Rev Gunther is not Conquest Gunther. Conquest Gunther is viable and decent. Rev Gunther is trash.
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Fire Emblem Fates |OT| Nohr does what Hoshidon't
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Rev Gunther is not Conquest Gunther. Conquest Gunther is viable and decent. Rev Gunther is trash.
Yeah that's what I thought. He was way weaker than what I felt he was in Conquest.
Ryouji Gunblade
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The worst gameplay elements of Fates are Enfeeble spam, Hexing Rod BS, and the indefensible endgame (and Revelation midgame) saving issue.
theprodigy
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He's a pairup bot for even longer in Revelation, he's fine especially considering how so many units are complete ass when they join on that route.
I see this argument a lot but it seems a little reductive. There are plenty of situations where you're better off using offensive pairing to finish lethal enemies more quickly. I think Fates strikes a pretty good balance with the risk-reward mechanic of its pair-up options.
Mind, this is from my experience on Hard in all three campaigns. Maybe Lunatic is so brutal that you're always better off clutching to another unit for survival.
Second point is valid if you're playing with a very small squad but I've kept my squads ultimately sized to about 14-16 units (just to get a nice balance of unit types and a good slice of the variety the game offers) which doesn't leave much room for an inert stat booster. There are also plenty of good units you can pair together that can also hold their own by themselves if need be.
Bonen no Max'd
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The thing is that guard stance does boost offense, not only by boosting offensive stats (+4-6 str or gaining the ability to double is huuuge) but also lets you do way more aggressive enemy phase action because of how much less damage you'll take, meaning you can attack far more enemies.
Corrin killing everything on enemy phase with Gunter pair up is a lot easier than trying to use two units without dying.
Corrin killing everything on enemy phase with Gunter pair up is a lot easier than trying to use two units without dying.
I only pair up to have a tank absorb dual attacks. Having a pair just means I get one fewer attack on my turn so there's no real reason to do it with anyone else most of the time.
Even on the Conquest path it's not difficult to have 16 leveled units at the endgame.
chaosblade
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So 25 is going to be one of those chapters. Four consecutive misses with hit rates of 73+, one being 85. After the second miss I was probably screwed anyway since I didn't have enough units to kill all the enemies.
Then I get fucked by a 24 hit attack from an enemy.
I don't feel like dealing with this. I'm about to cheese the shit out of this chapter.
Then I get fucked by a 24 hit attack from an enemy.
I don't feel like dealing with this. I'm about to cheese the shit out of this chapter.
The Awesomest
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Welp that's enough Conquest for today. I don't feel like dealing with a bunch of status pots right now.
So dark knight MC plus husband kinshi knight shigure = fuck your mages your non armoured soldiers and your archers. We are a 9 move monster fearing little. I'm actually not sure if our kana is going to come out any good though. We can pass some good skills but I never checked if we were going to give him bad growth rates.
Speaking of monsters sakura went from healer hiding at the back to the first to hit 20 a few chapters ago and as an onmyoji she is incredibly dangerous.
Ryoma refuses to stop criting or triggering Astra when I just want him to soften up enemies though. I might have to bench him for a bit once I finish s ranking him with rinka. This is supposed to be hard mode man, not the ryoma doesnt need allies show.
Speaking of monsters sakura went from healer hiding at the back to the first to hit 20 a few chapters ago and as an onmyoji she is incredibly dangerous.
Ryoma refuses to stop criting or triggering Astra when I just want him to soften up enemies though. I might have to bench him for a bit once I finish s ranking him with rinka. This is supposed to be hard mode man, not the ryoma doesnt need allies show.
foxuzamaki
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They can only go up from here
Silas should certainly have been a gay option. That man is obsessed with you no matter the gender.
ShadowSoldier89
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pair up sucks. just use attack stance, or galeforce
NoA couldnt even be bothered to translate the lesbian rhajat convos
Phew, barely made it through ninja hell (Chapter 17)
It really was such nonsense. I had all of my crew primed to take out the boss, but nobody could hit him. I thought Xander was safe, but he busts out the Flame Shuriken and brings him down to 1HP (that's twice he's been brought down to 1HP from a boss, lol). Anyway, Xander, Corrin and Felicia all miss, but thankfully Camilla was able to clutch out.
