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Disregarding playing the game with Lyn and Eliwood some 10+ years ago, I am a pretty much a FE newcomer. So far this is fun enough. My team is above, I do fairly well for my needs (up till 9-5 on Normal currently). I dunno, is this okay? Don't feel like I need a blue but I might use Effie.

Few questions.
1. Should I level a character as much as possible before unlocking his potential?
2. Do learned skills carry over when I do so?
3. Should I aim to be as high level as possible with both copies before combining units? (asking for my Effie above)

Also, even at 3*, this Azuma fellow is gold in my party. I'm promoting him the first chance I get.
And Fae is a TANK. High HP, hits like a truck and has self regen. Beautiful.

1.) Doesn't matter. You could gain more SP, but you can also get them for killing enemies.
2.) Edit: No, not when you combie them, I though when you upgrade them from, let's say, 3* to 4*. Then the skills and SP you learned will still be there.
3.) Doesn't matter.

 

[Draxal]

I see. I was a bit confused as I thought triangle adept was generally considered a meh skill.

Triangle adept is bad for red units because everybody is a red unit. It's good for blue units because of how many red units there are.

 

[Red_taiyaki]

Disregarding playing the game with Lyn and Eliwood some 10+ years ago, I am a pretty much a FE newcomer. So far this is fun enough. My team is above, I do fairly well for my needs (up till 9-5 on Normal currently). I dunno, is this okay? Don't feel like I need a blue but I might use Effie.

Few questions.
1. Should I level a character as much as possible before unlocking his potential?
2. Do learned skills carry over when I do so?
3. Should I aim to be as high level as possible with both copies before combining units? (asking for my Effie above)

Also, even at 3*, this Azuma fellow is gold in my party. I'm promoting him the first chance I get.
And Fae is a TANK. High HP, hits like a truck and has self regen. Beautiful.

1) Imo, you can promote once they hit 20 since they go back to level 1 when you promote them anyways.
2) Yes, they carry over.
3") Not sure about three....

 

[chrono01]

Well the only way to test would be to find Microwave operating above big CRT and use it to send SMS to yourself to the past with message to pull 5 minutes later. Of course there's a risk that everyone else would forget what were results first time

 

[lt519]

There's nothing else to use those blessings of light on at the moment I guess!

Hopefully not during this event on the 10th!

I can get 5 more if I level up Cain and get 15 level 35+ kills. Shouldn't be bad.

Btw, whatever happened to the 10,000 feathers for that social media event?

 

[Totakeke]

I see. I was a bit confused as I thought triangle adept was generally considered a meh skill.

It makes someone a specialist, is a specialist good?

Some people would say specialists suck and others would disagree. Leo and Linde only has 2 attack points difference and Narcian has triangle adept.

You can always unequip triangle adept though.

 

[The Wheel of Fortune]

How do people have so many orbs already?

 

[Drayco21]

Started today; only 4* draws at best so far, but I'm pretty satisfied. Frederick is wrecking people left and right, and Roy and Sharena are picking off what's left. I should probably drop Virion, as much as I like having an archer; he's not doing much anymore but dying.

 

[Mathematics]

How do people have so many orbs already?

Rush through story normal/hard/lunatic = 135 orbs. Or whales?

 

[dimb]

Triangle adept is bad for red units because everybody is a red unit. It's good for blue units because of how many red units there are.

Arena is heavy on red but late game chapters for PvE stuff has lots of green and blue. You can also counter infantry instead of red and you'll be able to deal with just about everything. Galeforce charge time is too long to take seriously. Cordelia is one of the most overvalued units on the American tier lists.

 

[Quonny]

Triangle Adept will be one of the better skills in the game. The harder the content and the longer the game is out the more you'll have to specialize.

Also Galeforce + Dancer is stupid good. On it's own, and with the maps right now, yeah, Galeforce is a little underwhelming.

 

[MANUELF]

Have my first defense points :O

 

[CountAntonius]

Triangle Adept will be one of the better skills in the game. The harder the content and the longer the game is out the more you'll have to specialize.

Yeah seeing the way variety of skills characters have when more content is added and the PvP meta changes teams will make use of lower tier utility subs. Some of the really have some cool skills.

 

[Totakeke]

Gamepress renamed their tier list to be a pvp tier list.

https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/pvp-tier-list

In the current arena structure, non-blue specialists are probably less valuable but generally specialists are less valuable when you can't change your teams to suit the situation. Specialists are much more valuable in PvE because you know exactly what you're facing and you should make a team to tackle that.

There really should be three different tier lists. PvE, offensive PvP, and defensive PvP.

 

[michaelius]

It makes someone a specialist, is a specialist good?

