FINAL FANTASY XV - Niflheim Base Battle Footage

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In the demo you can summon Ramuh when your HP hits zero, but that's just a placeholder. We don't yet know how to summon in the final game.
Interesting, thanks.

Well, between this new gameplay vid and the Ramuh summon one, I am 100% sold. The game looks crazy good, can't wait to play it.

How does one try the demo, is it on psn?
 
I'm not one of those people who screams "this isn't FF!" mainly because SE seems to have no idea either.

That said, let's look at it this way. Since FFX (last major ATB system), FF has spiraled all over the place in quality and acceptance.

Eh? X combat was turn-based but it definitely wasn't ATB.
 
I'm serious, I'm not really interested in just walking around with my bro's giving bro fists and eating brotaterchips. I thought they would take the criticism and change things up a bit.

Why can't this final fantasy do its own thing and do it well? I mean, I agree that the bro-filled adventure can push people away from the game expecting a more traditional final fantasy but we got a female-lead Final Fantasy with the FFXIII series for an entire generation.

Having a game focus on the male characters in a FF world isn't the worse idea considering that :l.

Besides, Luna (I think that's her name?) becomes a party member at some point in the game, so it isn't like its going to be 100% bro adventure.

I'm not the most avid FF fan at all (appreciated the series and gave FFVII & FFIX a shot, loved there openings and gotta go back & fully beat both before this comes out) but I like what I see with FFXV so far. Hope you enjoy it if you give it a chance when it comes out :D!

If not, I understand why you wouldn't enjoy it. Maybe FFXVI whenever its announced (or XVII, considering how every other FF game is a MMO; FFX too FFXI MMO, FFXIII too FFXIV MMO) will be the final fantasy that makes you happy :).
 
So is this a full on action RPG? Or am I just going to be holding a button and the fight happens automatically like DA:I?
 
I think it's poor design choice to have an all male cast in a FF game, that's all. I mean I'll probably still play the game but it just didn't feel like FF to me given some of the design choices.

Having lighting last series was great, I'm not saying they had to make a female the lead again but not having any female party members just sucks IMO.

That being said, the battle system is intriguing, but would like some more footage and some boss fights.

How could anyone know as of now if its poor design choice? The dev team has mentioned time and time again that the narrative is closely intertwined with the 4 guys from the get-go back in 2006, so why not trust them, instead of criticizing this?
 
I have no reason to be excited about this game anymore :( , it reminds me a hack and slash instead a RPG, sadly, and the characters are unappealing to me since i'm no too much into cool k-pop idols. I hope the story is good as seen in old story trailers
 
Judging from what I have seen and played of FFXV I am fairly certain FF won't be going back to greatness anytime soon. IMHO.
 
While the XIII Trilogy has been controversial and the original FFXIV was a travesty.

A Realm Reborn: Final Fantasy XIV is one of the only subscription based MMOs that haven't went free to play. It's been regarded by man long time fans of the series as a tribute to all the things that make the series magical.

It's probably a good game if you like MMOs but it's nothing more than a spin off really, I don't even class it as a true Final Fantasy game, since gameplay-wise it shares nothing in common with the other games apart from 11.
 
Eh? X combat was turn-based but it definitely wasn't ATB.

My bad on that.

Wasn't referring to X-2 since while I loved the game and the systems, fans are definitely split on that game. Part of the spin off/sequel problem the IP developed.

It's probably a good game if you like MMOs but it's nothing more than a spin off really, I don't even class it as a true Final Fantasy game, since gameplay-wise it shares nothing in common with the other games apart from 11.

This is what I'm talking about when people think of the MMOs, despite their success. Without FFXI funding shit for so long, who knows where FF and SE would be at this point. Would they even be around to bitch at? lol
 
Interesting, thanks.

Well, between this new gameplay vid and the Ramuh summon one, I am 100% sold. The game looks crazy good, can't wait to play it.

How does one try the demo, is it on psn?

It comes with a FF Type-0, a pretty mediocre game. That Ramuh summon was the most interesting thing about it though.

There will be a free demo for everyone later but it doesn't appear to be combat focused.
 
Why can't this final fantasy do its own thing and do it well? I mean, I agree that the bro-filled adventure can push people away from the game expecting a more traditional final fantasy but we got a female-lead Final Fantasy with the FFXIII series for an entire generation.

