toastyToast
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Guess it's safe to 5 star Sharena now
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Unless you have a very good 5* Cherche, I would go with Alm for green coverage.
It's always a good idea to 5* Sharena.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPlM6YPk8IY&t=0s
This guy cleared 9-1 Lunatic with a single 3* Michalis, crazy stuff..
This guy cleared 9-1 Lunatic with a single 3* Michalis, crazy stuff..
Yeah, I'm getting him to level 40, he's currently at 39. Going to give him Fury 3 as well.
Just got 4838 points again in arena. Hahaha
I don't think it's going to be enough since I was rank 961 at the end of last season.
I already have 6 Defense wins when it's​ only been 5 hours.
Tier 12 Third Wyvern General, and the title overlaps Tier 12 that you can't see which tier number you are.
I don't think it's going to be enough since I was rank 961 at the end of last season.
I already have 6 Defense wins when it's​ only been 5 hours.
Tier 12 Third Wyvern General, and the title overlaps Tier 12 that you can't see which tier number you are.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Who is your team? Most I can get per round is 680-686
I guess it's going to start throwing me up against merged teams again, based on my practice runs yesterday. I wonder how much weight inheritance holds in the matchmaking. Replacing a 4* Selena with no inheritance, with a heavily modified 5* Sharena had a pretty big effect on the teams I was facing. Maybe I was just unlucky.
Green magic users are so stressful to deal with that I really need a hard counter for them. I'm currently hoarding orbs hoping for Ryoma in Xander's banner, alternatively I can save up some feathers for Xander himself. If I had extra Henrys I'd be seriously considering giving G Tomebreaker to Hector, as it is I might even just use the one I have. He gets almost no mileage out of Vantage in arena, but it makes farming SP incredibly easy so it wasn't a waste.
My very first 5* was a -atk +res Lyn who would actually work pretty well as an anti-caster. But she sucks at everything else. It'd actually be nice if I found a better Lyn that I could merge her into, as she has a TON of SP. Lucina is strong and all but she simply doesn't get a lot of work done due to tome users and dancers everywhere.
I mean I do it too, my defense team has olivia/nino/linde and has already secured my defenses for the week. But dealing with a +0 Nino is easy, now that I have Sharena on my team the matchmaking is going to put me against +7s again based on what I saw last night. It just doesn't feel fair at all, my team can deal with enemies that play by the rules but when you've got normally flimsy casters that can eat a 60 atk axe to the face and barely survive it just gets annoying.
Green magic users are so stressful to deal with that I really need a hard counter for them. I'm currently hoarding orbs hoping for Ryoma in Xander's banner, alternatively I can save up some feathers for Xander himself. If I had extra Henrys I'd be seriously considering giving G Tomebreaker to Hector, as it is I might even just use the one I have. He gets almost no mileage out of Vantage in arena, but it makes farming SP incredibly easy so it wasn't a waste.
My very first 5* was a -atk +res Lyn who would actually work pretty well as an anti-caster. But she sucks at everything else. It'd actually be nice if I found a better Lyn that I could merge her into, as she has a TON of SP. Lucina is strong and all but she simply doesn't get a lot of work done due to tome users and dancers everywhere.
I mean I do it too, my defense team has olivia/nino/linde and has already secured my defenses for the week. But dealing with a +0 Nino is easy, now that I have Sharena on my team the matchmaking is going to put me against +7s again based on what I saw last night. It just doesn't feel fair at all, my team can deal with enemies that play by the rules but when you've got normally flimsy casters that can eat a 60 atk axe to the face and barely survive it just gets annoying.
Man-is-Obsolete
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The rise of Julia and Nino is super frustrating to deal with. Makes me wish I had a Tharja. My one counter is that my Eirika has high speed and very high res. She can bait a hit and then get in close for the kill.
Julia and Nino are why I benched Lucina. When she's burning herself out with Fury, making her tank a hit from a strong green caster gets super dicey. Green casters are yet another thing that teams need to have a prepared counter for now.
I guess I'll go with my crappy 4* +spd Cherche as my throwaway bonus character this round. I don't have anyone useful that fits that banner, so Cherche will at least serve as flying bait and HP battery.
I guess I'll go with my crappy 4* +spd Cherche as my throwaway bonus character this round. I don't have anyone useful that fits that banner, so Cherche will at least serve as flying bait and HP battery.
I actually haven't fought her in a few days, but I've fought a crap load of Ninos. I assume that's because it's a lot easier to get a Nino than a Julia.
I don't know about no point in running Julia if Nino exists. Julia has more HP, attack, and res and doesn't need to rely on teammates to reach full potential (which is especially important for defensive wins). Agreed that her tome's bonus is only useful in certain circumstances, but dragons are pretty common.
