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Fire Emblem Fates |OT| Nohr does what Hoshidon't
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Weapons are no longer breakable. Thus, they added new mechanics to counterbalance that change. Frankly, I welcome that change: less micro-management when it comes to weapons. Besides, previous Fire Emblem already had mechanics which would diminish your Speed stat depending on your unit's Build compared to the weapon's weight (GBA FE games) or their Strenght stat compared to the weapon's weight (Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn). At least no unit is crippled by not having high enough Build or Strenght to wield weapons effeciently now (looking at you Isadora and Nino; also Sanaki until her Strenght stat catches up).
The new weapon triangle isn't confusing. You just need to memorize it. Write it on a post-it if that helps: you will know it perfectly after a couple battles (it really isn't that difficult to memorize). Sword/Tome > Axe/Bow > Spear/Shurikens. It is not that complicated.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
The only dark magic in fates is nosferatu and in birthright the only way to get that tome is via the my castle battle point rewards. Its 1350 points however so you will be doing a lot of castle battle grinding to get it. That said a dark mage into sorc or dark knight is perfectly viable in birthright since you can use all the hoshidan scrolls which are quite good.
Dangansona
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Ugh, on chapter 15 of Birthright. No one is able to hit these fuckers. Maybe I should just camp out near the bottom until reinforcements are finished?
Yeah the song sucks. It's funny because the composer and the dev team must think they have this amazing impactful piece by how heavily it's used.
Yeah the song sucks. It's funny because the composer and the dev team must think they have this amazing impactful piece by how heavily it's used.
Pureauthor
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Nohr may be the 'bad' faction, but the Hoshido side-exclusives mostly have the personality of diluted oatmeal. So in regards to connections to the characters... I'm gonna say you actually went with the better side.
Hmm, I got a feedback that someone had fought in my castle, but I didn't set up a defensive team. Actually, I haven't been able to find out where to set up a defensive team. Or change my tagline on that card.
I like My Castle, but I'm not a fan of having the options spread out in several menus in several places. Yes, Felicia is cute, but find out what's a Felicia thing and what's a crystal ball thing is hard. Where do I change those things?
I like My Castle, but I'm not a fan of having the options spread out in several menus in several places. Yes, Felicia is cute, but find out what's a Felicia thing and what's a crystal ball thing is hard. Where do I change those things?
Xenoflare
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Check the crystal orb and click streetpass teams, the castle setting is in there.
Pureauthor
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Some characters are actually pretty good and well developed.
Birthright's story is pretty much a standard 'Good country fights back and defeats evil warmongering country' Fire Emblem plot. Nothing special is done in that regard except the Main Character has family s/he cares about in the warmongering country.
Both Conquest and Revelation's plots go off the deep end in stupid.
Are they at least stupid in an entertaining way? Like, it's fun to follow just to see how dumb things can get in a "so bad it's good" sorta way.
DeployThatPizza
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The characters are pretty good, and there's nice gameplay.
MissDeviling
Member
Playing FE for the plot is like playing Street Fighter for the story, lol. Just enjoy the sweet gameplay. Characters are pretty similar to SF in the sense that they don't really get development (outside of the royals), so you only get to understand them from their voice clips. You get support convos but 80 percent of them are garbage.
I am enjoying the infinite weapons, it's pretty nice to actually not care if my Felicia does a double 0 damage attack on the boss, because that wasn't the point of making her attack. I'm not wasting "ammo", but I am debuffing the boss. Classes that focus on debuffs is a great addition to the game, by the way. And I bet I'm going to regret saying that as soon as I run into an army of enemy ninja.
The Hoshido side supports amuse me a little, if only because of how it's supposed to be the good side, but so far my Avatar has been feeling... less than welcome. I mean, Rinkah was always going to be mean, but I didn't expect Hana to be. So, it's apparently the "Let's hate the new guy!" day. I bet Takuma invented that.
