Also the transmedia effort probably did not help on the narration part.
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Also the transmedia effort probably did not help on the narration part.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Versus was 25 percent complete by the time Tabata was at the helm. From my understanding, he fired lots of people, scrapped Stella cause she wasn't working out and added Luna to be just like Stella but stronger. After that was building the whole open world, feedback from the demo and time to polish everything. They already had half the world from Versus done and it was only a matter of time to polish everything. They finalized a release date with a huge event telling us the game would be amazing, great, etc and some things in trailers aren't even present in game. They had a huge budget to even create a movie out of XV, an anime, Justice monsters V, Cup noodle campaign, etc. They delayed it in September cause the game was looking rough in the master version. Now that it is finally released and we played it, it doesn't live to any expectations Tabata told us about because really the story is there but it isn't fleshed out enough. It feels super super rushed from
chapter 9 on when Luna dies as the strong female and the reunion becomes a dream. After that you are on a train with a trickster that locks you up in a fortress before having the support of Gentiana who is secretly Shiva. Oh, SE you've really done it now.
Killer Queen
Banned
I don't even think that's stuff is a big deal because it's all stuff that happens before the game, having it take place in game either gives you a half an hour CG cutscene at least or ruins the front half of the game if you put Noctis and the team in Insomnia during its invasion. Brotherhood stuff isn't mandatory either so I think this is by far the best way to have done it in the timeframe they were given.
Uh you know you can just press sprint again as the bar gets near to the end and it refills straight away with no stopping? Don't waste your AP imo.
I had a long car ride and they complained about that which was a nice touch.
LIKE CLOCKWORK
Every time someone hates the combat system, the criticism MUST come with "people who like it just enjoy fancy and shallow stuff".
Jesus.
I'm feeling less and less compelled to stand by your side when people inavitably come to tell you that you suck. It's absolutely ridiculous that people deflect criticism with "you don't know how to play", but it's not nearly as bad as supporting criticism with implying that people who like it are shallow and stupid, unable to properly anaylze a combat system and too bad at games to enjoy an actually deep combat system.
DarknessTear
Banned
Jesus traveling in this game is pure torture. Giving me memories of FFXI here. I've spent most of my day just trying to get places with no feeling of progress.
Fast travel and chocobos made it incredibly painless for me. I still use auto drive for short distances just to take in the view and OSTs.
Killer Queen
Banned
I think you're oversimplifying things. Game development isn't easy, especially a game of this size and you're under the assumption that FFXV is FFVersus when it isn't really.
It's obvious the game has gone under substantial changes since then and Its likely that the "25%" of versus was scrapped along with most everything from that game save the main characters and an incredibly basic outline of where the story should go.
They now have, let's say 4 years since Versus 13 was scrapped to grab some pieces and rebuild it into a full game that stands on its own, so it can't piggyback off of some of the FF13 world either.
Money and budget weren't the issue with this game, it was time and I imagine that SE told them they have until Q4 2016 to get this game out after having it exist for 10 years. Again, it wasn't being actively worked on until it was rebooted not even by Nomura.
I'm not saying that you can't or shouldn't be disappointed, that's up to you and personally I don't care.
But the idea that 'This shouldn't be this way if they had 10 years to work on it!' is just out right false. Because they didn't.
We have no way of knowing what Versus 13 was like as a game, we had some CGI cutscenes and knew that it was 'being worked on' but just barely.
You don't know what that 25% consisted of whether it be story, world design, over world, etc or whether the game was linear or open world.
So that argument holds no weight because it could've been 25% of anything and its very likely that maybe 5-10% of that 25% made it into FFXV.
But what you do have is a released game that you can buy and play, that you can watch gameplay of, that actually exists.
And that game started existing in 2012, not 2006.
If you have an idea for a painting and you get 25% done then start over with a similar idea in mind but complete a different painting then the one you had started, you may have started the process 10 days ago but if you then restarted on day 6 you didn't spent 10 days working on that painting.
So once again, no they did not work on it for 10 years.
Well there already is sort of a penalty, you don't level, and not eating is a penalty in itself since you are lacking buffs. I could see them having a system where your stats get worse off gradually but scrapped it.
~1 hour
It's a good idea to just follow the story on this chapter. Go back to the side missions on the next one
EDIT (your second question):
you can take the picture later. It's an easy achievement, don't worry
Lunafreya is a lol character. The game gives no reason to care about her which is infuriating. I love the game but I hate this story with a passion. It's completely shit and all over the place.
