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Final Fantasy XV |OT| There and back again.

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Ray Down

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I just got to the part in chapter 1 where
they show the clip from Kingsglaive about Insomnia falling
. Before the patch that added the Kingsglaive clips, was there something there in its place? Or did they just skip right to the scene where you wake up?

Right to the scene where they wake up, I believe.
 

DrBretto

Banned
So Carbuncle is definitely in the game. I think he follows you around like a ghost or something. Prompto just accidentally caught him on camera during a battle. I'm playing on normal as well.

Yeah, popped up in one of my pictures, too. I thought it was pretty neat. No idea about it at all beyond that, though.
 
I think if anything, the non-important cutscenes (i.e. most questline NPCs that aren't Dino or Cindy) are a bit jarring when it comes to their animations and lip flaps, but that's to be expected in a game with so much side content. Even Dino repeats his hand gesture a little too much. Monica for example also perpetually looks like she just drank the blood of the damned or something.

NPCs are definitely the most disappointing thing about this game aesthetically. They look like they were plucked right our from a late PS3/360 FPS game when compared to the main cast. Very bland looking.
 

Skilletor

Member
I just got to the part in chapter 1 where
they show the clip from Kingsglaive about Insomnia falling
. Before the patch that added the Kingsglaive clips, was there something there in its place? Or did they just skip right to the scene where you wake up?

I wondered the same thing.

This story is so gutted as to be hilarious.
 

Freeman76

Member
Honestly, I don't have a huge problem with the blurred look. Better that than jaggy. It could be improved, sure, but I don't think it takes away from the visuals too significantly.

This looks pretty darn good for a direct capture

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VS (PC shot)
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Fair enough. I think Witcher 3 is one of the most visually overrated games of the last 10 years. I don't think it looks really all that good at all. XV decimates it in my book. W3 has zero sense of scale, horrible grass textures everywhere, inferior lighting, mediocre animation and an overall jerky appearance. It can look decent enough on a beefy PC, I suppose, but the console versions are simply awful.


We are on totally different ends of the spectrum here. Better for you with regards too FF15 as you can obviously look past things that i find jarring. Still find the game fun, looks arent everything in the end.
 

nOoblet16

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I played it on PS4. Never really cared for the series before it, so I say this with no special reverence or anything. I was blown away by the details. The forests, the crazy attention to detail in the landscape, the vistas. I think this game, so far as what I've seen doesn't hold a candle, except in where it excels, the animation.

Feels like we're both talking about different games. To each their own.
Witcher 3 doesn't even come close to what FFXV does in sense of scale. It's just not possible in the first place due to the very nature of the world, there are no vistas as large as the ones you frequently come across in FFXV like the disc in Duscae region or creatures as large as Titans and summons. Going from one place to another feels like a real drive despite the fact that Witcher 3's world is big too. Then there's the fact that buildings look off respective to the size of characters...basically fucked up scale.

As for tech FFXV's lighting is also miles ahead of Witcher 3 it's basically among the best out there open world or not, plus it also has one of the most elaborate particle effect system in any game I've seen. Not to mention it can also do a larger number of NPC than Witcher 3.
 

Certinty

Member
Can't just be me but the 4 main characters remind me heavily of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Pretty obvious which is which.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
We are on totally different ends of the spectrum here. Better for you with regards too FF15 as you can obviously look past things that i find jarring. Still find the game fun, looks arent everything in the end.
Those shots, though. Witcher looks so simplistic in comparison. Look at that!
 

cackhyena

Member
We are on totally different ends of the spectrum here. Better for you with regards too FF15 as you can obviously look past things that i find jarring. Still find the game fun, looks arent everything in the end.
That's how I'm looking at it. I'm glad the combat is fun enough. It doesn't have much else going for it for me, personally.
 

Trace

Banned
This is me. And I played W3 on PC. Always think I'm in crazy town when I see people praising W3 for looking amazing.

Reveal W3? Yeah, looked awesome. What we got...meh.

FF15 is one of the best looking open world games ever.

