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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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You're starting to resurrect Wax.
Watching it live felt as if Ham got suddenly really slow but still it's Vettel's fault. He was behind, he was responsible for keeping the distance. And then hitting him? lol well deserved penalty. That's what you get for being a hothead.
Anyway eventful race but regardless the track allowed for a lot of overtaking. Well done Baku.
Anyway eventful race but regardless the track allowed for a lot of overtaking. Well done Baku.
My experience in almost 20 years of watching F1 is that blaming your team doesn't help. Even though I wasn't a big fan of MSC at least this guy stood by his team at the most difficult times.
One thing strikes me, and it's partially related to Vettel coming alongside - is there much disadvantage in just... not being on the racing line under the safety car? If you want to be really close so you aren't caught napping, wouldn't it be viable to take a line where there's guaranteed to be a gap?
darkinstinct
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Since half of his points are deleted after the next GP, I don't think it would come to that.
While I can imagine that, I'd also have to say that if headrests can come loose in the event of a crash, there's something fundamentally wrong with the headrest. That's what they're for!
I think you're just picking up too much dirt slowly driving off the racing line that it completely ruins your grip once you have to break into the first corner.
Lots of drivers seem to throw the team under the bus at the first signs of trouble these days - it's a bit like in football where the drivers/players and their agents have more control over the teams than the other way around.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
He had also earlier asked his team if he could do anything under the safety car to help Bottas catch up with the pack.
...while Bottas was dead last and 1 lap behind... sure... why not help him then its not like he is going to challenge him for first place...? It is good publicity after all.
What I am trying to say is, they are all pretty much the same... which IMO is perfectly understandable... when things get serious and tough, being fierce competitors, it is pretty much the same deal from every champion out there.
Be it Senna, Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton, Lauda everyone.
Its part of what makes you number 1.
Now the all around politics and theatrics are part of the game as well, but I have learned to just classify all this as bullshit material.
dl77
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What a great race that was. I genuinely thought beforehand it was going to end up as another Valencia, a soulless street race.
One thing they need to improve on is how they clear debris. 3 safety cars in such a short period just to pick up some bits of carbon fibre was ridiculous.
One thing they need to improve on is how they clear debris. 3 safety cars in such a short period just to pick up some bits of carbon fibre was ridiculous.
xrnzaaas
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Yep I think they should have more gaps in the fence so the marshals can get in and out quickly. With that a VSC phase or even yellow flags might have been enough.
Hydranockz
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You ignore how each of those micro events influences every other person on the field instead of just the times of HAM and VET. Why is that? Why haven't you worked out if RIC was going to have to push harder and possibly mess up? Or what about the marshals? Maybe they get cocky and send the golf cart out for a victory lap on the final lap?
Whatever batshit logic you want to invoke to peer into some alternative timeline is all well and good but to do so recklessly by ignoring every other participant is negligent.
AKA don't do this to yourself.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Well this is certainly a more measured outpouring of your thoughts...
Hamilton wasn't interested in beating Bottas, only Vettel. He asked if he could help because he had no idea he was in contention for second.
I wouldnt complain if he straight out requested to pass him (in case he was slowing him down).
Honest.
I am of the opinion that Formula 1 is a team sport. If one driver is clearly ahead he should be helped to secure championship in every possible way (within the rules ofc).
But the entire politics and hypocrisy thrown around regarding this matter in F1, is what fuels me with "anger". Its insulting after watching F1 for so many years.
twinturbo2
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Captain Crash got a podium.
Is this a sign of the end times?
Is this a sign of the end times?
brotkasten
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Hard to say. Maldonado won a Grand Prix, too.
twinturbo2
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Pastor's win the most recent win for Williams?
Yes, nothing since 2012.
What annoys me the most about Vettel's behavior is that he doesn't even apologize.
I hope that he cools off over the next days and realizes how stupid his move was. Not only because of the move itself, but also because he threw away an easy win.
I hope that he cools off over the next days and realizes how stupid his move was. Not only because of the move itself, but also because he threw away an easy win.
xrnzaaas
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New Kimi t-shirt incoming.