It really was such nonsense. I had all of my crew primed to take out the boss, but nobody could hit him. I thought Xander was safe, but he busts out the Flame Shuriken and brings him down to 1HP (that's twice he's been brought down to 1HP from a boss, lol). Anyway, Xander, Corrin and Felicia all miss, but thankfully Camilla was able to clutch out.
Eh, with Ike, the characters that returned to the Greil Mercenaries was done moreso due to him finally proving his worth (Shinon in particular needing to be
beaten by Ike after Rolf talked to him
aforementioned crystal or unjustifiable actions like Garon's "salt the earth" endorsement of a war crime i.e. killing unarmed civilians
On a slightly unrelated note, i've found that Revelation is a complete cakewalk compared to Conquest and Birthright, even with a lack of grinding. It could pick up in the final few chapters but the overall campaign might be the easiest game in the series thus far...and probably the weakest of the three Fates has to offer.
That's actually terrifying me
DeployThatPizza
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Gunter is just there as a pair-up bot. Outside of that, he has no use. He can't support with anyone but Corrin and he's really bad in Revelations.
The Awesomest
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FE tradition intact!
There are only three peeps in the FE series with heterochromia tho (Idenn and Ranulf, and Peri)
Unless this is a joke about red/green cavs
The Awesomest
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Randomly Nameless
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Whoa holy crap I had no idea. I thought that was a joke but nope, Peri actually has heterochromia.
Speaking of the Red and Green cavs, I recently found out while studying up on min-maxing pairings that Ninja is coded in as the Hoshido equivalent of Cavalier, so Kaze and Saizo are actually straight up the Christmas Cavs. If you marry Kaze or Saizo with Ninja as your Talent, they'll actually get Cavalier because the lack of classes will switch them to the Nohr equivalent. Pretty cool. The same thing happens if kids have the same two classes as their mother. An easy example is Percy. With Beruka as a mom he'll actually inherit the Sky Knight class because he already has Fighter and Wyvern Rider. I had no idea that this type of thing was in the game until after playing through both Birthright and Conquest.
Speaking of the Red and Green cavs, I recently found out while studying up on min-maxing pairings that Ninja is coded in as the Hoshido equivalent of Cavalier, so Kaze and Saizo are actually straight up the Christmas Cavs. If you marry Kaze or Saizo with Ninja as your Talent, they'll actually get Cavalier because the lack of classes will switch them to the Nohr equivalent. Pretty cool. The same thing happens if kids have the same two classes as their mother. An easy example is Percy. With Beruka as a mom he'll actually inherit the Sky Knight class because he already has Fighter and Wyvern Rider. I had no idea that this type of thing was in the game until after playing through both Birthright and Conquest.
The Awesomest
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That seems like a strange character for it. I get Idoun, because she's supposed to be all mysterious, and I sorta get Peri, because Christmas Cavs, but why did they give Ranulf heterochromia?
dakkumauji
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cause he's awesome
Isn't heterochromia more common in certain kinds of cats?
The Awesomest
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chaosblade
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This game's RNG is the most frustrating thing. I can't hit for shit with 70s but twice in a row now I've lost because enemies get consecutive hits with 30s.
I'm pretty much at a loss on what to do with the right side of chapter 25. I've got the left side worked out, barring RNG stupidity. Right side stalls out once I start dealing with Ninjas dealing 40% max HP damage via skills. Almost feels like the only option is entrap + freeze + keep trying until the RNG has mercy on me.
I'm pretty much at a loss on what to do with the right side of chapter 25. I've got the left side worked out, barring RNG stupidity. Right side stalls out once I start dealing with Ninjas dealing 40% max HP damage via skills. Almost feels like the only option is entrap + freeze + keep trying until the RNG has mercy on me.
Conquest, right? The sticking point on the right side is the hallway. Have a 2 range break the wall into the right room. Use sing on them, run them off, and have Xander shelter Azura. The 2-3 guys in there will filter out into the hallway to attack Xander. He should live and you can clean them up before moving into their room and using it as a staging area to rush into the left room.
It's probably the most complicated part of that map. Unless you're stupid like me and get Leo lunged into like 3 swordmasters.
chaosblade
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Using Xander on the other side of the map since he's the only one that can lure the Ninja's + Swordmasters. Everyone else either has too low defense and dies, or they are Effie and have too much defense so they don't get lured.
I guess after the first couple turns I could swap some people around.