Too many useless waste of space plot device characters in this game. Lunafreya is one of them.
Too many useless waste of space plot device characters in this game. Lunafreya is one of them.
DarknessTear
Banned
Well since I'm not at the point where Ignis will drive at night it's quite annoying.
I don't care about the story as much as I care about the fact that this game feels like a giant time sink into traveling and boring quests.
DPtheGod
Member
Sweet thank you!
I stayed in the RV right away and didn't get the picture so I got worried haha
Muffdraul
Member
"But I WANT TO KNOW NOW"
RedlineRonin
Member
Finally figured out how to quickly burn through these cid weapon upgrade quests
Pejo
Member
Made it to A
last night before bed, finally, after doing all of the sidequests possible. Man that first view of the city is REAALLLLLY downgraded from the VS trailers and promo stuff. I actually audibly laughed at how badly it looked.
It's really confusing to navigate too, but that's not totally a bad thing. After I made it to the contact there, I was too tired to continue for the night though.
The battle OST in this game is so amazing. Really makes random fights seem tense, and boss/special fights seem truly epic. They made some strong choices in the roadtrip car music selections, but also a lot of really puzzling ones, like the remixed battle themes from Dissidia when they already had the original battle themes.
My 3 favorite songs from FFXI made it though (Ronfaure, Zi'Tah, and Ragnarok).
ltissa
It's really confusing to navigate too, but that's not totally a bad thing. After I made it to the contact there, I was too tired to continue for the night though.
The battle OST in this game is so amazing. Really makes random fights seem tense, and boss/special fights seem truly epic. They made some strong choices in the roadtrip car music selections, but also a lot of really puzzling ones, like the remixed battle themes from Dissidia when they already had the original battle themes.
My 3 favorite songs from FFXI made it though (Ronfaure, Zi'Tah, and Ragnarok).
YankeeDonB
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If I understand your question, Noctis can "dash to behind." You just do a free warp (i.e., no enemy hard or soft lock) and he can phase right through enemies and come out the other side. Then engage soft lock and strike for back attack. Works particularly well w/ larger enemies.
Are you using a lot of healing items? If you are, stop using them. I know it's a self imposed challenge and the game is still at fault for making it so hard for you to die if you don't want to, but it's not broken and impossibly hard either, at least not so far (the post game content is most likely designed around using all your stuff).
I avoid using healing items as much as possible (at least during battles), and refuse to use phoenix down. So far it's decently challenging. I'm not really dying, but it's not a walk in the park either. I also consider anything below A a terrible ranking, especially for Time, so potions wouldn't help me here either.
If you're already not healing and still think it's laughably easy, then you're just too good, or I suck, or both.
Cutscenes are not the only way of telling a story, though. They didn't show some optional NPC dialogue, the cosmogony books, the radio shows, all of the optional party quests and their in-game dialogue and etc.
I completely agree that it lacks cutscenes anyway, and I hope the patch will deliver on that, but there's a lot of story and lore in the game. Good or bad, well told or not.
Noct is a great husbando!
Would awkwardly hug in my room after reaching social link rank 10.
Are you using food buffs? They can greatly increase their HP. I only now started to have issues with Prompto dying because I removed his health +200 accessory and gave him the one that lets him take more photos instead.
SoraanTribal
Member
Can someone please explain how to trigger armiger chain properly? It's hit or miss with me. Isn't it just pressing r1 and l1 together?
Well, first of all, Altissia was never in the Versus trailers. Second, the first look we had of the city in the E3 2013 trailer was CGI.
Try to stop attacking when you activate, and try to be on the ground.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Gladios turned into fucking dick head. This dude needs a ass whooping.
Damn, Chapter
has both some really high highs and some really low lows.
had me almost in tears, while
made me literally screaming WHAT THE FUCK COME ON SQUARE ENIX, and
was too soon,
. I don't know how the story goes from here to
, but they should have had
.
The
fight was visually great and pretty meh gameplay-wise, but i always took those as a natural evolution of the PSS1/PS2 era CGI cutscenes, plus there is no pratical way to fight such giant creatures, so i guess this is fine.