I think they are common enough that you should have a green tomebreaker on your team.
That's usually how I deal with them too. My Eirika can bait them in, is fast enough to not get doubled by them, and can usually take the hit and revenge kill. I have very little trouble with them.
Vantage Takumis on the other hand give me no end of grief. Though I'm starting to appreciate Savage Blow for helping me put Takumi into KO range without getting into Vantage range.
The specific characters doesn't really matter when it's the BST and merged levels that would be affecting scores. (I still don't know what other parameters affects scores from the changes they made.)
So I'll just mention each team members Base Stat Total and level. (This is not counting weapon stats or skills which is exactly what the new matchmaking rules do.)
One: 158 BST, Level 40.
Two: 151 BST, Level 40+2.
Three: 165 BST, Level 40+4.
Four: 166 BST, Level 40+4.
Oh, they're all 5*. I have no idea if rarity affects the score.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I suppose the better question would have been how many merged 5* you had. That's what is bumping your score up.
You're running into Nino's on defense? Julia I understand, but Nino on defense seems odd. She benefits from buffs and Fury, both of which are unreliable on defense when you control the units directly.
Also decided to bring my Sharena up to 5*. Gonna be doing the same for Anna and Alfonse in the future so I always have a dedicated Arena user.
Merged Ninos have replaced Takumi as the omnipresent problem unit for me. The AI is definitely capable of using buffs, it's just weird and unpredictable. But a +7 Nino is bad news with or without buffs. I mean I can kill it no problem, but sending Lucina on a suicide run isn't good for my score.
Yeah, I run into both Nino and Julia every now and then. Nino tends to be escorted by an Eirika and maybe an Azura/Ninian, so the game becomes about trying to separate the group so that I don't face a buffed Nino head-on. My team is blue-heavy with only one red, so it can get tricky.
It's not so bad since as you said, the AI doesn't handle Nino that well. But if it happens to play the team well and if you're on a cramped map, it can be trouble.
Nino + Rally user (usually Eirika) is just plain vicious because they tend to stick together.
Doing some napkin math, I actually change my mind and agree with you. That high resistance lets her hard counter those Death Blow 3 Reinhardts you're seeing a lot of in the arena these days after the scoring changes.
I don't think Nino can survive a round with Reinhardt during the enemy phase if he's attack buffed in any capacity.
What's your defense team again?
Hmm, might move my Eirika and Nino to defense and see what happens. Was running Vantage Takumi, WoM Azura, Fury/Renewal 3 Lucina, and Triangle MRobin.
I would love this, but it'll probably be hell on their servers.
Went with a B team to start the week on the Arena to get a perfect run on the books.
Nino/Cecilia/Robin(m)/Olivia pulled out 4724.
Gonna try Linde/Cecilia/Nowi/Eirika to max out my score. Not sure that is going to make it through OK though. Takumi will give me issues. Might have to back off of Linde (she's great but is too delicate) and go with Robin to make it through, but then I'd have trouble with Blue types, Robin can't bomb (do have Blue tomebreaker on him) them and Cecilia is too weak. Not sure what to do to increase the score. Could just sub Olivia for Roy/Eirika on the original team and maybe try Nowi over Robin(m).
Given my 5* list what would be my best team for defense? Robin(m), Hinoka+2, Linde, Nowi, Jaffar, Kagero, Nino, Olivia, Roy, Eirika.
Nino/Cecilia/Robin(m)/Olivia pulled out 4724.
Gonna try Linde/Cecilia/Nowi/Eirika to max out my score. Not sure that is going to make it through OK though. Takumi will give me issues. Might have to back off of Linde (she's great but is too delicate) and go with Robin to make it through, but then I'd have trouble with Blue types, Robin can't bomb (do have Blue tomebreaker on him) them and Cecilia is too weak. Not sure what to do to increase the score. Could just sub Olivia for Roy/Eirika on the original team and maybe try Nowi over Robin(m).
Given my 5* list what would be my best team for defense? Robin(m), Hinoka+2, Linde, Nowi, Jaffar, Kagero, Nino, Olivia, Roy, Eirika.
Nino, Linde, Olivia gets me defenses every week regardless of who else I run. Kagero, Nowi, or Eirika would all work, but maybe try putting a weak-looking 4* out front as your lead character. You don't need a high stat total to get the max defense payout.
Thanks, I've noticed in the past when I throw 4* Subaki on my defense regardless of who is leading, I get more defenses. Think Subaki/Nino/Linde/Olivia would work or should I go even weaker on the front, like Sophia or Cecilia?