I agree with this. Witcher 3 is a good looking game, but there were very very few points where I said "wow", mostly because the sense of scale is so off. FFXV looks insane at times.
 

Ricker

Member
Any word on when in December that patch is coming to hopefully fix frame pacing issues?

I dont really see it on the PRO but I think the patch will help with other stuff also,even on 1080p sets,especially on the high resolution settings...and about the tutorial thing I think the person here that mentionned the frame pacing only if you do the tutorial meant,its ok after not that it stays the whole game lol...

Hopefully the patch hits in 2 weeks.
 
I played it on PS4. Never really cared for the series before it, so I say this with no special reverence or anything. I was blown away by the details. The forests, the crazy attention to detail in the landscape, the vistas. I think this game, so far as what I've seen doesn't hold a candle, except in where it excels, the animation.

Feels like we're both talking about different games. To each their own.

Even the animation isn't that great to be honest. The animations in combat and running around the world look great, but the standard conversations between other characters look very stilted and jerky. A lot of bad lip syncing and dead faced expressions. It feels inconsistent.
 

Bladenic

Member
The worst part of the graphics is the foliage. Every tree/bush/etc looks horrendous. Surprised I haven't seen more people commenting on it.
 

dafodeu

Member
How's the Framepacing on the PS4 Slim? Has there been any talk of it being fixed and has square even awknowledged it? I got the game on sale from the Microsoft store for xbox one and have been playing that, it is blurry, but smooth. I just picked up my deluxe edition for PS4 at Gamestop that I originally preordered. Can't decide if I should continue to play on xbox and return the PS4 copy or if I should just open the PS4 version. If I had a Pro the answer would be easy as I'd obviously play on that.
 

cackhyena

Member
Witcher 3 doesn't even come close to what FFXV does in sense of scale. It's just not possible in the first place due to the very nature of the world.

FFXV's lighting is also miles ahead of Witcher 3, plus it also have one of the most elaborate particle effects in any game I've seen and not just open world.

Scale for what? You talking creatures? Sure. I was pretty impressed with lighting at certain points in Witcher, haven't been so far here, but I have plenty to play yet. Particle effects are definitely better in this game. We'll see as I get deeper, but it didn't take long at all for Wicther 3 to make me want to start taking screen shots. This game? Haven't felt compelled once yet. Hope it changes.
 

Griss

Member
Fair enough. I think Witcher 3 is one of the most visually overrated games of the last 10 years. I don't think it looks really all that good at all. XV decimates it in my book. W3 has zero sense of scale, horrible grass textures everywhere, inferior lighting, mediocre animation and an overall jerky appearance. It can look decent enough on a beefy PC, I suppose, but the console versions are simply awful.

Not sure I've ever disagreed with a subjective opinion more. Absolutely amazing how we can all see and focus on different things. Really want to go find my thumb drive to post some FFXV screenshots now... they're not good.

Textures are the bedrock of a games visuals, and FFXV has terrible textures. No amount of impressive lighting can cover that.
 
Can anyone playing the French localization tell me if Cidney's name is kept as Cidney or not? Also, what's your general opinion on the localization?
 

DrBretto

Banned
Quick question-how do I access any of this DLC



Super curious to know what the camera kit does.

Near as I can tell, it's just a blue filter you have to start off. So, nothing. But I could be wrong. I could only find one place to change anything to do with the camera, and this was before I leveled up to get the normal filters. There were two cameras to pick from. One was normal and the other had a blue tint.
 
I'm confused about the empty space complaints. It's an open world game, like what do you expect? What do you guys want or need? I've never played an open world game without empty space. Do you want more collectibles like AC or what? Genuinely asking not trying to be a dick.

Also does anyone know how to do the Jump with the lance? Sometimes I get it other times I get the multi stab move.
I think there's a reason why a lot of open-world games (AC: Syndicate, GTAV, Watch Dogs) go for densely packed cities.

At least so far, the opening section has an issue that the world feels devoid of life or purpose to me. Trekking a mile or two across the landscape is not particularly fun or interesting. In fact, I think the traversal actively hampers my enjoyment right now.