Also, just a quick confirm/deny here: Mozu. Villager. My Fire Emblem sense tells me she's going to become an unstoppable god of carnage and destruction. Is she?
The Hoshido side supports amuse me a little, if only because of how it's supposed to be the good side, but so far my Avatar has been feeling... less than welcome. I mean, Rinkah was always going to be mean, but I didn't expect Hana to be. So, it's apparently the "Let's hate the new guy!" day. I bet Takuma invented that.
Also, just a quick confirm/deny here: Mozu. Villager. My Fire Emblem sense tells me she's going to become an unstoppable god of carnage and destruction. Is she?
Careful: Corrin's attack
in dragon form
Pretty much everyone says that you should pick Luck as your bane.
Pureauthor
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Conquest has some of that 'entertain in the raw stupidity' sense.
Revelation's plot is just a big pile of blah.
Not good because the Levin Sword/Bolt Axe is one of Corrin's best weapons and that runs off their Magic stat.
Most of the time, -Luk is the best bane. You should be wary of using -Magic because that lowers your Speed and Res growths on top of killing your Magic as well). You should only ever run -Magic on pure Swordmaster builds in Birthright since the Levin Sword isn't usable there.
Maybe, but Awakening was entertaining enough to keep me interested.
Think I'm gonna get Birthright sometime soon. Been a while since I've played a proper good SRPG.
theprodigy
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What, tired of hearing about the ocean's gray waves?
-magic is fine if you're not planning on using magic at all (including the dragonstone), otherwise do -luck.
tiebreaker
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Got my SE Finishing Virtue's Last Reward and then start with Birthright.
Finishing Virtue's Last Reward and then start with Birthright.Little Monser
Banned
eShop download taking forever
Pureauthor
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No. However, dialogue in Fates implies that several potential pairings in Awakening did not happen. (For example, Inigo is almost certainly not Chrom's son.)
kuroneko0509
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azura/aqua song is overrated :^)
Ok thanks for the help guys, gonna start again with -luck instead of -magic and keep +strenght. What are the best stats for a Cavalier Corrin in Birthright?
Chapter 5 is
Chapter 5 is
not easy if Azura gets killed, but with her i can get two strikes from Corrin and annihilate the enemies with wyrmslayer. Aside from that, i'm starting to root for Hoshido (especially after Nohr killed Mikoto), but i still think i'll go with Conquest first as i keep reading it's the better game. Garon is absolutely evil though lol.
It's beautiful!
Sure, but it's one thing when it's dull enough to not cause any damage. Actively disliking the characters and motivations really demotivates my will to play (especially when the gameplay still isn't as sweet as in the GBA era).
Daria Morgendorffer
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Man, I think I really suck, started with Conquest on Hard but chapter 9 is already kicking my ass
GwyndolinCinder
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How come? This chapter doesnt do anything interesting as far as i can remember , should be very straight forward.
Yep, I don't have an issue with serviceable stories, but this game dipped the story to the point it affected my motivation to play. It's a very rare occurrence for me... :c
Thankfully the gameplay is so amazing in Conquest that I never felt like that. The rush you get from completing one of those chapter after failing for a bit is all I needed for motivation.
Except for everything in Chapter 19. I actually wanted to drop the game for good during that. Screw that chapter.
You have to use the pots to your advantage. If I recall correctly, one of the first pots around Corrin gives +4 DEF so make sure you surround it with some of your units before breaking it so they all get the bonus.
Use Effie to try and tank Saizo's attacks and then use a bow user like Niles to finish him off. Kaze is also useful to debuff him a bit.
Once I make it into the hall, I just break every pot using a Dragon Vein so every enemy gets debuffed or poisoned. Also be aware that only Corrin is the only unit allowed to escape in this chapter.
You should be able to beat every chapter without using the DLC unless you're trying to level up everyone which is just going to hurt you in the long run.
Chapter 26 Hoshido (beginning):
Well, Elise best character confirmed.