Having a game focus on the male characters in a FF world isn't the worse idea considering that :l.

Besides, Luna (I think that's her name?) becomes a party member at some point in the game, so it isn't like its going to be 100% bro adventure.

I'm not the most avid FF fan at all (appreciated the series and gave FFVII & FFIX a shot, loved there openings and gotta go back & fully beat both before this comes out) but I like what I see with FFXV so far. Hope you enjoy it if you give it a chance when it comes out :D!

If not, I understand why you wouldn't enjoy it. Maybe FFXVI whenever its announced (or XVII, considering how every other FF game is a MMO; FFX too FFXI MMO, FFXIII too FFXIV MMO) will be the final fantasy that makes you happy :).

I mean I like the fact that Luna will be playable in some form that's great, I was just hopping for something permanent. I mean I can't really say it will be bad, I'm sure the game will be a blast. I guess I just like my traditional FF elements is all. :)
 
I'm serious, I'm not really interested in just walking around with my bro's giving bro fists and eating brotaterchips. I thought they would take the criticism and change things up a bit.
Good thing you aren't "just" going around with your bros giving bro fists & eating brotaterchips.
 
It comes with a FF Type-0, a pretty mediocre game. That Ramuh summon was the most interesting thing about it though.

There will be a free demo for everyone later but it doesn't appear to be combat focused.
Alright, thanks. That summon would be amazing on my TV. Going to go downstairs and play that YT vid on my home theatre. Pure awesome.
 
Game looks fun, though I'd need to get my hands on it before I make any decisions about the combat. Episode Duscae felt pretty bad to me due to many factors (low framerate, enemies felt spongy, often felt swarmed with no proper way to react, enemy animations were hard to read due to so much happening at once), but I'm hoping the new builds have fixed some of my issues. I also really don't know how I feel about instant-stealth take downs in an rpg, it feels kind of cheap if there's no resource tied to it. Maybe have you expend a bit of mana for every takedown? I dunno, I'm sure it'll be balanced somehow. Other than all that, animations and presentation quality are top fucking notch as always for final fantasy.
 
I mean I like the fact that Luna will be playable in some form that's great, I was just hopping for something permanent. I mean I can't really say it will be bad, I'm sure the game will be a blast. I guess I just like my traditional FF elements is all. :)

I hope you enjoy the game when you get it then :D!

And who knows, maybe we will get more classic FF elements announced during the big event thing in March :).
 
I mean I like the fact that Luna will be playable in some form that's great, I was just hopping for something permanent. I mean I can't really say it will be bad, I'm sure the game will be a blast. I guess I just like my traditional FF elements is all. :)

Wait where does it show luna being playable in some form, iirc the only playable character is noctis and everyone else is AI controlled.
 
like were all the people let down by it being an action RPG living under a rock or something?

I don't get where all of this is coming from considering one has had at least 2-3 years to get over it by now. FFXV is an action RPG. Not your cup of tea..cool. Then why keep running into threads to let people know about it?

I swear it really feels like people just love to hate things around here and let others know how much they hate it. Is that fun? I mean many people here spend so much time posting about what they don't like. Go post about the things you like...enjoy life. Shit is too short to be this negative all the time. We have known the direction of this game for 10 years...its not going to change into a turn based game anytime soon.

like wow this board is hard to read in the recent months. Nothing is good enough. I think in this pursuit to not be a circlejerk its all become this big echo chamber of miserable people who aren't enjoying their hobby anymore. It used to be fun to talk about games (and other stuff as the other mediums are full of "everything is shit. Let me tell you why" too). god.

I'll probably get banned for this but holy crap, GAF. Lighten up. Lets talk about this we like for once.
 
So they confirmed that Luna joins the party? I thought they said it was just the dudes? Must be remembering wrong.

I think some earlier interviews/ATR's implied that she would become a guest party member at some point(s) of the game, just like Cor. Most likely close to how the quest party members work in FF12, I'd assume, but this is just from my memory.

The gameplay looked pretty good, it's interesting how different the battle system seems to be compared to Duscae.
 
Love love love that new ost arrangement. It sounds so epic.

Gameplay also looks a lot more smooth and dynamic. Very very pleased with what they showed.

Also i heard we are getting a new demo after they announce a release date in March? wew.

