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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT| The Beautiful Game
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But your club has already bid ~£15m for him, so clearly, objectively, he is worth more than £10m.
Willkiller
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Taste of his own medicine.
Really? His goalscoring for Liverpool has been ordinary compared to his time at Ajax and he embroiled himself in a petulant race row. I don't think he's in that bracket.
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I'd say that'd be the upper limit. Nobody will pay £30m+ for a striker whose finishing is as inconsistent as his defence in a recent court case.
He's worth more to us than that. More like £20 million, and that's pounds, not euros.
Then you're a fool.
The headline alone is enough to make me believe that it's a steaming pile of horse shit, more so than the surreal figures being thrown about. I think it would've caught on more if it were true though, because it displays an astonishing level of tackling incompetence.
Yeah, about £25m would be a fair value for him, maybe up to £27m but no more.
Tim the Wiz
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You have to see the difference between "throwing the C word about" on the pitch and literally running up to a camera to hurl obscenities toward a huge live audience. There's no way you're going to set a precedent about no swearing on the pitch, so there's no reason to charge Anton Ferdinand. You can set a precedent about idiots running up to the camera and swearing at a live audience, so there is a reason to charge Rooney. You can set a precedent about idiots (much though I want him on the pitch against Everton) normalizing the pervasive and destructive admonition that minorities stop "acting white" in the very public realm of twitter, so there is a reason to charge Rio Ferdinand.
Yep, which makes me worry about how we'll fair next season when he's heading the attacking 3. Still think we need a top striker in to replace Carroll, with Suarez and Borini either side.
And I'd like to make note that all these potshot evaluations are making me giggle. Value is determined on a per club basis with a variety of factors. You can't just say 'inconsistent finisher -£25 million'.
kyoufu said:
ushojax said:
Value isn't dependent only on the buying club. Why would we sell our best player for less than what we bought him for? If someone wanted Suarez enough to prize him away, it would cost them upward of 30 million. His contract is up in 2016, and he's one of the best strikers in world football.
Maybe I'm just thinking of "value" in different terms to you all.
And he has a poor finishing record for Liverpool thus far, but he creates a phenomenal amount of chances.
It's such a shame Fiorentina haven't got any decent strikers we could use Aquilani a a bargaining tool for...
I don't even know what they're thinking tbh. I don't see how he's worth that much. I'd rather go for someone from Europe who'd probably cost less.
I think the only reason we'd want Carroll for that sort of price would be the fact that he'd stick around for a while given his recent transfer failure.
Their one decent one is off to Juve, and even he isn't an out and out striker.
Still think we should just pool a shit load of money together and make a spunky bid for Cavani, even if the chances of him coming are slimmer than Oscar. I just want to see an acknowledgement that we need some top striking talent, there were lots of reports coming out last summer that the club felt it hadn't replaced Torres, and after last season that should be more evident than ever.
Being serious, you don't think he's even worth £10m? At his age, the fact he was good for you before?
You don't think Agger, Suarez, Lucas, Johnson and Reina are worth £10m?
True you can't apply a straight value across players as there is a variety of factors that determine value not just pure ability, still won't stop me doing it to players
The issue isn't with Fiorentina, it's with Aquilani. He makes, reportedly, at least £100k per week with us. He'd have to knock off 70% of his salary.
Also, I wouldn't want us to break the bank for Jovetic. He's a good dribbler and can be exciting to watch a really great Youtube player, but he's injury prone and IMO would have difficulty fitting into the EPL.
Broder Salsa
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Well what everyone responded to was Kyoufu saying he wouldn't buy any of those players for more than 10 mil. Not what Liverpool would demand for them, of course Suarez isn't going for cheap but I don't think any clubs would want to buy him for close to 30mil.
Kyoufu is not good with money
Kyoufu has absolutely no idea what the value of a pound sterling is. He probably thinks a sandwich from a corner deli costs 75 of them.
I don't think anyone here has suggested that a club would pay £30 million for Suarez, just that that's the price it would take to make Liverpool accept.
Tevez came back from Argentina in a bad way. He's getting fitter though, I think he's featured in all of the pre-season games, they are really flogging him.
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Also , to be fair, Jovetic looks like Downing with Brian May's hair. That alone is a cause for concern.
It's a shame we couldn't keep Torres. He's shown a gread deal of aptitude when he needs to play out wide over the last season at Chelsea, and I'm sure Suarez, Borini and Gerrard would give him great service.
It's a shame we couldn't keep Torres. He's shown a gread deal of aptitude when he needs to play out wide over the last season at Chelsea, and I'm sure Suarez, Borini and Gerrard would give him great service.
Broder Salsa
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Sounds like he would make a fine replacement for Comolli. But my point was just that the discussion what players Kyoufu/we would be willing to buy for over 10 mil. But yeah, Liverpool would probably value him at 30 mil.
Broder Salsa
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As dumb as it was, completely different cases. One had done extremely well in both la liga and premier league. The other has done extremely well in a league were Kezman was a star in.
I wouldn't sell Glen Johnson for less than £20 million. That's a statement I fully stand behind and is more than likely going to attract some odd looks. Such an underrated player.
