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[Ivory Samoan]

88 not bad, but not good enough to save square enix.

Um....what?

In other news, Opencritic's 90 is an amazing achievement.

 

[Hypereides]

(...)

that’s stupid as hell, lot great JRPGs are blow 90 heck Dragon Quest XI when it first came out on PS4.

Maybe I should've added a "/s" at the end of that sentence.

 

[rofif]

FF7:Rebirth looks much better, imo. So maybe that one can? I also didn’t know Square needed saving.

I can't wait for rebirth but it's a done deal. Those who liked remake, will get rebirth. Not many new people.
ff16 can gather millions others

 

[danklord]

Reviewers make money on you clicking their article

 

[ungalo]

There seems to be 2 or 3 really "woke" reviews, it is negligeable compared to some fair criticism i've read.

 

[justonething]

You don't have an actual opinion though. "Game getting great reviews but I think it looks horrible" is only a valid opinion to morons

So because you don't like an opinion, it's not an opinion and I'm "miserable"? If it's not an opinion, what is it? Explain yourself, you can't say something that nasty and get away with it.

 

[KàIRóS]

Well considering the fact that those SJWs would obviously give it a low score for the stupidest reasons, an 88 is actually really good, it's basically 90+ if we remove those clowns from the equation.

 

[Danjin44]

Maybe I should've added a "/s" at the end of that sentence.

I know, I’m saying overall, it very stupid for people who can’t enjoy games unless it’s 90+.

 

[SlimySnake]

Eurogamer and Polygon should praise it because you only kill white people in this game

 

[Guilty_AI]

As funny as it sounds, the best reviewer IS the one who agrees with you.

What I mean isn't the surface level bullshit that guy trying to pull a gotcha moment was implying. You have to spend time across multiple reviews, videos, etc to get to know what they value in games. What they like and what they don't like. When that matches up decently well with your own opinions you have someone you can reliably look to for a review that would be applicable to you.

It's why when FightinCowboy reviews FF16 and says it's his clear GotY and he has a hard time putting it down to even do a review, I'm very confident in my purchase because what he enjoys in games is very similar to my own. That's much more valuable to me than pretty much every other review; even if they happen to share that opinion lol

You do realize what you're saying is exactly what i meant right? Thus the "i dont mean this sarcastically" second part you probably forgot to read

 

[Macaron]

So because you don't like an opinion, it's not an opinion and I'm "miserable"? If it's not an opinion, what is it? Explain yourself, you can't say something that nasty and get away with I don't

You don't seem to understand the difference between valid opinion and stupidity. Valid opinion are the reviewers and people who played the demo giving their take. Stupidity is you being miserable coming in this thread to say "eh ive seen some videos it looks horrible"

Enjoy being that way

 

[Thabass]

Most people should realize by now that experimentation with gameplay and exploration of deeper mechanics is not gaming journos' strong suit.

There might be a deeper combat system in FFXVI, but these guys will likely never reach it.


Danjin, anything below 90 is no-go territory. Its either 90-95 ("might be good") or 95-100 ("its OK").

There is, if you've seen any combat video in the last week, you would know how deep the rabbit hole goes with the combat. These people aren't journalists, they're activists. I'm sick and tired of saying otherwise.

 

[Yoshichan]

Not gonna be ”that guy” but what I say?

This is the reviews Final Fantasy will be getting for the rest of its living franchise.

95 ”no problem” btw omegalolz

 

[GymWolf]

Some studio's and ips get that 90+ automatically. The hate boner for sqaure and final fantasy is to big tho.

I assure you Starfield getting close to 95 no matter the critism.

And yet Ff15 was trash and got an 81 (85 on pc), that piece of shit deserve maybe a 6 just for the graphic and that's it.

All main final fantasy games, even the uber shitty ones have close to 80 on metacritic.


Final fantasy gets a boost in scores like every big famous ip, don't kid yourself thinking otherwise.