From my experience - not in this game. You can one shot almost everything in favorable attacks anyway , so ability to deal in single turn again neutral or even better opposing colour is much more important.

With current Takumi craze getting someone with bonus against neutrals would be much better.

 

[Gotchaye]

I tend to agree that Cordelia is overvalued. Galeforce in particular is not that useful. I don't know how his stat distribution works out but I think I'd generally prefer Abel as a Brave Lancer, since he moves farther and probably activates ranged protection when he charges in to melee.

I actually think that Triangle Adept is probably not bad on Cordelia. She doesn't have great stats - she's generally even more fragile than Lyn and Lucina and she's a lot slower too. Lots of greens would still kill her without it, but she'd fail to kill lots of reds without it. As-is she can kill most reds without taking damage, but she's likely to get killed on the enemy's turn unless you're able to fight them one at a time.

 

[CountAntonius]

Gamepress renamed their tier list to be a pvp tier list.

https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/pvp-tier-list

In the current arena structure, non-blue specialists are probably less valuable but generally specialists are less valuable when you can't change your teams to suit the situation. Specialists are much more valuable in PvE because you know exactly what you're facing and you should make a team to tackle that.

There really should be three different tier lists. PvE, offensive PvP, and defensive PvP.

Very cool. Abel is that high huh? Time to look him up.

 

[Totakeke]

From my experience - not in this game. You can one shot almost everything in favorable attacks anyway , so ability to deal in single turn again neutral or even better opposing colour is much more important.

With current Takumi craze getting someone with bonus against neutrals would be much better.

That's still a specialist, just against neutrals.

Plus how are you going to one shot this guy in PvE with most characters.

I'm sure they're making harder content in the future as well.

 

[dimb]

Triangle Adept will be one of the better skills in the game. The harder the content and the longer the game is out the more you'll have to specialize.

Also Galeforce + Dancer is stupid good. On it's own, and with the maps right now, yeah, Galeforce is a little underwhelming.

If Cordelia's speed or defensive stats were better it'd be more intimidating. I'm sure it's fine but you can do way nuttier things with a dancer. I don't think Triangle Adept is terrible, but generally speaking it seems like overkill, and versatility is really useful when all units inevitable bunch up on these small maps.

 

[CountAntonius]

Cordelia is definitely the weak spot in my team at the moment and constantly getting destroyed. She's basically a sacrifice. If I get a Robin she is gone.

 

[kswiston]

There doesn't seem to be much motivation to go all in on Arena PVP at the moment.

Dumb AI really limits the effect of even top level teams. I guess you could be unlucky enough to come across 4 Hectors or something, but besides that and shitty map selections, Arena is usually a breeze.

 

[Draxal]

Gamepress renamed their tier list to be a pvp tier list.

https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/pvp-tier-list

In the current arena structure, non-blue specialists are probably less valuable but generally specialists are less valuable when you can't change your teams to suit the situation. Specialists are much more valuable in PvE because you know exactly what you're facing and you should make a team to tackle that.

There really should be three different tier lists. PvE, offensive PvP, and defensive PvP.

Pvp is all about counterpicks.

Hector gets bodied by tiki who gets bodied by lords.

 

[Totakeke]

There doesn't seem to be much motivation to go all in on Arena PVP at the moment.

Dumb AI really limits the effect of even top level teams. I guess you could be unlucky enough to come across 4 Hectors or something, but besides that and shitty map selections, Arena is usually a breeze.

Winning usually isn't a problem, losing no units in the process is the challenge though.

Pvp is all about counterpicks.

Hector gets bodied by tiki who gets bodied by lords.

Sure, but you can't rank a pvp tier list by saying you expect most people to have hectors right now.

 

[Draxal]

Sure, but you can't rank a pvp tier list by saying you expect most people to have hectors right now.

Ayup, but you can expect Lucinas or Marths so Tiki is further down she should be, becuase Lucina and Marth destroys her.

 

[Quonny]

If Cordelia's speed or defensive stats were better it'd be more intimidating. I'm sure it's fine but you can do way nuttier things with a dancer. I don't think Triangle Adept is terrible, but generally speaking it seems like overkill, and versatility is really useful when all units inevitable bunch up on these small maps.

I dunno, I love her. Maybe she just fits me team. By far the number one damage dealer, and if she can just survive one turn it's over for the enemy.

 

[Gotchaye]

I really want someone to put together a defense team of 4 Hectors and see how quickly they rack up defense wins.

Sure, but you can't rank a pvp tier list by saying you expect most people to have hectors right now.