She actually knows Rohan (unlike every Hoshido sibling), making their relationship seems real (, she is smart for her age, she is pro-active (well, as much as someone so young can be), and seems to be one of the few Nohr character smart enough to want to stop the bloodshed.
So, of course, she had to be sacrificed. Mrgrgr. At least, for once, the story is effective.
She actually knows Rohan (unlike every Hoshido sibling), making their relationship seems real (, she is smart for her age, she is pro-active (well, as much as someone so young can be), and seems to be one of the few Nohr character smart enough to want to stop the bloodshed.
So, of course, she had to be sacrificed. Mrgrgr. At least, for once, the story is effective.
Poltergust
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Yep, wish I knew that, got Mozu to the escape point and nothing happened. Next turn boss one shotted her ; ;
dreamlongdead
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Conquest is difficult on a first playthrough, but this game is designed to be beatable without grinding. Grinding won't solve your issues anyway because the map layout and enemy skills force you to use certain strategies.
Ryoma's stats look scary, but you can actually defeat him on this map! He gives good EXP and a Secret Book, so I recommend doing it (after you get the chests). It is a doable task even on Lunatic, but I only felt confident about it on later playthroughs.
Was playing Birthright Chapter 9, pretty easy stuff (I'm playing on Hard/Classic). Near the end I had a big crew of units I just wanted to push forwards closer to the boss, so I chose auto-battle for one turn, expecting the game to just move all of them closer without engaging. Little did I know it would send the only character close to enemies right into a huge cluster of them all alone, getting him killed in the process (= reset).
Should've known "Guard" wasn't a purely defensive mode, but man...that sucked. Won't try to be lazy again, that's for sure.
Should've known "Guard" wasn't a purely defensive mode, but man...that sucked. Won't try to be lazy again, that's for sure.
GwyndolinCinder
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Just got to chapter 16 of conquest, does the game manage to keep up this amount of variety in the chapters?
DeployThatPizza
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Download it from the Dragon's Gate.
Thanks. Google tells me it's place on the world map after chapter 6.
So, how does support building work in this game, exactly? It looks similar to Awakening, but I'm not entirely sure. I mean it has the hearts pop up and all. In Awakening, it was something like three hearts meant you gained one point. Less then three was wasted at the end of a map.
How's the fastest way to build it? A defensive pair up or tag teaming side by side?
How's the fastest way to build it? A defensive pair up or tag teaming side by side?
Daria Morgendorffer
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I'm so glad the hubba hubba tester is back, and so early this time, I love how he said my character is basically ready to fuck, wouldnt expect that in a nintendo game haha
my loins, they are afire
my loins, they are afire
Pureauthor
Member
Yes, although there are some stinkers. (Chapter 19, looking at you.)
NeonZ
Member
I don't like how this time the guest/captured characters aren't options there. I mostly used it for them in Awakening since they had no actual interactions so it becomes pretty pointless when it's only usable for characters that can actually talk.
Edit: Also, only noticed now that the dragon tiara accessory in Fates is actually the one from Shadow Dragon Tiki, rather than Awakening. But I guess it makes sense considering how it comes from Marth.
This is my first Fire Emblem, I'm on the Birthright path (ninjas!) and at chapter 8. Am I still in the tutorial part of the game? I ask because there are so many system I don't fully understand. I'll start with a simple one, should I be actively purchasing and optimsing weapons for each character? Basically I play a chapter, go to all challenges/paralogues, check all the exclamation points at my castle, chat between characters that can and then repeat. Is this the gameplay loop or am I missing something? Loving the battles so far (and really enjoy using the 3DSXL.)
TranceKuja
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Sooo I'm not sure what the difference is between pairing up and just having characters standing next to one another? Why should I choose one strategy over the other?
Also, are there characters in Birthright that I should refrain from using because they are already in promoted form and shouldn't hog exp, like Marcus in FE GBA?
Also, are there characters in Birthright that I should refrain from using because they are already in promoted form and shouldn't hog exp, like Marcus in FE GBA?