CuthbertAllgoodz
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Arena at my level is too luck dependant if you don't have a lot of Crests. Battles are between 678 an 686 points. I had 6 out if 7 at 678. I tried again, 5 at 678. Oh well, don't think I want to bother much with this for the week. 1k feathers does not worth the headache of trying for top 5k to 10k.
pelicansurf
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How do you set a defense team?
Also, I got Reinhardt to 40 and thankfully he atkd up 4 times, aka he's not -atk, but neutral, which is OK. He is super strong in the intermediate level of Arena. Him and Ninian just carry, with Karel as the anti-green mage (obliterates them, not sure if he can tank a hit though), and Hector as just random super tank.
Working on deciding on who to promote first, since I don't have that many feathers (30k), it's between Kagero and Nowi, who have somewhat favorable IVs. I just got +atk,-hp nino, but apparently SPD is what he needs to be +d in.
Kinda cool to get into the nitty gritty.
Also, I got Reinhardt to 40 and thankfully he atkd up 4 times, aka he's not -atk, but neutral, which is OK. He is super strong in the intermediate level of Arena. Him and Ninian just carry, with Karel as the anti-green mage (obliterates them, not sure if he can tank a hit though), and Hector as just random super tank.
Working on deciding on who to promote first, since I don't have that many feathers (30k), it's between Kagero and Nowi, who have somewhat favorable IVs. I just got +atk,-hp nino, but apparently SPD is what he needs to be +d in.
Kinda cool to get into the nitty gritty.
The Defense team is the first team. When you set the teams, notice the dots showing what team you're viewing. The leftmost dot is the Defense team.
The arena maps today seem to consist of only the straightforward ones, don't they? Desert, sewer, rubble field, etc. Played 3 matches each on my two accounts and all of them have been cakewalks, guess I'm really lucky today. On my alt account, upgrading Sharena to 5* and filling in her empty skill slots with budget skills are enough to bring me up to a steady 69x range and I'm pretty happy about it.
My main is still dragging along a 4* Sharena due to feather shortage and compare it to my alt, it seems promoting a unit from 4* to 5* increases my average score per match by around 10 points, which is no small feat, because it might very well be the difference between rank 6k and 4k.
Also, ran into this today; I wish every match I have is this easy. They are all heavily armor-buffed and equipped with Pivots and Swaps but with the fatal flaw of "easy to get baited into weapon disadvantage", buffs and skills really can't help much.
My main is still dragging along a 4* Sharena due to feather shortage and compare it to my alt, it seems promoting a unit from 4* to 5* increases my average score per match by around 10 points, which is no small feat, because it might very well be the difference between rank 6k and 4k.
Also, ran into this today; I wish every match I have is this easy. They are all heavily armor-buffed and equipped with Pivots and Swaps but with the fatal flaw of "easy to get baited into weapon disadvantage", buffs and skills really can't help much.
I love Jaffar, more than Kagero, especially if you already run other glass cannons. He's a very durable neutral that can inflict a lot of pain on non-ideal match ups. I put Poison Damage on him and even if he does 0 damage he gets the 17 bonus damage and debuffs enemies. I really enjoyed when he was the bonus character in the Arena, but his low base stats don't really make him viable as a daily team member. Very fun to play with though. Straight up baits and kills Julia which was nice in the previous arena meta as green mages were always tough for me.
Have you run across any Triangle Adept MRobins? Are they common in Arena. Only seen a few.
Asking because he's Kagero's hard counter it seems.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Triangle adept Robin actually just cancels out everything I think. It improves his viability attacking her but I think her advantage on infantry is improved as well.
Kagero's common hard counter is Hector, she does very little to him and gets blown up by range counter. MRobin though, I don't think he is as big of a threat in Arena, especially with TA, he is very easy to bait with a green and hits kinda soft. Actually, I've had Kagero win the matchup against him several times, granted My Kagero is +atk and has Vantage.
TA only affects color advantages, infantry killing is not enhanced by it. With TA3 on Robin, Kagero's attack goes through a 50% buff and a 40% debuff, 1.5*0.6=0.9, so it does give him some protection
TA does not improve her infantry advantage. It's a separate effect that has nothing to do with color.
TA affects the match-up like this:
W/O TA: Kagero (atk*.8*1.5) vs Robin (atk*1.2)
W/ TA: Kagero (atk*.6*1.5) vs Robin (atk*1.4)
So TA on Robin means Kagero deals less damage to Robin and takes more from him.
However, as others have said TA Robin is easily countered by greens and Kagero can even still beat him with proper set-up. He's also not common anymore, i didn't see a single one last week.
