Skifi28
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How is it a CPU bottleneck when the game has to consistently drop resolution to get 60fps?
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Final Fantasy XVI PC Release in the Final Stages of Optimization. Demo planned before release.
daninthemix
Member
Curious why it would need to when Nvidia's DLSS is objectively superior to native.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It actually is technically impressive, especially real time cutscenes
But Square simply does not prioritize Framerate, and generally their games on PC aren’t well optimized
They seem to do better when only one platform is involved
Zathalus
Member
The quality mode drops to 1080p. And dropping resolution has got absolutely nothing to do with the GPU. Even counting out frame drops that is still 1080/30 and 720/60 at the worst.
Chukhopops
Member
Also it’s not like SE has the best track record when it comes to PC ports so it may not even run that much better.
The game has really good art direction (and that’s all it has, honestly) but I wouldn’t expect something extraordinary out of the PC port.
Shifty1897
Member
If it doesn't, the PC version is poorly optimized.
ClosBSAS
Member
Lol if its optimized a 4090 can run anything. Hell, even my 3090 build can run anything. Pa5 is already becoming obsolete, pro version needs to come out soon
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Right, but that's a different game. Rift Apart on PS5 in hits 4K/30 with RT reflections. FF XVI doesn't even sniff 4K on PS5 so we cannot extrapolate the performance from a highly competent developer.
I will say this though, Skull & Bones runs at 720p upscaled to 1440p using FSR2 on SX/PS5 to hit 60fps (and still dips at times). The 4090 on the other hand has no problem hitting 90fps+ at 4K native. That's 9x the pixel count at a 50% higher frame rate so it's pushing 13.5x as many pixels every second lmao. We need to consider the impact of FSR2 but this still makes no sense given the performance profiles.
4K60 on a 4090 isn't impossible, especially given the visual makeup of this game but using PS5 as a baseline, it seems like a tall order.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
It's controversial in the sense that we are on the internet, and the average internet citizen behaves like:
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Very rarely. i played the game for 60 hours and i could immediately tell when it was dropping to 1080p. Its a 1440p game that can actually go up to 1728p at times.
There is some kind of bottleneck on consoles that is causing devs to drop resolutions all the way to 720p to hit 60 fps and in FF16's case, it doesnt even work. It STILL drops frames at 720p in some battles. And thats after they downgraded the settings. Skull and Bones just came out, runs at native 4k 30 fps on consoles and then drops to 720p in the 60 fps mode. If the GPU is powerful enough to run at native 4k then it should be powerful enough run games at half the resolution or around half, not dropping to 1/8th the resolution just to hit 60 fps.
I ran the skull and bones beta just fine at 4k 60 fps maxed out with ray tracing on my 3080. This card is roughly 2x more powerful than the PS5 and yet it is performing 8x better in the 60 fps mode. something doesnt add up.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They probably will. Trend is usually Console > Epic only > PC.
SkylineRKR
Member
Don't fall for the demo. Narrative and pacing wise it never gets this good again.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
"Native" doesn't really mean anything anymore.
Will be thrilled to play this with DLSS Quality 4k & Frame Generation for 4k/90-120 on my setup.
VolticArchangel
Member
Watch it be Epic exclusive for a year. Lmaooooo
Slimboy Fat
Member
But on steam you'll probably be able to get it for a couple of bucks on sale. I think it'll be worth it at some point just for the presentation alone lol
kazuyamishima
Member
About a year later, but better than never.
I hope that all the people saying exclusivity killed this game will support the PC version.
I hope that all the people saying exclusivity killed this game will support the PC version.
Nickolaidas
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I loved the demo but the full game is so disappointing. Probably tied with Spore as my biggest gaming disappointment of all time. It’s such a boring, pointless slog like 80% of the time. It sucks whether you judge it as a JRPG or a character action game.
Brock2621
Member
Dude I promise you won’t regret it. It’s not sonic, and the story arc itself is amazing. I implore you to jump in
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
One of them is a liar. Find the truth and expose them!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
NOPE! Totally wrong!
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
The problem with this game it's being called Final Fantasy. Any other name or brand and it would be one of the best action games of the decade. Its a great action game, it's a lousy Final Fantasy.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
It’s terrible as an action game. Enemies don’t even fight back, they just stand there like training dummies while you rotate through your 6 abilities off cooldown and chip away at their health.
