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Fire Emblem Awakening |OT| Lord of the RNG
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Basileus777
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I don't know of it's "broken," but it's powerful enough that there aren't really many tradeoffs for using it. It's not a powerful option, it's the way to go in almost every case. Some of that is due to the map and mission design (which isn't great in this game), but it'd be nice if there were more interesting decisions to be made when choosing whether or not to pair.
SolarKnight
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She may imagine you naked, but she never draws you as such like Fred...that we know of anyways.
Pairing is not at all broken. In fact I've lost a unit, restarted the chapter and been better off not pairing. By not pairing you get more people to attack with, a better spread of experience and more people to tank with.
WrenchNinja
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Well yeah, when you make all the units weak compared to enemies unlike past games, or all the enemies strong compared to your units, or however you want to phrase it, of course the game is designed around you pairing and closing the gap.
Yeahhhh that sucks, at least if they didn't wanna give her a child, give her some A rank supports
On occasion I've paired up units to ferry a long distance, and then separated them on the same turn to create a multi-unit wall. There are definitely advantages to not pairing, and sometimes using both mechanics in conjunction can be specifically beneficial. There are tons of options.
The only real disadvantage to Pairing Up, once you have proper supports, is lack of single units to attack multiple enemies (or lack of units to block the enemy's route). But in the end, your units are probably invincible weapons of utter destruction who can't be touched anyway when paired up, so it doesn't matter.
It'd feel less broken if enemy units could pair up as well. It would have been cool to see enemies, who are corned, pair up to try to survive, or fighting two bosses that pair up.
SolarKnight
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It depends on the pair really. The more people to attack with point only matters if the targets of your units are different, because if you're at a level in which your partner attacking and defending are mostly reliable, there's not much reason not to pair up if they're both going after the same enemy. When the partners support becomes reliable, they'll both reliably get experience, and in fact may get more than if you had attacked with just one unit. The more people to tank with thing becomes pointless with the boosts doubling gives since they'll be tanking and dodging even better, it'd only be better to be single if you need to protect multiple narrow corridors, but that's not something there's much of in this game anyways.
The bandit brothers would've been perfect for that.
Well time for grinding. Some characters i can just let out into the battlefield back to back and they just swat the enemies down like flies. Chrom, Lon'qui, Gaius, Lucina, MC to an extent. Everyone else drops likes flies. I dont know if it was a sharp diffulcity spike or if my OCD of raising everyone in my army at the same time is catching up to me.
Basileus777
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They'd have to write more scenes and dialogue. Though the lack of supports for many units seems deliberate, especially with some of the late joining units that can't support with many people outside of the avatar and thus are sort of gimped.
That's (if my math is right) 903 possible pairings with 3 conversations each. Probably an unrealistic amount of writing.
I know what you mean. My Avatar is so badass nothing can stop him. And for some reason enemies throw themselves upon his sword making him more badass. I just wish other characters weren't so weak. Though, Lucina, Chrom, and Morgan tear it up, too.
Random aside, why does female Morgan only seem to have a support option with Nah and Noire? Not counting sibling ones, anyway. I wanted to see Morgan's supports with Severa or Cynthia ;_;
Tharja best waifu.
Really just needed more split engagements or map/objective variety to make it more of a choice. But, like you say, it eventually becomes a case of Paired Up units just never dying. Ever.
I was surprised that Vincent and Victor didn't use it. I thought that was going to be the game's way of introducing enemies with it.
Tharja best waifu.
Really just needed more split engagements or map/objective variety to make it more of a choice. But, like you say, it eventually becomes a case of Paired Up units just never dying. Ever.
I was surprised that Vincent and Victor didn't use it. I thought that was going to be the game's way of introducing enemies with it.
GeekyDad
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Sure there is. Both units of the pair cannot act during the same phase. It becomes quite the trade-off when deciding whether or not to heal someone this turn or attack, or use an archer versus protecting him/her for a given turn by switching out to a unit with better def/res. You're still getting stat bonuses by keeping units near each other, so pairing isn't necessarily the "easy" strategy. It's just an easy pattern to fall into later in the game.
razgriz417
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So I've been meaning to ask this for a while, how exactly does the inheriting skills from a parent mechanic work? I just finished chapter 15 and am starting to get characters married (only Chrom so far). Does it pick at random? I read something about it choosing the 5th skill equipped on both parents, is that right? So if I wanted Galeforce from Cordelia, I'd have to unlock it first and equip it then get married? Its weird but with Chrom's kid
only got 1 skill from Chrom and not Sumia, was she suppose to one from the mother as well?
Lucina
Duane Cunningham
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Victor and Vincent reminded me of a certain couple of characters from Breaking Bad, and I know I can't be the only one.
SolarKnight
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I almost never use pairing. I generally have units next to each other for the bonus, because I like having the option for more moves per round.
I forgot a word. "Female support options." It's limited to Mother, sister (if applicable), Noire, and Nah ... for some reason. And, since Noire is her sister, I didn't even get the normal Morgan and Noire support ;_;
Female Morgan has awesome supports so far so I wanted to see how'd she react to the other girls
They inherit the last skill on each of their parents' list at the time you do the map for them. You can marry characters off whenever as it doesn't matter for the skills until you actually go to recruit them.