I strongly disagree. On this very page we have multiple players looking for answers to Julia, Nino and Kagero, while at the same time realizing that red mages fare well in the current metagame
Sophia is one of the best budget options for a Raudrraven and Triangle Adept build. Even with just the non-+ tome, Quick Riposte 2 (or Swordbreaker or G Tomebreaker), Triangle Adept 2, Moonbow and at 4* rarity she checks quite a few common threats. She has well suited mixed (especially physical) bulk for this role and enough attack power - a whole 10 more than Henry.
I think Sophia definitely deserves re-evaluation on the tier list and is currently a much better choice than Robin, whose stat distribution is worse and who is helpless against the most common mages.
Didn't think TA MRobin was so unpopular nowadays. Been running him on defense to decent results (granted Threaten Def Takumi and Azura are backing him up). Guess it helps that I have BTombbreaker on him, which deals with Linde pretty great. I assume Julia and Nino make quick work of him though.
I've only seen one Robin in the last 3 weeks and oddly enough he screwed up a sort of ok run because I wasn't paying attention to his blue tomebreaker.
Got 688 from my first match of the week, so 5* Sharena is definitely getting me more points. I was averaging 680 before, with a 4* Selena. I'm really curious how much inheritance matters for the matchmaking now as all of my units are fully decked out. But none of mine are merged, and my stat totals should average out as I have one armor and one mage.
Also here's hoping I get more teams like the no-buffs flier group I just saw. I can only imagine that was just someone banging out the new quests.
Got 688 from my first match of the week, so 5* Sharena is definitely getting me more points. I was averaging 680 before, with a 4* Selena. I'm really curious how much inheritance matters for the matchmaking now as all of my units are fully decked out. But none of mine are merged, and my stat totals should average out as I have one armor and one mage.
Also here's hoping I get more teams like the no-buffs flier group I just saw. I can only imagine that was just someone banging out the new quests.
I run TA MRobin with Blue Tomebreaker on my offensive team and he is a juggernaut. I actually can't find a viable replacement. Takumi barely tickles him, he can survive Kagero and take her out on his next turn, Red's do single digit damage. Blue tomebreaker takes care of Linde just like you say. Very very versatile and is actually the cornerstone of my team. Not so great on Defense though, easily baited.
I've since raised Nowi and Linde to 5* and put all sorts of skills on them and I keep turning back to Robin due to the colorless advantage and his ability to tank red sword users. If I want to run with Eirika or Olivia they aren't strong enough to take on multiple melee encounters from reds so it's nice to have a second character that can pop in there and do that, Linde can't.
Might just be my play style, but combining him with Nino and Eirika/Roy/Olivia is basically unstoppable.
The new arena matching makes me pay REALLY harshly for fusing my 2 Takumis. Like, I have him, a solid 4* Raven, a level 35 4* Olivia and a 5* Sharena with whatever Sophia's special is called tacked on (at level 30!!) and the game pits me against monstrosities like Vantage Hector.
Holy cow.
I doubt I can get a full winstreak at this point.
Holy cow.
I doubt I can get a full winstreak at this point.
I really like my TA + B Tomebreaker MRobin. He's one of the more versatile characters on my team and is my counter to all blue mages and greys except Reinhardt. He beats Rein if Robin initiates, but can't tank that initial double from Rein. He oneshots Lucina and Ryoma if he has attack buffs while taking very little damage in return. Takumi and Kagero are both oneshots, and easily tanked.
I'd replace him with Linde if I had one, but otherwise MRobin adds some much needed ranged damage to my team.
He is definitely less common in arena these days, though. Way more Reins and Lindes instead.
I'd replace him with Linde if I had one, but otherwise MRobin adds some much needed ranged damage to my team.
He is definitely less common in arena these days, though. Way more Reins and Lindes instead.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I am about to rotate Robin back into the mix because I am seeing a lot more archers now. I think as people backed off Robin more people have included archers. Running into at least one every other match.
Edit: Flier Emblem can go kick rocks. Everyone I have run into has multiple merged units and the best skills and weapons.
Edit: Flier Emblem can go kick rocks. Everyone I have run into has multiple merged units and the best skills and weapons.
I don't know, I was really excited to get Linde. But she's just squishy, and already having a squishy Nino and Olivia I found her not as viable. She's the first one back in if I don't have to run an Arena bonus character, but if I want to preserve my colorless advantage I can't find a place for her on my team without removing Nino or Olivia/Roy/Eirika. I can't wait for one day the bonus characters to align with my dream team.
I wonder if replacing Takumi or MRobin on my defense team with Brave Lance+ Effie would be a good idea. I've been slowly getting all the right abilities on her (Noontime and threaten def), but don't really have a use for her on my offensive arena team since Azura/Nino/Eirika are mainstays and I need to have a bonus unit in there at all times.
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