You should not care about metacritic to begin with.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Eurogamer and Polygon should praise it because you only kill white people in this game

 

[MagiusNecros]

Are people coping over a 88 score?

People cried about Twilight Princess getting a 8.8. So sure I guess.

Game overall to me looks like a mid 70 or low 80 score overall if that's what people care about. The scores IMO are pretty meaningless given every big budget game gets paid off to at least have a big 80 number.

Given a couple of the negative reviews that probably stems from Yoshi P hurting their feelings and standing his ground on making a European medieval fantasy game instead of catering to include ethnic characters for the sake of adding ethnic characters. But that really shouldn't factor into any objective review.

 

[Boneless]

Great reviews, can't wait to play!

 

[mckmas8808]

Too high for who?

For half the people in this thread that thought it would get a 90-95%. But it is close. 88% is VERY VERY close.

 

[Fabieter]

For gods sake, not everything is about nostalgia.

Is it such a crime to have expectation and have specific tastes? The fact that the RPG elements are VERY light, on a RPG franchise, is a real issue. Plus, the game is reviewing really well. I don't get the complaints.

No offense but compare something like badlurs gate 3 in August with the whole final fantasy franchise and you will see that the whole series is light on rpg.

 

[fermcr]

Game averages 100 minus the 12 points docked by derpy derps like you and EG that undervalue FF and have agendas

Derpy derps like you will always be derpy derps.

 

[Gudji]

88 not bad, but not good enough to save square enix.

 

[ssringo]

You do realize what you're saying is exactly what i meant right? Thus the "i dont mean this sarcastically" second part you probably forgot to read

No actually I didn't realize that. It's not how it reads to me. Misunderstandings happen with one line comments. My apologies.

 

[STARSBarry]

From The Guardian

"And it’s sad that in the pursuit of “realistic” fantasy, the FF team has erased people of colour from their own history of slavery – they are absent from the game. Worse, there is a desert region, complete with some stereotypical oriental music, occupied by lightly tanned characters with clearly western features. It feels as if the amount of care taken with other aspects of the game wasn’t extended to people of colour, and that stings."

I am glad that The Guardian is now the authority on what brown people can and cannot look like.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So check this shit out, Eurogamer, who is overwhelmingly white, is criticizing an Asian studio for deciding their artwork and original story centers around a fantasy medieval Europe/UK, containing mainly white non agency having fictional characters, which Eurogamer is literally is/was a part of.

You can't make this retardation up. These people have lost the plot.

Retardception.

 

[Draugoth]

And it’s sad that in the pursuit of “realistic” fantasy, the FF team has erased people of colour from their own history of slavery – they are absent from the game.

These guys skipped the entire Roman Empire history class.

 

[mckmas8808]

Reviews like this are starting to get SOOO ANNOYING!!!! I mean come on guys! Can't you at least try something new?

 

[DeepEnigma]

These guys skipped the entire Roman Empire history class.

And the Ottoman Empire where the word slave literally comes from. (Slavic)

 

[Thabass]

Reviews like this are starting to get SOOO ANNOYING!!!! I mean come on guys! Can't you at least try something new?

You expected more from Polygon?

 

[Draugoth]

I genuinely burst out laughing at that quote, now i need to clean my monitor.

 

[justonething]

You don't seem to understand the difference between valid opinion and stupidity. Valid opinion are the reviewers and people who played the demo giving their take. Stupidity is you being miserable coming in this thread to say "eh ive seen some videos it looks horrible"

Enjoy being that way

So I didn't have a "valid opinion" and all I posted was "stupidity". Here is what an opinion is based on the oxford dicitionary: "view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"that, in my opinion, is right". Go on, tell me how it isn't an opinion. All you've done is state you think it's ill-informed and and stupid - none of which discounts it from being an opinion. Still would love to know how attacking someone's character is justified, civil and well-adjusted instead of just saying it's the opinion is ill-informed. I'm waiting.