Welp, looks like Uncharted 4 will take 3 or 4 spot this year. It has no chance against rpgs

My thoughts as well. If Persona 5 comes out this year, and this... where will it land?
 
I mean I like the fact that Luna will be playable in some form that's great, I was just hopping for something permanent. I mean I can't really say it will be bad, I'm sure the game will be a blast. I guess I just like my traditional FF elements is all. :)

Why is it mandatory to have a female character in the party? FFX-2 has an all female party and I don't think there were people complaining about it so why complain about the opposite. I don't think a female person would fit well though, if you have a full male cast you can do things that you can't do if you have a mixed party. Are you a male or a female? In either case I am sure you have noticed that people behave differently when they have the opposite sex around.

Last generation we had Lightning, a wonderful female lead, so I'm sure there is nothing wrong with having a male lead now.
 
I'm serious, I'm not really interested in just walking around with my bro's giving bro fists and eating brotaterchips. I thought they would take the criticism and change things up a bit.

If the plan has been to have an all-male party for the last 10 years, they're not going to change things because of criticism.

Hell, I have to say I don't even get the criticism for it. There's nothing wrong with an all-male (or all-female, or all-*insert race* etc) playable parties imho. When the game comes out and people genuinely feel the party needed some diversity, fair enough. But as of right now, who cares?
 
I hope you're not expecting them to appear. This is the party we will have.

So it will be the main saga FF with the shortest and less variated party since FFI? Man I love JRPG when you can have like 8-10 party members and can swap between them. It keeps the game fresh during the whole gameplay.
 
No, I understand a lot of people want a Final Fantasy in the veins of FFIX. I get that, definitely. But what boggles my mind is how FFXV is already widely known among gaming community to be a departure from previous FF, especially in gameplay, for a very long time. Not like it's a just recently announced FFXVI and that turn out to be a FPS or something. I'd be first to scream "THIS IS NOT FF!!", but for FFXV? It's not turn-based since 2006. It's not going to be turn-based or ATB ten years later. Jeez.

And then there are freaks like me who loved the ffxiii battle system. Shit out of luck as they say, lol.

Anyway, XV looks like a fine actionrpg-jpn boy band hybrid. I hope y'all enjoy it.
 
It's probably a good game if you like MMOs but it's nothing more than a spin off really, I don't even class it as a true Final Fantasy game, since gameplay-wise it shares nothing in common with the other games apart from 11.

While it does play like an MMO, you can't discredit it as a "Spin off" or "Not a true Final Fantasy game" when it explicitly has a story focus, like all mainline games, XI included. Tonally, the world is as Final Fantasy as it gets. While the games have had a cyber punk and modern bent to them since VII, ARR manages to recapture the more fantastical aspects of the series in a way fans love.

If you don't regard it as a true Final Fantasy game because of it's gameplay, then FFXII isn't a true one either because it's basically an offline MMO. I guess Final Fantasy XV isn't a true Final Fantasy either because it's action based.
 
My bad on that.

Wasn't referring to X-2 since while I loved the game and the systems, fans are definitely split on that game. Part of the spin off/sequel problem the IP developed.

X-2 is actually a good example here, since it shows that the combat system is the least important factor for whether a FF is considered good. X-2 has imo the best implementation of the ATB system of all FF games and is nevertheless a really divisive game. Would FFXIII be considered a better game if it had a traditional ATB System? While there were people who didn't like the combat in XIII it wasn't considered as one of its biggest weaknesses, so I doubt it.
Imo FF was never known or loved for excellent combat. The combat did its job but there have always been lot of JRPG series with way better combat than FF, so I doubt that going back to ATB would be the solution to everything.

Yes, people probably associate the ATB-System with better FFs in the past, but it was never the decisive factor for those games being good imo.
 
So it will be the main saga FF with the shortest and less variated party since FFI? Man I love JRPG when you can have like 8-10 party members and can swap between them. It keeps the game fresh during the whole gameplay.

On the other hand the character development and involvement will probably be among the best if not the best in the series. When you have just 4 characters to work on you can really flesh out every single detail. Just look at how the characters interact in Duscae demo, I have honestly never seen anything like that and it is just a demo.
 
like were all the people let down by it being an action RPG living under a rock or something?

I don't get where all of this is coming from considering one has had at least 2-3 years to get over it by now. FFXV is an action RPG. Not your cup of tea..cool. Then why keep running into threads to let people know about it?

