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[MarshMellow96]

Blame Space is still a 'junior junior member'... Where have you guys heard this?

Have we sold anyone today?

 

[Wilbur]

Seems everyone and their dog are playing 4-3-3 now.

I remember when Benitez popularised the 4-2-3-1 with a player in the hole, and then it seemed like the perfect way to play, an un-improvable system. In reality it only worked because of how exceptional the spine of Alonso, Masch, Gerrard, and Torres were. A system really is only as good as the players who fill it.

That's true, but the three in the middle gives me far more reassurance than when we play 4-2-4 at times with slowpokes Scholes and Carrick trying to protect the defence.

Like I've said before, a 4-3-3 of Fletcher/Carrick/Cleverley may not be the best around but its very well weighted in terms of skills and things the players bring to the squad. If we're playing a 4-2-3-1 now then we definitely need an Alonso or Mascherano alongside Scholes/Carrick. Such a shame Fletch is out.

4/7 on RVP to join United.

Bob Cass has gone all in.

I want him even less than Lucas, for fucks sake

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Seems everyone and their dog are playing 4-3-3 now.

I remember when Benitez popularised the 4-2-3-1 with a player in the hole, and then it seemed like the perfect way to play, an un-improvable system. In reality it only worked because of how exceptional the spine of Alonso, Masch, Gerrard, and Torres were. A system really is only as good as the players who fill it.

People get far too hung up on formations. Should allow the players freedom to roam in attack, while you promote and coach defensive shape and teamwork when defending. Expand and constrict as unit.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Come on Feyenoord win you fucks. I don't know anyone on their roster but I'm rooting for them out of pure 90's nostaliga.

Ed de Goey is probably rubbing his head right now.

 

[Vivalaraza]

I hate 433.

4231 is the best but you need a striker who will score loads and a proper top class #10.

Also my go to FM formation.

 

[LegoArmo]

Isco has a buyout clause of £20m.

United need to get that deal done.

I heard €16m, which is even better.

 

[KidA Seven]

Isco has a buyout clause of £20m.

United need to get that deal done.

Isn't he an attacking midfielder that can play on the wings?

 

[Wilbur]

People get far too hung up on formations. Should allow the players freedom to roam in attack, while you promote and coach defensive shape and teamwork when defending. Expand and constrict as unit.

Football Manager has taught me otherwise

I think the Barca way is a superb way to do it. The differentiation between philosophies when in attack and defence are generally what's needed. Keeping shape and pressing when not in possession, roaming around and swapping positions when in attack.

If you could teach every kid's team to play like Barca it'd be wonderful.

 

[Arnie]

Isco has a buyout clause of £20m.

United need to get that deal done.

I really think the last thing you 'need' is another winger.

That's true, but the three in the middle gives me far more reassurance than when we play 4-2-4 at times with slowpokes Scholes and Carrick trying to protect the defence.

Like I've said before, a 4-3-3 of Fletcher/Carrick/Cleverley may not be the best around but its very well weighted in terms of skills and things the players bring to the squad. If we're playing a 4-2-3-1 now then we definitely need an Alonso or Mascherano alongside Scholes/Carrick. Such a shame Fletch is out.

You need an Alonso type player?

People get far too hung up on formations. Should allow the players freedom to roam in attack, while you promote and coach defensive shape and teamwork when defending. Expand and constrict as unit.

I agree, that's what I was saying to Usho earlier when he insisted AVB would stick with the same 4231 that Redknapp had. A system's not really characterised by how the team's set out, but more how they react as a unit to the different aspects of the game.

 

[Vivalaraza]

Where does this Isco play. Heard good things about him.

 

[Labadal]

I want in on the GAF FF league, the free one.

 

[elsk]

Honduras should be playing today

 

[Freewheelin']

Where does this Isco play. Heard good things about him.

Malaga I believe?

 

[KidA Seven]

Where does this Isco play. Heard good things about him.

I thought he was an attacking midfielder/winger.

edit: you mean team? Malaga

 

[Wilbur]

I hate 433.

4231 is the best but you need a striker who will score loads and a proper top class #10.

Also my go to FM formation.

4-2-3-1 and alternating between 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 as my two back up formations is the fucking dog's bollocks.

You need an Alonso type player?

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Thank god that said fake, I almost fucking ripped my labia off in fury.

 

[LegoArmo]

Keeper should have saved that.

 

[Wessiej]

Apparently Anita has refused to sign a new contract at Ajax and his arrival at Newcastle is expected by the end of the week.

Wessiej have you heard anything?

Nope that has not happened...not even 1 rumor over here

 

[ATF487]

Can't let him score near post from there

 

[Jensen]

I've always wanted to know how do managers setup their teams tactically? I just can't imagine the top-level managers caring too much about formations, I always thought they just give their players instructions for when they don't have the ball and when they are in an attacking phase.