 

[Palabragrís]

Haven't read every comment here, so I'm not sure if this was mentioned already, but watch out with Eurogamer, they have two different reviews from two different reviewers, one in the website and one in Youtube. At least, that's what EG itself says in the comments.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

From The Guardian

"And it’s sad that in the pursuit of “realistic” fantasy, the FF team has erased people of colour from their own history of slavery – they are absent from the game. Worse, there is a desert region, complete with some stereotypical oriental music, occupied by lightly tanned characters with clearly western features. It feels as if the amount of care taken with other aspects of the game wasn’t extended to people of colour, and that stings."

I am glad that The Guardian is now the authority on what brown people can and cannot look like.

Fuck me mother cunting sideways, as a person of color I'm offended by their offendedness of my perceived offendedness-ness.

Get that shit out of here Guardian/Eurogamer et al, I'm now blown away it still got a 90 on OC with this in the negative bias cauldron.

 

[Fabieter]

And yet Ff15 was trash and got an 81 (85 on pc), that piece of shit deserve maybe a 6 just for the graphic and that's it.

All main final fantasy games, even the uber shitty ones have close to 80 on metacritic.


Final fantasy gets a boost in scores like every big famous ip, don't kid yourself thinking otherwise.

You should not care about metacritic to begin with.

Like I said I got the game a day early so it won't matter for me for getting the game but it will impact sales in a big way. Don't underestimate the impact on sales.

 

[Madflavor]

Haven't resd every comment here, so I'm not sure if this was mentioned already, but watch out with Eurogamer, thay have two different reviews from two different reviewers, one in the website and one in Youtube. At least, that's what EG itself says in the comments.

Apparently both reviews are by different people and the one who did the video liked it a lot more.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

88 and 90 is absolutely fantastic.

GotY contender if some were trying to count Diablo and HiFi Rush as those both scored lower. But we all know TotK is unassailable.

 

[Macaron]

So I didn't have a "valid opinion" and all I posted was "stupidity". Here is what an opinion is:
opinion is based on the oxford dicitionary "view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"that, in my opinion, is right". Go on, tell me how it isn't an opinion. All you've done is state you think it's ill-informed and and stupid - none of which discounts it from being an opinion. Still would love to know how attacking someone's character is justified, civil and well-adjusted instead of just saying it's the opinion is ill-informed. I'm waiting.

I said valid opinion for a reason. I could say "I think Zendaya should be the president". Is that an opinion? Yes. Is it stupid? Especially knowing nothing about her or politics like you know nothing about this game outside the videos you watched? Yes.

So again, you have an opinion, its just not a VALID one. Its a stupid one, that you came in here to share for no other reason than you're a miserable person who seeks attention. You got it, hope you enjoyed it

 

[mckmas8808]

You expected more from Polygon?

Yeah, kinda. At this point at least. As a black man that's 100% about diversity and all DEI programs because they 100% matter and are great for society.........................................when I see reviews like that, all I think of is..............

Creators should have and need to have creative choices. Especially if it's content is dealing in fantasy and isn't historical at all.

 

[Alebrije]

Well it seem its the same Kingdom Come non sense from reviewers about skin color....shame.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yeah, kinda. At this point at least. As a black man that's 100% about diversity and all DEI programs because they 100% matter and are great for society.........................................when I see reviews like that, all I think of is..............

Creators should have and need to have creative choices. Especially if it's content is dealing in fantasy and isn't historical at all.

I was just going to say, you know it's getting bad when my man mckmas8808 is getting fed up with this over these top slacktivism mental theatrics.

 

[Teslerum]

From The Guardian

"And it’s sad that in the pursuit of “realistic” fantasy, the FF team has erased people of colour from their own history of slavery – they are absent from the game. Worse, there is a desert region, complete with some stereotypical oriental music, occupied by lightly tanned characters with clearly western features. It feels as if the amount of care taken with other aspects of the game wasn’t extended to people of colour, and that stings."

I am glad that The Guardian is now the authority on what brown people can and cannot look like.