Maybe it’s better on “Final Fantasy mode” or whatever. But I’m not going to play a boring 50+ hour game just to replay it again at a higher difficulty. Especially when all the sidequests, exploration, and (lack of) RPG elements are also so dreadfully boring.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It’s not a lie to state that the final game is nothing like the game of thrones inspired almost naughty dog quality storytelling you see in the demo.
The game is fine but they suckered a lot of people in with that very misleading demo. Only the combat is the same. The story is less game of thrones and more like the last few hours of ff15. Over the top classic jrpg nonsense.
The 4 eikon battles are cool but in a 60 hour game, that’s not enough.
SantaC
Member
If you mean by trend it was one game lol
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Schmendrick
Member
Square Enix and optimization.... Right.
Oh well not that I'd ever touch this bloated bag of fetch quests again.
Oh well not that I'd ever touch this bloated bag of fetch quests again.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Plus for every riveting GoT-style scene filled with dramatic tension and intrigue, or bombastic AAA set piece, there are 10 others where it’s characters standing there like mannequins yapping on and on about something nobody cares about.
I swear this was originally planned as a linear character action FF spinoff game that would’ve been maybe 15-20 hours. Then they added all the sidequests, open exploration, totally pointless crafting system, etc in order to justify calling it Final Fantasy XVI. The quality difference is pretty dramatic.
kazuyamishima
Member
Beautiful, I hope more people buy the game, it's good.
Celcius
°Temp. member
Yep that's my thought as well - an announcement in 2 weeks at PAX or GDC
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Will try a Demo
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
From the videos I've seen it falls a bit short of 4K60 fps on a 3080 at max settings. It's generally 50-55fps. Still, that's almost 9x times the amount of raw pixels and even factoring that they're upscaling from 720p to 1440p doesn't explain the disparity.
There is some fuckery going on in some console games where the res drops way too low. On PC with a 2070S and a 3600, console settings, and DLSS Performance at 1440p, it maintains 80fps+. I think native 1080p/60fps would have been far preferable to 720p upscaled to 1440p using FSR. The only place where it's CPU-limited is in St.Anne's where it can drop to the high 50s on a 3600. Otherwise, it's 70-100fps in the open world.
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Go_Ly_Dow
Member
It's a beautiful game already on base PS5 in quality mode, so simply slapping on crisper IQ with better resolution along with 60fps and it will look wonderful.
Maybe I should buy a gaming PC.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Not always. Depends on the TAA technique being used.
Their shadow rendering technique is very gpu intensive, often compared to RT shadows, and has received praise from DF, NXGamer, etc.
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/tech/library/pdf/2023_FFXVIShadowTechPaper.pdf
In regards to optimization, it seems to me this game was designed to run at 30fps on PS5 console and Square didn't anticipate gaming community's demand for 60fps with the current generation so performance mode was haphazardly tacked on late in development. I expect high end PC to be able to brute force at or near 4k60.
CrimsonSquall
Member
Chills. This game wasn’t perfect but come on yall this is a standout JRPG in the genre.
The highs in this game imo have almost no parallels, it’s an impressive af game.
Varteras
Member
Well, it took 20 months for Remake to drop on PC after the console release. If that's any indication of the timeline for a PC port, we're looking at anywhere from Holiday 2024 to Summer 2025
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
ChiefDada
Gold Member
This comment gets funnier by the day.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Still not 3 months from the second DLC's release.
Really good character action game that has some flaws and runs out of steam at the end but was worth the time I put into it. Banging soundtrack and visuals and good enough story (barely) to keep me interested. Should be a cool spectacle on the top PCs.
I do vastly prefer FF7 Rebirth of the two games though.
I do vastly prefer FF7 Rebirth of the two games though.
Brigandier
Member
I was a fan when the game came out but now that I replayed it for the platinum around February on Final Fantasy mode I'm not sure what I was enjoying as it's worse MUCH worse than normal mode the battle system is painfully dull.... enemies are just damage sponges who don't move or flinch when being wailed on and just stand there or are easily dodged or parried, Like you say training dummies whilst cycling through 6 specials, it becomes very tedious.
The lack of elemental weaknesses to exploit properly or magic spells to use sucked too, bizarre easy combat system that even my cat could understand.
I don't understand how there's no combos to learn or unlock and enemies that are fun to fight besides Eikon battles, The fodder mobs are stupid dumb and sub/mini bosses are hilarious they take forever to kill and are total pussys.
Even the Eikon battles become a chore due to lack of specials/combos.
I hope FF14 team stay well clear of anymore FF games unless they seriously tighten up combat, Like REALLY tighten up.