 

[Hargenx]

Man, Mano don't deserve this medal, come on Good Korea...

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Keeper should have saved that.

Agree, no way he should have been beaten at the near post there.

 

[KidA Seven]

Keeper messed up.

 

[K1LLER7]

Would like Romelu at United, looks a good player.

Howard Nurse
My understanding is there are no imminent signings due at #MUFC. That's not to say deals aren't being worked on though. #famouslastwords

 

[sohois]

People get far too hung up on formations. Should allow the players freedom to roam in attack, while you promote and coach defensive shape and teamwork when defending. Expand and constrict as unit.

I hate it as well, it's all just teams copying what's successful, at the moment that is Barca and everyone is the 4-3-3 that they employ is the only way to play, in a few years time some other teams is going to be successful and everyone will copy their formation, a few years after that and all the teams will be back to a traditional 4-4-2 after Stoke win the league.

I always think back to WC2010 when I hear people going on about the best formation, that complete idiot Andy Townsend wouldn't shut up about how the '4-4-2' was destroying England hopes and they would be so much better in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, the fool

 

[Wilbur]

I've always wanted to know how do managers setup their teams tactically? I just can't imagine the top-level managers caring too much about formations, I always thought they just give their players instructions for when they don't have the ball and when they are in an attacking phase.

I guess it's just telling them to stick here and go there so it forms some sort of vague formation. If Makelele is told to patrol in front of a defence then I guess on a team sheet he'd be slap bang between midfield and defence for appearance's sake.

AVB strikes me as the type that will slavishly plan out everything.

 

[Kyoufu]

I want to see 4-6-0 this season.

Anyone that does it will get my vote.

 

[Wilbur]

I hate it as well, it's all just teams copying what's successful, at the moment that is Barca and everyone is the 4-3-3 that they employ is the only way to play, in a few years time some other teams is going to be successful and everyone will copy their formation, a few years after that and all the teams will be back to a traditional 4-4-2 after Stoke win the league.

I always think back to WC2010 when I hear people going on about the best formation, that complete idiot Andy Townsend wouldn't shut up about how the '4-4-2' was destroying England hopes and they would be so much better in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, the fool

To be honest, the formation implies what players you pick. If England play what looks like a 4-4-2 that means there's two strikers, two midfielders that will share attacking and defensive duties... whereas a 4-3-3 might mean you can get a specialist defensive midfielder in or ensure that wingers are crossing to a target man instead of feeding it to someone alongside him.

I guess it's just the players picked dictate a formation for an audience?

 

[Freewheelin']

I want to see 4-6-0 this season.

Anyone that does it will get my vote.

Chelsea did it in the Champions League last season

You missed out mate.

And Stoke do it all the fucking time

 

[LegoArmo]

Mancini at the game, interesting.

 

[Vivalaraza]

A very flat 442 the type that England play IS outdated though.

It's all about finding spaces on the pitch and in a flat 442 youre not going to be doing things which makes other teams think twice.

 

[Sloosha]

Mancini watching the game. Perhaps he's scouting Nam tae-hee.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Mancini's at Old Trafford.

City to make late bid for Lucas, confirmed.

 

[K1LLER7]

South Korea No.6 looks a good player, linked with City

 

[elsk]

A very flat 442 the type that England play IS outdated though.

It's all about finding spaces on the pitch and in a flat 442 youre not going to be doing things which makes other teams think twice.

I agree. And I see the 4-2-3-1 as the 'evolution' of the 4-4-2 formation.

 

[sohois]

To be honest, the formation implies what players you pick. If England play what looks like a 4-4-2 that means there's two strikers, two midfielders that will share attacking and defensive duties... whereas a 4-3-3 might mean you can get a specialist defensive midfielder in or ensure that wingers are crossing to a target man instead of feeding it to someone alongside him.

I guess it's just the players picked dictate a formation for an audience?

A very flat 442 the type that England play IS outdated though.

It's all about finding spaces on the pitch and in a flat 442 youre not going to be doing things which makes other teams think twice.

Yes but under Capello it was obvious that it was never a traditional 4-4-2 anyway, the only thing indicating that it was was the presence of 2 strikers on the pitch. In fact, with Rooney frequently dropping deep, far more so than Heskey or Defoe the formation was far more like a 4-2-3-1 with Rooney in the Gerrard role (meanwhile Gerrard was deployed on the left, again a departure from the 4-4-2 which calls for traditional wingers). Commentators just looked at the team sheet and said it was 4-4-2, not considering what was actually happening in the game.

edit: Also, to both Viva & elsk, I must say I find your assertion incorrect. Why, because it is 4-4-2, must it be flat? As though the manager specifically tells his players "Alright, you're gonna play a 4-4-2, so what I want you to do is stay flat, don't move & avoid finding space". Why would playing in a 4-2-3-1 inherently cause players to be more able to find space, good players will find it regardless I feel. The only reason why they would specifically not find space is if the manager wanted to play a defensive game, which is what the likes of Stoke and Hodgson do. It often proves an effective tactic as well, particularly if your players are worse than the opposition.