I'm not sure I follow. Taking the meta into account when laying down a tier list is pretty standard in games where you won't know who you're up against until after you're locked in. Tiki is really valuable on an offensive team because she easily wipes out Hector, who is really popular and otherwise can be kind of a pain (although he loses to most melee reds 1v1).

 

[OVDRobo]

Finally ran out of opportunities to get complete pulls after just finishing chapter 7 of Lunatic.

Here's what I got from what amounts to most of the orbs available in-game for free currently, minus around 1 complete 5-pull because I upgraded my castle three times and haven't beat the last 2 chapters of Lunatic yet.

I've got a solid team at this point and I'm pleased that I got a 5* Lucina on my final pull. Leaves things on a good note even if she is a bit redundant since I already have a solid Lyn. Time to train up and advance every unit I like while sporadically pulling for characters I like here and there. I'd really like a Hector or Raven to replace Camilla because she becomes a liability when there's an archer on the map.

 

[Moonlight]

I really want someone to put together a defense team of 4 Hectors and see how quickly they rack up defense wins.

They'd eat up regular teams but get destroyed by anyone running Tiki.

 

[Wyndstryker]

I really want someone to put together a defense team of 4 Hectors and see how quickly they rack up defense wins.

Given the current meta, 4 hectors is literally the hard counter to what everyone wants to have.

And no one really wants to use greens due to how many reds people use so encountering a team of greens to counter the hectors is so unlikely.

 

[Draxal]

I really want someone to put together a defense team of 4 Hectors and see how quickly they rack up defense wins.

If a team has a hector on defense it's a free four members alive for me because of the AI.

 

[kuroneko0509]

I really want someone to put together a defense team of 4 Hectors and see how quickly they rack up defense wins.



I'm not sure I follow. Taking the meta into account when laying down a tier list is pretty standard in games where you won't know who you're up against until after you're locked in. Tiki is really valuable on an offensive team because she easily wipes out Hector, who is really popular and otherwise can be kind of a pain (although he loses to most melee reds 1v1).

just 3. put some random low tier @ 1st slot then the trap is perfect

 

[DecoReturns]

Couldn't Roy just destroy 4 Hectors?

 

[kswiston]

Winning usually isn't a problem, losing no units in the process is the challenge though.

I guess, but that when the lack of motivation to do a ton better comes in. The difference between being 4999th and 11th in Arena is only 1000 feathers. So all of that extra effort in team building gets you one extra 5* upgrade every 5 months. If you are lucky enough to have 2+ of the featured heroes, you can get a top 5000 finish if you lose 1 character a round.

I'm sure this will change later though.

 

[Gotchaye]

If a team has a hector on defense it's a free four members alive for me because of the AI.

A Hector, sure. He's not a good one-of on a defense team. Multiple Hectors will tend to stick together, benefiting from Goad Armor, and won't straggle in behind everyone else because they all move slow.

I still expect that this team would get defense wins at a faster rate than just about any other. Probably 4x Robin would do great too. You're not trying to win every game, you're trying to win almost every game.

 

[Moonlight]

Given the current meta, 4 hectors is literally the hard counter to what everyone wants to have.

And no one really wants to use greens due to how many reds people use so encountering a team of greens to counter the hectors is so unlikely.

...Hector is green.

 

[Totakeke]

I'm not sure I follow. Taking the meta into account when laying down a tier list is pretty standard in games where you won't know who you're up against until after you're locked in. Tiki is really valuable on an offensive team because she easily wipes out Hector, who is really popular and otherwise can be kind of a pain (although he loses to most melee reds 1v1).

Most people don't have hectors. Do I build a tier list having anti-unit specialists all on top? Probably not because most teams you face don't have a Hector especially with the current summon focus. I've seen one Hector so far.

 

[kswiston]

They'd eat up regular teams but get destroyed by anyone running Tiki.

Which is every other team right now.

All I face are legions of Takumis, Lyns, Tikis, and Lucinas.

 

[Gotchaye]

Most people don't have hectors. Do I build a tier list having anti-unit specialists all on top? Probably not because most teams you face don't have a Hector especially with the current summon focus. I've seen one Hector so far.

Depends where you are, I guess. I've seen him in about half of games. I would agree that for the typical player it's probably the case that Robin is the best hero to have on an offensive team.

 

[Totakeke]

I guess, but that when the lack of motivation to do a ton better comes in. The difference between being 4999th and 11th in Arena is only 1000 feathers. So all of that extra effort in team building gets you one extra 5* upgrade every 5 months. If you are lucky enough to have 2+ of the featured heroes, you can get a top 5000 finish if you lose 1 character a round.

I'm sure this will change later though.

Maybe your team is amazing, I find that I have to put in significant effort planning out turns just to break top 10k ranks.