I'd love to see a postmortem of the map down the road that compares the map density of points of interest and locations in XV to other open word games. For better or worse, it feels like you runs across more interesting stuff at a more rapid pace in some other open word games. I get that they're trying to give a sense of scale to the map, but I don't know that it works from a functional game design perspective.

The biggest offender of the open world so far though to me is the lack of compelling content (like I said, making the world seem pointless) particularly in sidequests. I haven't yet come across anything worth doing really, and from the sounds of it, there aren't too many later on either. You have a massive world, use it.
 
Not sure I've ever disagreed with a subjective opinion more. Absolutely amazing how we can all see and focus on different things. Really want to go find my thumb drive to post some FFXV screenshots now... they're not good.

Textures are the bedrock of a games visuals, and FFXV has terrible textures. No amount of impressive lighting can cover that.

Dude, give it up already- your are trying way to hard,
not to mention the comparison wouldn't be fair, W3 came out a while back.
Edit: Someone needs to let you play the pro version honestly.
 

Ruruja

Member
I have a couple of Chapter 9 questions:

1)
What's this Umbra ability to go to the 'past'? Does it mean go back to the previous continent to do side-quests etc or something else? I'm kind of worried if I should do it now or not

2)
So as soon as I arrive pretty much in Altissia I get the quest to meet that lady and at the door it says "Once you start this quest you can't return to the city", like what the hell I only just got here. Is that true or should I just ignore that quest for a while? (Or is there not much to do in Altissia anyways).

Thanks
 

Zomba13

Member
Right to the scene where they wake up, I believe.

They should have kept it that way then, that would have been much better than slotting in silent, out of context footage from a film. Or hell, they could've done what they used to do in ye olde days and have some kind of cutscene made for the game either using in-game models or CGI.


Anyway, outside of the so far terrible use of CGI cutscenes, I'm liking the game. about 5 hours in, just finished the first chapter and around level 10-11. I like exploring, though the driving isn't what I expected. I mean, it fits better than being able to GTA my way around the world and is probably the right implementation in a story driven open world where you pay as good guys, but I still feel it's kind of slower than I'd hoped.
 

Falk

that puzzling face
Why is this game Open World again?
Where's the benefit?

The number of people buying open world games (keeping in mind there's a lot of different things that people call 'open world') greatly dwarfs the number of people keen on buying a PS360-era design JRPG.
 

Ricker

Member
Can anyone playing the French localization tell me if Cidney's name is kept as Cidney or not? Also, what's your general opinion on the localization?

I have read that the French voice acting is great and localisation as well...can you just switch to French without restarting the game...? I will try it tonight.
 

Freeman76

Member
Those shots, though. Witcher looks so simplistic in comparison. Look at that!

I thought the witcher 3 was amazing graphically, it constantly wowed me throughout.

FF15 doesnt look as good to me even with the pro patch. Watch Dogs 2, Tomb Raider, Titanfall etc look so sharp, clean and crisp, and this isnt in the same league. Im not even sure why you are trying to prove this point really, Im happy for you that you think its great.
 

nOoblet16

Member
Scale for what? You talking creatures? Sure. I was pretty impressed with lighting at certain points in Witcher, haven't been so far here, but I have plenty to play yet. Particle effects are definitely better in this game. We'll see as I get deeper, but it didn't take long at all for Wicther 3 to make me want to start taking screen shots. This game? Haven't felt compelled once yet. Hope it changes.
I basically replied to you and said how you're wrong that FFXV is "only" better in animation and you agreed to the things I mentioned but still disregard them. There is absolutely nothing in Witcher 3 that can match up to the scale of objects, distance (from one place to another really feeling like that distance). The entire Duscae region just makes this argument moot since you won't find any area in Witcher 3 like that.


I also simply cannot see how you can be pretty impressed with Witcher 3's lighting but "haven't been so far" in FFXV when FFXV's lighting is objectively more advanced in every way you can think of..from GI to the way PBR is implemented.
 