 

[Kyoufu]

Chelsea did it in the Champions League last season

You missed out mate.

And Stoke do it all the fucking time

Wasn't that more like 10-0-0?

Stoke don't count tbfh.

 

[elsk]

edit: Also, to both Viva & elsk, I must say I find your assertion incorrect. Why, because it is 4-4-2, must it be flat? As though the manager specifically tells his players "Alright, you're gonna play a 4-4-2, so what I want you to do is stay flat, don't move & avoid finding space". Why would playing in a 4-2-3-1 inherently cause players to be more able to find space, good players will find it regardless I feel. The only reason why they would specifically not find space is if the manager wanted to play a defensive game, which is what the likes of Stoke and Hodgson do. It often proves an effective tactic as well, particularly if your players are worse than the opposition.

I find it to be an outdated formation. In the 4-4-2 two strikers are playing, but most strikers are average passers, and one of them has to drop deep anyway to get the ball, so having a CAM is a more intelligent decision than playing 2 strikers. Strikers are -usually- very bad in build up.

With the 4-4-2 you lose the option to have a modern #10, and most #10s are the type of Diego, Ozil, Kagawa nowdays.

Obviously, if you have two Tevez type of strikers it would make sense to play a 4-4-2.

 

[The_Hitcher89]

4-2-3-1 for life

 

[fadetoblack]

Reports out of the Italian press suggest we have tabled at €20m bid for Llorente to Atletico Bilbao.

Edit: I do hope these rumours are true. Would save me from having to buy Llorente in career mode of FIFA

 

[elsk]

Reports out of the Italian press suggest we have tabled at €20m bid for Llorente to Atletico Bilbao.

It's very possible to happen. Llorente doesn't want to renew his contract, and it ends after this season (IIRC).

Llorente is a very good striker, Gomez-type but with actual football skills.

 

[Wessiej]

Reports out of the Italian press suggest we have tabled at €20m bid for Llorente to Atletico Bilbao.

Edit: I do hope these rumours are true. Would save me from having to buy Llorente in career mode of FIFA

Juve still haven't got a striker huh? It would be a good buy I guess. 20M is A LOT though.

 

[fadetoblack]

Juve still haven't got a striker huh? It would be a good buy I guess. 20M is A LOT though.

We offered £20m to RVP plus paying his crazy salary. €20m for Llorente would be a relative bargain.

I say bring him on.

 

[Arnie]

Reports out of the Italian press suggest we have tabled at €20m bid for Llorente to Atletico Bilbao.

Edit: I do hope these rumours are true. Would save me from having to buy Llorente in career mode of FIFA

Seen it too, would be a mega signing. Reports from AS say that Llorente told Bilbao he'd be leaving to join the champions from another country, I think (that's what it sounded like to me through Chrome translate). Adds credibility to the Juve link.

 

[elsk]

Seen it too, would be a mega signing. Reports from AS say that Llorente told Bilbao he'd be leaving to join the champions from another country, I think (that's what it sounded like to me through Chrome translate). Adds credibility to the Juve link.

He wants to move to a Champions League-side.
His contract ends in 2013, yep: http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/fernando-llorente-comunica-athletic-desea/20120807dasdasftb_21/Tes

 

[The_Hitcher89]

 

[Wessiej]

He wants to move to a Champions League-side.
His contract ends in 2013, yep: http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/fernando-llorente-comunica-athletic-desea/20120807dasdasftb_21/Tes

He should join FC Oțelul Galați

 

[Arnie]

He wants to move to a Champions League-side.
His contract ends in 2013, yep: http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/fernando-llorente-comunica-athletic-desea/20120807dasdasftb_21/Tes

Thanks for that, just saw the word 'Champions'.

Adds even more misery onto the Spurs Champions League debacle. He would've been perfect. Might stick a fiver on him joining Juve.

What a horrible man. Boo him.

 

[Sloosha]

Come on Ji. Got to keep that down.

 

[Yurt]

Reports out of the Italian press suggest we have tabled at €20m bid for Llorente to Atletico Bilbao.

Edit: I do hope these rumours are true. Would save me from having to buy Llorente in career mode of FIFA

I don't rate him

But I'll take anyone who isn't Pazzini.

 

[Sloosha]

Fuck. KBK was fouled. That was a penalty.