Yes, I was so upset when they did that in Ivalice. So upset. As soon as I started playing FFXII and saw that white people were running around in Rabanastre I couldn't play the game anymore. How dare they lift Dalmasca from their previous game. /s

 

[FlexioCZ]

Um....what?

In other news, Opencritic's 90 is an amazing achievement.

Um its 91 again

 

[Teslerum]

Opencritic is at 91 now.

 

[STARSBarry]

Fuck me mother cunting sideways, as a person of color I'm offended by their offendedness of my perceived offendedness-ness.

Get that shit out of here Guardian/Eurogamer et al, I'm now blown away it still got a 90 on OC with this in the negative bias cauldron.

The best part is who wrote the guardian review

Now where have I heard that name before...

Oh what's that, two Eurogamer reviews for the price of one... ding ding ding!

 

[Madflavor]

This could still easily end up being GOTY for a lot of people. The three GOTY contenders this year are really gonna be TotK, FFXVI, and Starfield. Only one of these games is story heavy with a huge emphasis on combat. The rest are open world sandbox adventure/rpgs. FFXVI being the most different of the bunch is going to appeal to some people more during award season.

Um its 91 again

Apparently OC is run by an 80 year old, because it's sitting at 65 reviews while MC has 100.

 

[killatopak]

Square Enix seeing people they gave review codes giving it low scores because there are no lesbian knights:

Later that day

 

[Balducci30]

kinda weird to me people are knocking it for being white when it’s a Japanese game?

 

[CherryFalls]

From The Guardian

"And it’s sad that in the pursuit of “realistic” fantasy, the FF team has erased people of colour from their own history of slavery – they are absent from the game. Worse, there is a desert region, complete with some stereotypical oriental music, occupied by lightly tanned characters with clearly western features. It feels as if the amount of care taken with other aspects of the game wasn’t extended to people of colour, and that stings."

I am glad that The Guardian is now the authority on what brown people can and cannot look like.

Do people these days, especially the guardian author, really not know that white people where subject to some of the worst salvery in history as well?

 

[justonething]

I said valid opinion for a reason. I could say "I think Zendaya should be the president". Is that an opinion? Yes. Is it stupid? Especially knowing nothing about her or politics like you know nothing about this game outside the videos you watched? Yes.

So again, you have an opinion, its just not a VALID one. Its a stupid one, that you came in here to share for no other reason than you're a miserable person who seeks attention. You got it, hope you enjoyed it

Here's what you said:

You don't have an actual opinion though.

Now you're saying I don't have a "valid opinion", whatever that means. An opinion is an opinion, there is no such thing as an "invalid" opinion that doesn't even make any sense. The example you gave is still a valid opinion, it's just not a good one, and doesn't give me permission to insult the person saying it. You still haven't told us how you think disagreeing with and disliking someone's opinion, especially about a fucking game gives you justification to insult them, don't reply to me without answering that.
Me communicating on a forum thread discussing the reviews for the game that I don't like the look of the game even from the reviews, makes me "miserable" and a "person who seeks attention".

 

[Macaron]

Here's what you said:

Now you're saying I don't have a "valid opinion", whatever that means. An opinion is an opinion, there is no such thing as an "invalid" opinion that doesn't even make any sense. The example you gave is still a valid opinion, it's just not a good one, and doesn't give me permission to insult the person saying it. You still haven't told us how you think disagreeing with and disliking someone's opinion, especially about a fucking game gives you justification to insult them, don't reply to me without answering that.
Me communicating on a forum thread discussing the reviews for the game that I don't like the look of the game even from the reviews, makes me "miserable" and a "person who seeks attention".

OK giving you attention was a bad idea. Now you wanna spread your miserableness as much as possible. Have a good day

 

[Ar¢tos]

Fextralife gave it 9.3

Final Fantasy XVI Review: An Action-Packed Upgrade for a Beloved Franchise

Final Fantasy 16 Review: Impressions from the full version of FFXVI, including combat, story and new game plus replayability.

fextralife.com

(sorry if already mentioned)