I played it on PS4. Never really cared for the series before it, so I say this with no special reverence or anything. I was blown away by the details. The forests, the crazy attention to detail in the landscape, the vistas. I think this game, so far as what I've seen doesn't hold a candle, except in where it excels, the animation.

Feels like we're both talking about different games. To each their own.

This. I played TW3 on OG PS4, I was just absolutely amazed by the world so many times. The way the world is crafted is second to none, graphical fidelity aside. The artistic direction on such a massive scale in TW3 is something the likes of which I have never seen before. FFXV has looked great but I just don't know if I can compare it. I don't know if I want to. The Witcher 3 world is so fully realized it is scary to me how much painstaking detail is in every nook and cranny.
 
I have read that the French voice acting is great and localisation as well...can you just switch to French without restarting the game...? I will try it tonight.

Thanks

I have no idea if the localization can be switched in-game. Many games force the player to change the language of the console to get a different localization. It's lazy, but oh well.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Why do you care how people play the game? It's not lilke the side content is that good.

They shouldn't care, but the side content is fun because the surrounding systems are fun enough to support it.

Also you often get little bits of story/character revealed wile you explore

It's very fun to do side quests in this game, even if the same style of quest design isn't enjoyable in other games.
 
Honestly, I don't have a huge problem with the blurred look. Better that than jaggy. It could be improved, sure, but I don't think it takes away from the visuals too significantly.

This looks pretty darn good for a direct capture

36gc.jpg

VS (PC shot)
56gc.jpg



Fair enough. I think Witcher 3 is one of the most visually overrated games of the last 10 years. I don't think it looks really all that good at all. XV decimates it in my book. W3 has zero sense of scale, horrible grass textures everywhere, inferior lighting, mediocre animation and an overall jerky appearance. It can look decent enough on a beefy PC, I suppose, but the console versions are simply awful.

At least Witcher 3 has interiors in the buildings. FF XV city is just a very nice looking shell, but hollow.
 
Not sure I've ever disagreed with a subjective opinion more. Absolutely amazing how we can all see and focus on different things. Really want to go find my thumb drive to post some FFXV screenshots now... they're not good.

Textures are the bedrock of a games visuals, and FFXV has terrible textures. No amount of impressive lighting can cover that.

To be fair the console versions of W3 which he's talking about are not good either. IQ isn't great and the framerate, especially in Novigrad is horrendous. Both games are punching above the weight of the consoles, but FFXV has the luxury of a more stable framerate via the Pro. W3 on PC on the other hand isn't ugly but it's also no longer spectacular. W2 was much more impressive for the time it launched if we're just talking visuals.
 

Griss

Member
Honestly now, anyone know how to get to that waterfall?

To be fair the console versions of W3 which he's talking about are not good either. IQ isn't great and the framerate, especially in Novigrad is horrendous. Both games are punching above the weight of the consoles, but FFXV has the luxury of a more stable framerate via the Pro. W3 on PC on the other hand isn't ugly but it's also no longer spectacular. W2 was much more impressive for the time it launched if we're just talking visuals.

I played on PS4 (don't have a gaming PC) and thought TW3 was spectacular. Granted I first played it some time ago and standards change. When you'd enter a building on a rainy night in the Witcher, and see through the shimmering glass the people passing by outside... come on. It was amazing.

Dude, give it up already- your are trying way to hard,
not to mention the comparison wouldn't be fair, W3 came out a while back.
Edit: Someone needs to let you play the pro version honestly.

What on earth are you talking about?
 

Ruruja

Member
Also probably been mentioned but 'To Zanarkand' is kiiinda in the game, it's one of the Dissidia FF10 songs - Movement in Green.
 

Falk

that puzzling face
Also probably been mentioned but 'To Zanarkand' is kiiinda in the game, it's one of the Dissidia FF10 songs - Movement in Green.

...Movement in Green is from FFX D:

edit: nevermind, just understood what you meant when I remembered the Dissidia version.
 
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