NeonZ
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Apparently writing a script costs more than what one would think... Don't forget the parent and sibling supports, which attempt to reuse the same flow of dialogue for every possible father with the same child, only tweaking some of their speech style and some minor lines... They obviously gave the most focus to possible S supports, and everything else was secondary, which left the characters without children of their own without many choices, especially in comparison to other characters of this game.
Children always receive the last skill from their parents. Chrom is the only exception. He will always pass down Aether to his daughters and Rightful King to his sons. Sumia should have passed down her last skill. Are you sure you didn't miss it?
I married Lucina and the dialog with Morgan was sad and felt like a copout. Also, I wish they would have at least fleshed out interactions with at least the main character's wife. I don't even feel like my character is married. Not even in
the scene when Lucina tries to kill the main character
That's what summer of bonds DLC is for!
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I agree, but there's so many potential story implications (both minor and potentially major) such as the MU with certain spotpass characters or base game characters who actually have some story weight (which admittedly isn't that many) that it would get out of hand with all the permutations if it carried through consistently due to the story's "fixed" perspective.
The re-used dialogue for fathers and kids is really unfortunate, though. Would be hoping for some difference there, but the same issue applies.
Well, they should have had a few "set" wives for the main character, and all other choices were generic. Much like with Chrom. But to be honest, I would have been fine with the main character calling his wife "honey" or "darling". And vice-versa.
razgriz417
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I forgot a word. "Female support options." It's limited to Mother, sister (if applicable), Noire, and Nah ... for some reason. And, since Noire is her sister, I didn't even get the normal Morgan and Noire support ;_;
Female Morgan has awesome supports so far so I wanted to see how'd she react to the other girls
They inherit the last skill on each of their parents' list at the time you do the map for them. You can marry characters off whenever as it doesn't matter for the skills until you actually go to recruit them.
thanks guys, and yea turns out she got Rally Movement from Sumia, woulda been a stretch to try to get Sumia to Dark Flier to get galeforce at chapter 11 lol
NeonZ
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That scene is rewritten if you have an S support with her (or with Chrom) though. Anyway, the only married interaction for most characters are the bonding quotes from when you move a pair to those event tiles. They're completely changed for S support pairs.
Parents and Children also have their own quotes there too - and curiously some bigger lines than usual, while the lovers just have new two line quotes - I got Chrom to ask Inigo about what he did to pass the time when there was some peace in the future, and Inigo's answer took three speech bubbles, rather than the usual one - the answer was clearly generic and seemed like it'd be reused for any of his possible fathers though. Same goes to Lucina asking Chrom about his life in the past, before her arrival, 3 speech bubbles for Chrom's answer.
What event tiles?
WrenchNinja
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The sparkly tiles on maps that give exp, items, or weapons. If you have paired up units they may have conversations that boost their relationship.
Warrior_Keoni
Member
The huge replayability of this game is ridiculous. I <3 it!
I think what's giving me the hardest time in Lunatic is trying to spread the XP gains amongst my weaker party members. On Ch. 15 now and I find that eventually I win the map by realizing I need to send my best unit to tank/kill half the map or more, even if the gains are terrible for them. :/
Oh. I don't pair up characters. Though, I also didn't know those sparkly spots did that. I just use them for weapon skill boosts.
chaosblade
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You must be playing on normal or grinding like hell, I don't think I could get through the game without pair up. It's not balanced for you to not use it.
WrenchNinja
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Hard. If you played other games in the genre, Normal will be way too easy.
I've only played Fire Emblem (GBA) and I spent tons of time prepping for battles and playing battles, refused to let anyone die, and in general spent way too much time/stress on the game.
I don't have much free time anymore (although I refuse to play without perma-death). Awakening, hard or normal?
I don't have much free time anymore (although I refuse to play without perma-death). Awakening, hard or normal?
Awakening hard/casual (casual is pretty much made for the stress/time issue due to in game saves), just reset the game if a character dies. Normal is just too easy.
Well I edited my post to include that I wanted permadeath, but that's an interesting point.
I didn't know you could play casual on any difficulty. Does the difficulty add more than the perma-death?
decoyplatypus
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Hard. Going by others' reports, normal mode seems to be about the same as it was in FE12, where it offered no challenge whatsoever and left a pretty bland taste in my mouth.
Hard mode allows enemy reinforcements to act immediately (requiring you to position your units more carefully at the end of turns), boosts enemy stats, and gives enemies better weapons. It also increases the price of certain items (well, reeking boxes, at least).
Cow Mengde
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It's easy, really easy with casual normal mode.
And gives the enemies some skills (counter can be a bitch), of course lunatic adds a ton more skills and lunatic + gives skills that break the game.
decoyplatypus
Member
Counter is just brutal. After my second near-death experience, I learned to check warriors before attacking them from adjacent tiles.
Well, here's what went down:
I had Frederick take out the Barbarian on the left side, moved Stahl to the bridge behind everyone else, moved Robin to the bridge as well and healed him with Maribelle. Chrom stayed put since there wasn't anything I could do that didn't result in death the following turn for him.
Mage gets a critical on Marribelle and she dies, Robin gets hit twice from Barbarians and dies. Gameover. The kicker here is that I needed only 1 of the Barbarians to miss and Robin would have lived, and both of them only had 50% chance of hitting.
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