 

[CountAntonius]

Gonna probably roll another one after this but for PvP I almost feel like I should ditch Cordelia for my healer or some other utility. I feel like most of the time I'm just trying to not get her killed and reds don't bother my team very much as it is.

 

[OceanBlue]

Most people don't have hectors. Do I build a tier list having anti-unit specialists all on top? Probably not because most teams you face don't have a Hector especially with the current summon focus. I've seen one Hector so far.

This isn't really a refutation that you take the meta into account when making tier lists as much as it is a refutation that being strong against Hector matters a lot overall. I'd say that it matters that there are a lot of Takumi in the meta since it discourages fliers.

IMO it matters a lot that Tiki is a strong unit who is ALSO good against Hector. We aren't just taking about a character like Setsuna or Kagerou who peaks against specific character types.

 

[Draxal]

Gonna probably roll another one after this but for PvP I almost feel like I should ditch Cordelia for my healer or some other utility. I feel like most of the time I'm just trying to not get her killed and reds don't bother my team very much as it is.

She doesn't work for your team, you need ranged.

Cordy is also a unit that reallly really really needs a + ATK mod and to be star five. A dancer also helps her a ton.

 

[CuthbertAllgoodz]

Having my team built around Hector is great everywhere but PVP. Just tried 3 Advanced, Tiki leader 3 times in a row. I don't even try the fights. Nothing on my team can do anything against her. I have a 4* Chrom to level, would it help against her?

 

[Totakeke]

This isn't really a refutation that you take the meta into account when making tier lists as much as it is a refutation that being strong against Hector matters a lot overall. I'd say that it matters that there are a lot of Takumi in the meta since it discourages fliers.

IMO it matters a lot that Tiki is a strong unit who is ALSO good against Hector. We aren't just taking about a character like Setsuna or Kagerou who peaks against specific character types.

The example given was Hector, and I mentioned in a prior post that blue specialists right now would be more valuable. So yes, overall meta matters, just not the best unit some people have.

 

[OceanBlue]

The example given was Hector, and I mentioned in a prior post that blue specialists right now would be more valuable. So yes, overall meta matters, just not the best unit some people have.

Oh my bad. Lost track of the conversation.

 

[michaelius]

That's still a specialist, just against neutrals.

Plus how are you going to one shot this guy in PvE with most characters.

I'm sure they're making harder content in the future as well.

As for super tanky guys you can't be good against everything. So it's up to how meta shapes - if they get super popular then I'll try to counter with team compossition.

Having my team built around Hector is great everywhere but PVP. Just tried 3 Advanced, Tiki leader 3 times in a row. I don't even try the fights. Nothing on my team can do anything against her. I have a 4* Chrom to level, would it help against her?

Heh this really shows how rock-paper-scissor elements are important in this game. Every Dragon encountered so far was free frag for my Lucina or my Linde.

 

[Gotchaye]

Having my team built around Hector is great everywhere but PVP. Just tried 3 Advanced, Tiki leader 3 times in a row. I don't even try the fights. Nothing on my team can do anything against her. I have a 4* Chrom to level, would it help against her?

If he has Falchion, yes. Otherwise no. I don't know if he has it at 4* or if he can only get it at 5*. Lucina and Chrom with Falchion will wipe out any dragon very quickly. Otherwise you've just got to play the color game. You want a strong blue attacker, preferably with good Res. Edit: Oh, Marth has it too.

 

[Draxal]

If he has Falchion, yes. Otherwise no. I don't know if he has it at 4* or if he can only get it at 5*. Lucina and Chrom with Falchion will wipe out any dragon very quickly. Otherwise you've just got to play the color game. You want a strong blue attacker, preferably with good Res.

He needs 5 star for it (silver sword otherwise) as does Marth. Lucy can only be a five star so she doesn't have this issue.

 

[CountAntonius]

She doesn't work for your team, you need ranged.

Cordy is also a unit that reallly really really needs a + ATK mod and to be star five. A dancer also helps her a ton.

Yep. Reason I keep rolling for the ever elusive Takumi.

 

[kswiston]

Maybe your team is amazing, I find that I have to put in significant effort planning out turns just to break top 10k ranks.

5* Chrom, Takumi, and Camilla, along with a 4* Kagero.

I probably did get lucky with the composition given the units everyone seems to be favouring at the moment. Camilla is the weak link, but she can eat a lance or M Robin hit if needed.

I can get 0-1 character loss victories 80% of the time. I took one beating in my current round of arenas (a victory, but 3 dead and Chrom at 6HP), but assuming that I don't flop the 7th fight, I am heading for somewhere between 3850-3950 total score.

Low mobility maps make more of a difference than the enemy team composition in most of my fights.