One was showing insane form at a young age, the other was showing the worst form of their career and looking physically spent.
Nah, can't defend, headless chicken etc etc
12-14m for me. Underrated though, yes.
Kyoufu's just dribbling in a corner and his saliva is heavy enough to type this shit, I'm sure of it.
Broder Salsa
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In a league well known for defending terrible and having extremely shit forwards score tons and tons of goals who then goes on top flop in bigger leagues.
Exactly. The market determines value, if nobody wants to pay more than £20m then he isn't worth more than that. People insisted last summer that Modric wasn't worth £40m but that's what Chelsea offered. Players are only worth what people are willing to pay for them.
Remember Afonso Alves?
I'd pay £8m for Carroll. He was only really good for us in the Championship and while he scored goals in the PL, our style of play has changed since then. We don't play that many long balls now. Liverpool should sell him to West Ham for the 17 million and call it a day.
Of course, I'm speaking from a "we don't have much money to spend" frame of mind so I wouldn't pay much. Suarez is certainly not worth 30 million to me but *shrug* guess he is to others with more money in their pockets
You don't buy Suarez and Lavezzi to score goals, you buy them to help create them.
Lavezzi-Cavani was a devastating combination. Suarez needs a Cavani!
Borini?
Which is also why Marotta was saying RVP(Finisher)+Suarez.
It's never going to happen, but what a match!I think Glen would go for 15-ish, mostly because he just signed a new contract recently.
I wouldn't say "underrated" is the word for him it's not that he goes unnoticed or underappreciated, it's that people actively think he's shit. They're wrong, but people get facts wrong all the time, and I don't even care.
He's one of our better attacking players, IMO. He does occasionally get caught out of position (like every fullback alive). His goal against Chelsea was pure sex. And that scissor kick vs Swansea should have gone in if Vorm wasn't like Spiderman with the reflexes of a coked up kitten.
I wouldn't say "underrated" is the word for him it's not that he goes unnoticed or underappreciated, it's that people actively think he's shit. They're wrong, but people get facts wrong all the time, and I don't even care.
He's one of our better attacking players, IMO. He does occasionally get caught out of position (like every fullback alive). His goal against Chelsea was pure sex. And that scissor kick vs Swansea should have gone in if Vorm wasn't like Spiderman with the reflexes of a coked up kitten.
Broder Salsa
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Way too well. Mostly because Copenhagen were peanuts from buying him though before Herenveen managed to get him, Copenhagen fans were so mad at the sport director for so long after that. :lol
Modric debate is another good example. Many people don't believe Modric is a £40 million midfielder, which means nob all, because he is to Spurs and they're the ones who're being asked to do a deal.
I remember seeing him struggle to do kick ups during his unveiling for Middlesborough.
I'd pay £8m for Carroll. He was only really good for us in the Championship and while he scored goals in the PL, our style of play has changed since then. We don't play that many long balls now. Liverpool should sell him to West Ham for the 17 million and call it a day.
Of course, I'm speaking from a "we don't have much money to spend" frame of mind so I wouldn't pay much. Suarez is certainly not worth 30 million to me but *shrug* guess he is to others with more money in their pockets
If I was to put prices on the Liverpool team
Reina - 13m
Johnson - 12m
Agger - 20m
Skrtel - 18m
Enrique - 8m
Lucas - 20m
Henderson - 10m
Gerrard - 10m
Suarez - 20m
Carroll - 10m
Downing - 6m
that guy must be rolling in some serious money, he represents every portuguese player or something.
why have you even bothered to do this
so i can pretend im playing football manager while my computer doesnt work
Downing for 6 million? I'd rather not. We bought Cabaye for less.
Real scouting yeeeeeah.
edit: I hope LFC fans don't feel like I'm attacking them. I'm just saying that a lot of players are overpriced and money can be better spent if you look around in other countries. Something Liverpool learned last season.
Real scouting yeeeeeah.
edit: I hope LFC fans don't feel like I'm attacking them. I'm just saying that a lot of players are overpriced and money can be better spent if you look around in other countries. Something Liverpool learned last season.
You have it backwards. Modric would be worth 20m if that's all Tottenham demanded for him. You have no idea what amount a club is willing to pay until a transaction actually occurs.
Broder Salsa
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Good to see Palermo players doing well at the olympics...
...he described South Koreans as a "bunch of mentally handicapped retards,"
...he described South Koreans as a "bunch of mentally handicapped retards,"
Sure, but if nobody offers £40m then he isn't worth that. Modric might be very important to us but if nobody agrees and offers that fee then that isn't his value. Value is not the fee the seller wants, but the fee the buyer will pay.
Modric is worth whatever the highest bid we recieve is. How can a player be worth more than anyone is willing to pay? It makes no sense. When people talk about a player being worth '£x' to his club, they are hand-waving.
I must be tired, because I'm laughing hysterically at this.
LOL. How on earth do you know what every club in the world is willing to pay? You're taking the hard road here. It's much simpler and just as accurate to say "if a transfer were to occur, it'd need to be for X million pounds." The negotiations work both ways, and both sides are relevant. But ultimately it's down to the selling club to put a value on a player.
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