I've been a huge fan of the series since FE7 came to North America and I think Awakening is the best game in the series. This by itself makes me feel like a weird alien among Fire Emblem faithful.
But I also love
the children system and time travel stories.
I feel like some bizarre outsider in every Fire Emblem discussion on the internet. Like, I get why people don't like these things, I'm just surprised at how different the enfranchised Fire Emblem community feels from me, or say the people who started with Awakening.
I don't know, Fire Emblem discussions have been a strange place for me these past 24 hours.
I'm also, an older player (who started with 4 right before 6 was released) I think Awakening is reallly really good, but I think its just needs a little bit more polish. I thought the Valm part of the game was shoehorned in and rushed, and they clearly needed to give bonuses for pair up a revamp.
I do think the
time travel
is where I really diverge with you. I just think its silly.
acting like veterans are the only ones that dislike the child mechanic returning is incredibly disingenuous
there are plenty of people who either started with Awakening or have it as their favorite game anyway that don't like it returning regardless, especially considering how you can still have the marriage system without attaching kids to it
acting like veterans are the only ones that dislike the child mechanic returning is incredibly disingenuous
there are plenty of people who either started with Awakening or have it as their favorite game anyway that don't like it returning regardless, especially considering how you can still have the marriage system without attaching kids to it
Of course veterans aren't the only people upset with the revelation, in my experience it has been mostly veterans though, at least they have been the most vocal.
The issue is that the children mechanic was one of the biggest points of unit customization in Awakening, and they really didn't announce anything to replace it at all. That kind of customization doesn't add much to a closed campaign like Nohr, but if Hoshido didn't have it, it'd be pretty much just a crippled Awakening in that sense.
Edit: Personally, I hope the main story doesn't acknowledge them at all, and they're basically left as extra content for paralogues and My Castle, with no Lucina equivalent suddenly getting introduced halfway through to represent them in the main plot. Awakening at least had zombies dropping from sky portals alongside "Marth" fairly early. It seems like any such twist here would feel even more out of place. Kanna's quote about fighting in the "outer/external world" (or even "other world") also implies that multiple worlds or Outrealms would be involved with the children's presence. That could completely derail the main story if they attempt to make the child plot part of it.
I wanted platonic endings between characters back, and the children mechanic most likely means romantic S ranks only. At least the children seem to be completely separate from the main story (hopefully), and not implemented half-assed into the story like Awakening.
Btw, didn't we agreed not to bring spoilers about if/Fates to the community thread?
I wanted platonic endings between characters back, and the children mechanic most likely means romantic S ranks only. At least the children seem to be completely separate from the main story (hopefully), and not implemented half-assed into the story like Awakening.
Btw, didn't we agreed not to bring spoilers about if/Fates to the community thread?
Excellent. I can usually follow dialogue pretty well, but I'm bad at understanding mechanics when explained in Japanese. I'll surely be asking questions haha.
the information about S supports and children is all part of the My Castle section of the magazine. It's also said that the "My Castle" is in a separate world from the Nohr/Hoshido conflict. So, it seems more and more likely that the children are irrelevant storywise this time.
It does make me wonder about Kanna's quote regarding the "Outer World" though. Are they somehow going to be born and go through accelerated aging in the My Castle? That'd be kind of creepy.
I guess it's also possible that they're picked up from random Outrealms though, which could lead to some varied scenarios for their paralogues.
But you do? The support list shows all possible supports as soon as they join your team. Even before that you have some silhouettes so you know if someone has a very limited support selection.
Every game since FE7 has had a menu where you can see a units possible supports(though unrecruited units are greyed out until you recruit them). (in games that had supports, anyway)
the information about S supports and children is all part of the My Castle section of the magazine. It's also said that the "My Castle" is in a separate world from the Nohr/Hoshido conflict. So, it seems more and more likely that the children are irrelevant storywise this time.
It does make me wonder about Kanna's quote regarding the "Outer World" though. Are they somehow going to be born and go through accelerated aging in the My Castle? That'd be kind of creepy.
I guess it's also possible that they're picked up from random Outrealms though, which could lead to some varied scenarios for their paralogues.
Interesting. Does the fact that "My Castle" is completely separate means you can get all the supports from the characters you can't recruit based off the path you are on?
Would make the whole split path thing just a little more bearable if I can get the ones I want from the other side and still have them act as a character
I guess the route of children unit implementation like what we had in FE4 is too difficult to employ son IS resort to time and dimensional travel bullcrap again.
Anyway, the total chapter is crazy, 50 chapters combiner without the shared chapter and third route.
As I said before, I cannot give up Camilla's Sawashiro Miyuki Wyvern Magic Knight getup.
dat body
Also from the treehouse gamplay stream I can conclude Leo is the best
brofu, trying to cover our dumb protagonist's ass[/SPOILER
I'm just kinda paranoid everyone except Elise are prepromotes, while I understand that not all prepromos are bad but hopefully that doesn''t mean we won't be using them as much instead it's just the game's way of compensating the lack of Free Battles for Nohr.
Of course veterans aren't the only people upset with the revelation, in my experience it has been mostly veterans though, at least they have been the most vocal.
Some will whine about anything but children as a mechanic is sort of bad. I don't think it really impacts the game a whole lot and it didn't, only Lucina is important and the other children are basically irrelevant. But its still extremely poorly implemented in Awakening.
The one implemented in FE4 is kinda alright if only because of how the game is structured. Awakening's implementation is terrible. Ignoring the poor story justification (like it literally doesn't go anywhere except for Lucina), the S rank dependency, stat inheritance, and huge differences in map difficulty mean that some children are just better than others assuming a conventional playthrough.
The inheritance mechanic doesn't work a whole lot due to the random nature of Fire Emblem and how Fire Emblem works in general. The thing with Fire Emblem is that the best units are often those with really good base stats + growths or those with really good base stats + average/bad growths. With how Awakening implemented children, they're optional growth units that are terrible if the parent isn't swole enough to pass down some really nice bases...meaning children like Morgan, Kjelle, and Yarne will generally be inherently better than a lot of other children.
If I were really, really cynical, I'd guess the whole purpose of the children is to sell grinding + "post-game" DLC as all of it is pretty much geared towards min-maxing skills and combinations. With FE:IF, I think its hard to argue that this is the case since it does sort of seem shoehorned in again and we have the split version elephant in the room which seems to be a wholly financial decision.
something i just thought of: maybe the wyvern knight Crimson on that showed up in that trailer of my castle is just somebody's kid, like Joker or Gunther? that would explain why a nohr-looking character shows up in the hoshido side.
the information about S supports and children is all part of the My Castle section of the magazine. It's also said that the "My Castle" is in a separate world from the Nohr/Hoshido conflict. So, it seems more and more likely that the children are irrelevant storywise this time.
It does make me wonder about Kanna's quote regarding the "Outer World" though. Are they somehow going to be born and go through accelerated aging in the My Castle? That'd be kind of creepy.
I guess it's also possible that they're picked up from random Outrealms though, which could lead to some varied scenarios for their paralogues.
I know that there's a support menu in the pre-battle screen like in Awakening, but wouldn't they take place in the My Castle? I don't think you'll see support conversations in the middle of battles.
Really dislike Cordelia's swimsuit (they're really really going down that rabbit hole), but yeah Arthur is the best, looks like he would fit so well in Code Name Steam.
