There is still, apparently, some cynicism about Manchester Citys state-of-the-art new training complex.
There are still doubts about whether, despite all the money they have spent, any of their academy kids will make it into the first team.
The cynicism will redouble if the Blues fail to reach the last 16 of the Champions League after their clash with Roma here in Italy on Wednesday evening.
The template for longevity they unveiled on Monday suggests a desire to become the Eternal City, but Rome may not be willing to give up its title just yet.
Anyway, Im sorry, but theres a bigger picture here that makes the doubts and the cynicism all but irrelevant.
Sure, it will be a setback if City do not progress to the knock-out stages of the worlds premier club competition this season.
But, in the long term, what the clubs owners have created on the east side of the city centre is more important than that.
As a Mancunian, its hard not to feel great pride in the regeneration of a hitherto deprived part of the city.
You dont have to take a tour of the City Football Academy (CFA) that was opened this week to sense that pride, although it helps.
You just have to take the tram the smart, clean, gleaming new tram - a couple of stops from Manchester Piccadilly station.
Get off at the Holt Town Metrolink station and walk up the hill to the Etihad Stadium, where the current champions of England play.
Or alight at Etihad Campus or Velopark to find yourself at the centre of the kind of sport city that we are only used to glimpsing abroad.
Wander around the campus of UCLA, just off Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles, and you marvel at the wealth of sporting facilities on offer.
It happens in Australia, too. This pride in sport. This willingness to put it at the heart of modernisation and progress.
Too often, we think Why are we incapable of doing that here?
Now, in Manchester, City have done it.
You know what made me really proud, though? The club hasnt run away from its city. It has embraced it.
More and more, clubs are divorced from their communities -particularly when it comes to their training grounds.
Its the football equivalent of white flight. Their facilities are usually on the outside of town, either in an affluent suburb, further out in the countryside or close to the airport.
Sometimes, all three.
Real Madrid, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United, Inter Milan they all conform to that model.
The players dont need to have any contact with their clubs community. They dont even need to see their city, except on match days.
City have done the opposite of that.
They have moved from their greenfield site at Carrington, outside the M60 motorway ring road, into Manchester city centre.
City have come home.
Before, City captain Vincent Kompany said, the players could stay on the borders of Manchester without ever coming in except for the game.
Now we are in Manchester every single day.
Vincent Kompany with Mirror Sports writer Ollie Holt.
City centre: Vincent Kompany and our Oliver Holt tour the Blues' new digs
"It just creates that bond. The people that we see now are not just people who worked at Carrington. They are local people that we work besides every day.
There is so much more happening here that has to do with the local community. We are side by side with them.
At Carrington, it was goats and cows and that was it. This move changes a lot.
Kompany is right.
The move embeds the club in Manchester even more strongly than it was before.
The argument about who is Manchesters team is facile in many ways, but fans from the red half of the city may look on with some envy at these latest developments.
United need to be careful that they do not get left behind here.
They still have a massive support base, a spectacular record of winning trophies, a proud tradition of bringing kids through from the youth team, considerable spending power and a club history as rich and as powerful as any in the world.
Manchester City open £200m training academy
But, compared to what is going on at City, they are starting to look a little bit last century.
Their training base, also at Carrington, seems tired compared to what City have just unveiled.
Their media facilities - their outlet on the world are desperately outmoded compared to those of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Chelsea and City.
If I was in any position of influence at Manchester United, Id be worried about the latest flood of information about developments at City.
In fact, Id be embarrassed.
Id be embarrassed that a gaggle of ex-United players have chosen to send their footballing sons to the CFA, not to their alma mater.
And Id be embarrassed that City, once characterised as crazed spend-thrifts, are starting to look like the better long-term planners.
Id be applauding the Glazers for recognising the need to throw money at replenishing the first team, but Id be suggesting that maybe instead of taking so much cash out of the club, they should be investing more heavily in the future, too.
Thats what City are doing.
Be as cynical as you want, but its hard not to admire Sheikh Mansours long-term vision for the club.
Its hard not to think that, sooner or later, its going to pay off handsomely on the pitch, too.
It has to.
They dont build facilities like this for us to fail, Kompany said.