I swear it really feels like people just love to hate things around here and let others know how much they hate it. Is that fun? I mean many people here spend so much time posting about what they don't like. Go post about the things you like...enjoy life. Shit is too short to be this negative all the time. We have known the direction of this game for 10 years...its not going to change into a turn based game anytime soon.

like wow this board is hard to read in the recent months. Nothing is good enough. I think in this pursuit to not be a circlejerk its all become this big echo chamber of miserable people who aren't enjoying their hobby anymore. It used to be fun to talk about games (and other stuff as the other mediums are full of "everything is shit. Let me tell you why" too). god.

I'll probably get banned for this but holy crap, GAF. Lighten up. Lets talk about this we like for once.

Don't worry, it'll be like Halo or Fallout. The old fans will become fewer and fewer with each release, and before long, it will be like one post in a thousand complaining about sprinting or lack of isometric.
 
X-2 is actually a good example here since it shows that the combat system is the least important factor for whether a FF is considered good. X-2 has imo the best implementation of the ATB system of all FF games and is nevertheless a really divisive game. Would FFXIII be considered a better game if it had a traditional ATB System? While there were people who didn't like the combat in XIII it wasn't considered as one of is biggest weaknesses.
Imo FF was never known or loved for excellent combat. The combat did its job but there have always been lot of JRPG series with way better combat than FF so I doubt that going back to ATB is the solution to everything.

Yes, people probably associate the ATB-System with better FFs in the past but it was never the dicisive factor for those games being good imo.

Amazing post.

Final Fantasy games, regardless of how they play, aren't judged solely on their combat system. It's the package as a whole. FFX-2 had, in my opinion the best ATB system, but that didn't save it from it's tonal shift from FFX's somber air to FFX-2's J-Pop let's-go-girl-power! vibe.

FFXIII's combat was very entertaining, flashy, quick, and had enough depth if you attempt the high level hunts. The graphics were nice, and the music was pretty good. Too bad I didn't love the characters or story.
 
X-2 is actually a good example here, since it shows that the combat system is the least important factor for whether a FF is considered good. X-2 has imo the best implementation of the ATB system of all FF games and is nevertheless a really divisive game. Would FFXIII be considered a better game if it had a traditional ATB System? While there were people who didn't like the combat in XIII it wasn't considered as one of is biggest weaknesses, so I doubt it.
Imo FF was never known or loved for excellent combat. The combat did its job but there have always been lot of JRPG series with way better combat than FF, so I doubt that going back to ATB would be the solution to everything.

Yes, people probably associate the ATB-System with better FFs in the past, but it was never the dicisive factor for those games being good imo.

Some people, mostly 30+. And it doesn't matter as they are aiming for the teen market with this one, as they always do.
 
I've just read someone talking about reading fight animations in a FF game(not knocking on you). And yet some people ask "what do you mean with this isn't a true FF game for you?".

The game looks good for what it is. But the outrage at people being sad that their childhood RPG serie with nearly a dozen games is is as good as gone is a bit silly. I'm sure those people had no problem with Versus being a spin off title.
 
X-2 is actually a good example here, since it shows that the combat system is the least important factor for whether a FF is considered good. X-2 has imo the best implementation of the ATB system of all FF games and is nevertheless a really divisive game. Would FFXIII be considered a better game if it had a traditional ATB System? While there were people who didn't like the combat in XIII it wasn't considered as one of is biggest weaknesses, so I doubt it.
Imo FF was never known or loved for excellent combat. The combat did its job but there have always been lot of JRPG series with way better combat than FF, so I doubt that going back to ATB would be the solution to everything.

Yes, people probably associate the ATB-System with better FFs in the past, but it was never the dicisive factor for those games being good imo.


I love the battle system of FFXIII and XIII-2. The people who hates it is the people that played the game on auto-mode using Lightning always as Commando.

Man, playing XIII and XIII-2 using all the magic, buffs, debuffs. Having to choose fast and thinking about priority was amazing. I feel bad for all the people who couldn't enjoy that because Square-Enix added the "auto-battle" shit. For the 1st time in FF story buffing and debuffing was A THING and people hated it and choosed to grind and overlevel to kill the boss battles (the hardes bosses on the whole FF saga) instead of using strategy and tactics.

What a shame.
 
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