9
That CGI sequence
Ignis going blind
Luna's death
she should have either received some more story exposition cutscenes
Tenebrae
her travelling with the party for a while from Altissia to Tenebrae, to give the player some time to spend with her, to care about her, and only then kill her off. Because those couple of moments she had were legit good
The
Leviathan
Killer Queen
Banned
Yeah I dunno what happened. Like it was somewhat reasonable during the first few chapters then after Chapter 10 it's like "What the fuck dude"
Muffdraul
Member
The key is that the button prompt has to be appearing on screen at the moment you push the buttons. It has this funny habit of disappearing and reappearing constantly, I haven't paid enough attention to know what causes that.
YankeeDonB
Member
Well, first of all, Altissia was never in the Versus trailers. Second, the first look we had of the city in the E3 2013 trailer was CGI.
Try to stop attacking when you activate, and try to be on the ground.
Yes, this -- also, seems pretty finicky about hitting the buttons at JUST the same time. I have good luck when I stop all other input for just a second than really precisely pop both bumpers at the same time.
The timeskip is to blame for this feeling i think. While it looks sudden and unwarranted to the viewer because the ignis and luna thing happened not 5 minutes back, the story expects you to remember that this is several weeks later of Noct apparently just moping around on the boat or whatever and Gladio is just sick of it by this point and wants him to actually act like a king that these people would sacrifice everything for
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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It is warranted for a number of reasons. Because the story is built around Noctis,
and he is king, Gladio shows him the courage to put Luna behind him
the whole world on his shoulders and Gladio needed to show him that.
It looks like he's
blaming Noctis for what happened to Ignis
SoraanTribal
Member
Well, first of all, Altissia was never in the Versus trailers. Second, the first look we had of the city in the E3 2013 trailer was CGI.
Try to stop attacking when you activate, and try to be on the ground.
Thanks! Maybe I'm still executing an attack chain and it won't trigger lol. Can be really annoying tho.
Cool, thanks for telling us how to do it too.
Shadow Broker
Banned
I'm only chapter 11. Is it safe to read these spoilers? Lol.. I'm curious in you all reasoning.
Wow, this is really really bad.
Fix this shit, Guerrilla!
Fast travel is absolutely disgusting. You should feel ashamed.
Killer Queen
Banned
Yeah it's safe. You're past that point.
privitsan02
Member
Wow game crashed during a boss fight...
Shadow Broker
Banned
Thanks.
Just read all the reasonings for Gladio behavior suddenly changing and yeah the reasoning makes sense but I got triggered when Gladio told Noct
get his ass in the train when Noct was looking up at the snow.
Ok, let's be honest with ourselves for a moment. Gladio
is sworn to protect Noctis, even if it means giving his own life.
RedlineRonin
Member
Wasn't sure if I was LTTP on figuring it out and everyone else knew? And nice way to ask someone something?
Anyway, I'm pretty much just regurgitating what's in the piggyback guide (and the collector's is awesome if you get a chance to see it) but each one of the quests has a number of quests/hunts you need to do when it tells you to "wait until cod calls" idr exact ones for each one, but it's 1-3 depending on level of quest, e.g. A better engine blade I you need to do one but a better engine blade III you need to do 3.
The part I figured out is you can just re do the already completed hunts, so just go to Takka in hammerhead three times and re do that level two hunt three times for example, sleep in the camper next to the restaurant and cid will call you in the morning to come get it.
Check GAF during the ride. It's pretty immersive.
Agreed.
I really loved that at least one of the party members dared to bitch slap Noctis back into reality. Yes, Noctis was suffering for the loss of his loved ones, but Gladio also lost his father and who knows how many family members, same as Ignis (Who also lost his vision completely). As the King, Noctis was supposed to be on top of things and trying to recover quickly and not to lose focus. Gladio was an ass, but he needed to be an ass.
It's funny, I really wasn't feeling much for Gladio up to that point, but then I had a renewed appreciation for him. As the "shield" of the Royal family, his duty was always to act strong and stoic, even in the darkest moments.
It's funny, I really wasn't feeling much for Gladio up to that point, but then I had a renewed appreciation for him. As the "shield" of the Royal family, his duty was always to act strong and stoic, even in the darkest moments.
stargateheaven
Member
someone help me with cid weapon upgrading!! it's not working.. :-/ i need to bring crowel whiskers for the lance but he wont take them. what am i doing wrong?
Do you actually have them? The quest dialog acts like you have it even if you don't.
stargateheaven
Member
i specifically went to a hunt to get them. i have x8 and it still won't work.. i don't know what i am doing wrong.
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