I guess after the first couple turns I could swap some people around.
chaosblade
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Beat it with staffs. One entrap and four freeze uses on the left side and two entraps and a few freezes on the right. Definitely cheesing it, but it worked.
I did a convoluted thing that involved freezing the master of arms at the end of the hallway and positioning Velouria just 1 tile outside of his reach and using rallied defense Xander/Charlotte to attack and tank the ninjas. From the second turn onwards I positioned Leo just within range of the Spy-Shuriken ninjas so he could eat some damage for the other 2 tanks to survive, paired up Velouria with Camilla and occasionally healed/backed up/singed with Niles and Azura. Somehow it all worked out in the end and there was some logic to it but the whole process was so needlessly convoluted that I can't remember the finer details. All because my cheap ass didn't want to waste those expensive, expensive entraps.
Also, speaking of Xander/Charlotte, their S support has got to be the most awkward marriage proposal out of all the units I married in Conquest. It just went from Xander scolding her to stop seducing the entire army and "(Charlotte)I just wanted to marry a rich dude" to "(Xander)I wanna put a ring on you". I guess Xander really has a thing for gold diggers and/or likes them kinky.
Niles' and Felicia's support convos on the other hand were specially funny/awkward considering both of them were already married when I started getting their conversations. Grass is always greener eh Niles.
Also, speaking of Xander/Charlotte, their S support has got to be the most awkward marriage proposal out of all the units I married in Conquest. It just went from Xander scolding her to stop seducing the entire army and "(Charlotte)I just wanted to marry a rich dude" to "(Xander)I wanna put a ring on you". I guess Xander really has a thing for gold diggers and/or likes them kinky.
Niles' and Felicia's support convos on the other hand were specially funny/awkward considering both of them were already married when I started getting their conversations. Grass is always greener eh Niles.
DeployThatPizza
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I found a few S supports that seemed natural and flowed. I can't remember what they were but I think they were Arthur x Kagero, Oboro x Takumi, and Keaton x Camilla.
Charlotte still hits on other men even when she's married. Poor Xander. :[
I always found it weird that even in Awakening if you married Cordelia, she would still be obsessed with Chrom or how Tharja would still be obsessed with Robin even if you marry her off.
This is why they need to bring back the support conversations limits back. And make it so that you can't marry every single female/male in your party like in the older games. :I
I always found it weird that even in Awakening if you married Cordelia, she would still be obsessed with Chrom or how Tharja would still be obsessed with Robin even if you marry her off.
This is why they need to bring back the support conversations limits back. And make it so that you can't marry every single female/male in your party like in the older games. :I
ShadowSoldier89
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well, thanks to fates DLC we at least know that
chrom x cordelia isnt canon anyway EDIT: oh yea...I forgot it was never possible for chrom to marry cordelia anyway.
Xenoflare
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This x10000%
I wouldn't call that cheesing. Staffs are amazingly useful in Conquest. You're supposed to use them otherwise they wouldn't give them to you.
chaosblade
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That's almost all the entrap and freeze staffs you get for the entire game though, lol.
Randomly Nameless
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Alright so I definitely thought that Lifetaker had gotten nerfed in the same way as Galeforce but it turns out that no, it still works great. I had been at a loss in terms of the final skill for Leo but now I no longer have that problem. Rhajat also likes it, thought she has the reverse problem where she has too many good skills and not enough slots.
Whelp mine and shigures kana has a whopping 15 magic at 20/2. On the other hand his res and def are great and he tanks just fine with the dragonstone. I could give him a sword since he has high strength but I do love my dragon baby.
Also we are an all blue haired family including gramma Azura and I wish there was a way to take a family photo of all our in game models.
Also we are an all blue haired family including gramma Azura and I wish there was a way to take a family photo of all our in game models.
It depends. I beat Hoshido on Lunatic using paired units, but Conquest Lunatic has forced me to use every single attacker I can find. I dropped Elise for Mozu. Still haven't lost anyone yet, and I'm only on chapter 9.
Hours Left
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I hope so. There was so much missed potential with this set of characters particularly. Like I said before, you can't tell me that after that DLC convo between Ryoma and Saizo that they don't feel something other than loyalty and friendship.
Definitely. Niles is cool, but some variety next time would be greatly appreciated, and not just for relationships for the MC, but between other characters too. I'm not saying everyone should be able to pair with every other character, but more options are definitely needed.
Freeze staves are pretty cheap. I actually feel dumb for not using them more.