Yeah, these two things are not the same thing. There is a very big difference with being a tough driver, and being a complete asshat.
Just because they didn't break their cars this time, doesn't mean this wasn't a complete embarrassment of a move. Just like last year when he went on a radio tirade against VER and Whiting, childish dickish behaviour is not the same as being tough when you're over the age of 16.
Yeah, clearly people wanted drivers to drive into each other on purpose. This wasn't a cocky move for position or anything like that. He got pissy because he was not paying attention and wrecked his own frontwing. It's just stupid.
dl77
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'A little off script'?! He purposefully rammed his main rival! There's a difference between hard but fair and blatantly being a petulant child to the point where you could have ended up putting the two of you out of the race.
Plus that's not about drivers these days being 'nice'. What people want is drivers with character, people like Hunt, Irvine etc who have a bit of fun rather than just corporate mouthpieces. I don't think that means they're after drivers who purposefully drive into their competitors!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130396/hamilton-dismisses-vettel-request-for-talks
I have to say, even as someone who actively dislikes Hamilton, he's handling all of this very well. IMO the writing is on the wall for Lewis to bring his A++ game to the remaining 12 races.
I have to say, even as someone who actively dislikes Hamilton, he's handling all of this very well. IMO the writing is on the wall for Lewis to bring his A++ game to the remaining 12 races.
Jesus, overreaction.
The salient point was that things would likely have been different. I wasn't claiming the omniscient ability to predict exactly what would have happened.
AKA...SMH
dl77
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Yup, I'm not a big fan myself but he's certainly got his head into a better place for the most part over the past couple of years.
Shame that a 4 time champion can't admit to being in the wrong on anything. Ferrari need to sit him down and tell him to get his head screwed back on. This stupidity and ranting whenever anything doesn't go his way affects no-one but himself - apart from when he drives into competitors that is!
Slightly OT but I'm starting to see Max Verstappen heading this way. I know that Christian Horner is terrible about managing drivers but for a 19 year old kid in only his second season in a good-ish car he needs to be told that some of the shit he comes out with is unacceptable. Of course it won't happen as Helmut will make sure of that.
The sheer self-confidence one has to have to drive at 300+km/h and not doubt themselves cannot be overestimated. Not surprised that it spills over to levels of arrogance that would be utterly unacceptable in a normal, run of the mill situation.
These guys live in a different universe.
My friend got a dream job as a physiotherapist at the professional football club he had passionately supported all his life. He now says if you ever want to shatter the lofty pedestals you place your sporting heroes on, get a job working with them. The "good guys" turn out to be the exception rather than the norm.
Bitch Pudding
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It's superb with regard to the show. I mean that whole race was amazing and the pinnacle would have been a good old fashioned fist fight.
That said, Vettels move AND reaction was/is still stupid.
dl77
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Oh yeah but I also think the way some of the drivers come through these days has something to do with it also. The likes of Vettel and Verstappen came up through the RB drivers program. They've been shielded and told they're the best out there since they were knee high.
Except Verstappen did not come up through the Red Bull Junior programme.
dl77
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Eh? He joined the Red Bull Junior Team about three years ago. Not sure how that doesn't qualify?!
Scroll down this list and you'll see him there! http://juniorteam.redbull.com/drivers
That was like 6 months before his first F1 race for Toro Rosso. How much 'brainwashing' can they do in that time? Vettel was there for five years and even RIC was there for three years.
Elvin Atombender
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Didn't he drive with a Red Bull-livery in F3?
ElectronicOldMen
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Vettel wasn't a RB junior team guy either really, he was a BMW development driver until he got poached by Toro Rosso half way through 2007.
Not until the week before he got signed at Toro Rosso, before that he had a normal Van Amersfoort livery:
JadedWriter
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Yes and that day Senna's ghost burned down the pit garage.
Elvin Atombender
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I had forgotten that he was signed while the season was still going.
Well yeah, it's not like Perez could have driven through the wall like he's no-clipping.
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