the healer didn't want you pulling.
From my perspective I felt like I was going above and beyond what was expected of me. I was trying to help compensate for a tank that wasn't great and save the healer some work having to heal everybody else that was getting hit by scattered agro. I didn't have any indication before he made a comment that what I was doing wasn't warranted or welcome and then he just says he's going to let me die for it. I felt slighted. I had been doing similar things in previous groups and was praised for it. This guy was the only person that had a problem with it. I would have been totally fine stopping if he told me he didn't want it.
Sure I am. Well, I can be. I was sharing what I thought was an amusing anecdote and it turned into a dogpile. I guess I just won't share anymore, that's fine.
i.e. a hissy fit.
The tank not being great hurts your case, not helps it. If the tank is having aggro issues, the healer is already busy trying to heal without pulling hate.
You deciding to go sleep things, pulling mobs the tank isn't prepared for and putting yourself at the top of the hate list, adds more for the healer to keep track of. If they heal you, they're going to pull off you and now they're getting hit by mobs nobody wanted and potentially having casts interrupted. If they, the dps, and the tank let you die because you decided to pull bonus mobs, they all live and continue. DPs pulling is usually a sign of impatience and inconsiderate behavior, and is treated as such.
Pyros_Eien
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Oh definitely keep the tank up, that's priority #1. But Regen and Cure take the same time, Cure requires you to stand still but Regen puts you on GCD for 2.5secs anyway(or whatever it's down to with your spellspeed) so you can't do anything for the same amount of time, other than moving. If everyone was taking damage, then what you really wanted to cast is Medica though. It's not efficient to heal like 2people, but if 4people are damaged, then it's extremely mp efficient, and it's also more time efficient than trying to heal all 4.
The thing about casting regen on DPS is while it works well in early dungeons where damage tend to be non lethal even if you get hit several times in a row, in higher dungeons you generally die if you don't get a heal and get hit again, and Regen takes a while to actually top people off. Depending on the fight that's fine, but quite often just hitting them with a Cure is going to have a better result, both on your mana and on their survival rate. And if you really need a big heal, that's where Cure II comes into action with its fast cast and terrible mana cost, but that's for when you know that DPS is getting hit again soon and he's not healthy enough.
Now to go back to first point though, if they're being idiots and the tank is also low, let them die. Eventually you get more tools to deal with this situation though, like the cooldown that increases spellspeed a lot so you can quickly medica+cure II the tank and get everyone back up to full, or even Benediction when shit really hits the fan.
Your post is pretty much: "I decided to make things worse for a group. They did not like that. Fuck them, I'm better than them. Time to AFK the rest of the dungeon."
Yeah, probably.
I'm team leader. I don't think you're ready for that kind of responsibility.
I think this is a bit overboard. Not saying I don't agree, but you're obviously extrapolating a bit more than I think is needed.
That being said, if I'm tank and I see a dps continuously ripping off me on purpose or doing other bad behavior I'm more than willing to let them have the add they're trying so hard to get the attention of. As a healer, healing DPS is my lowest priority. I'm especially less inclined to heal dps that try to get themselves killed.
I've had belligerent healers, however. When I was leveling Arcanist in Totorak I had a healer threaten to straight up leave the party if I dared to cast Physick on myself one more time. Sometimes people want things their way no matter what.
Spiritreaver
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As someone who recently came back to level up NIN and went back through the lower level dungeons... there's no reason to be a dick. I never overextend myself if I don't have to. There are people in those dungeons who are completely new to it, their job, or even the game itself. They're going to be slow and fuck up. If it's making things hard on the rest of the group then say something in the chat (constructive criticism) and hope they listen.
If they don't. Then leave if you can't deal with it or shrug it off and keep going.
I remember not long ago getting pulled into Titan story mode through duty roulette and having a healer that couldn't dodge Landslide. Maybe I just have too much patience for new players, but when he started getting down on himself I said I'd stay for as long as it took for him to learn the mechanics. We wiped like 30 times I swear, and eventually he left out of shame and I felt bad. No one harped on him though. I don't let people do that. Not at those levels.
If they don't. Then leave if you can't deal with it or shrug it off and keep going.
I remember not long ago getting pulled into Titan story mode through duty roulette and having a healer that couldn't dodge Landslide. Maybe I just have too much patience for new players, but when he started getting down on himself I said I'd stay for as long as it took for him to learn the mechanics. We wiped like 30 times I swear, and eventually he left out of shame and I felt bad. No one harped on him though. I don't let people do that. Not at those levels.
Meh, the "better than them" is a bit excessive but, honestly, that's kind of what the whole "I'm going to do nothing the rest of the run" is to me.
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