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[Fabieter]

Babylon's Fall? Haha. But I guess that was outsourced to Platinum.

No I would count that but wasn't really AAA was it. Maybe Nier but that still more than a decade ago.

 

[Whitecrow]

Welll... I guess I'm in.
It sure have its flaws, but I like the setting a lot.
I like Frey too, even with all the shittalk.

Also, it does not look great... but not bad either. Visually It tries too hard on realism I think, and reality is boring and bland.

 

[Banjo64]

This game just looks so bad. The VO is bad. The gameplay and movement looks wooden. The fantasy world looks pretty washed out. Enjoy but I won’t touch this with a 10 foot barge pole.

 

[March Climber]

Tbh the talk over this game always nosedives, normally over most of the forum hating this game for whatever reason.

Part of the fun is seeing what jokes people come up with about the game. When we bring the other site into the equation, everyone just ends up wanting to discuss that site instead because they’re perpetually scorned with their ex(era) and can’t move on. Same thing kind of happens with Jason Schrier, where people become tunnel-visioned into needing him to be wrong at all times.

 

[LectureMaster]

Part of the fun is seeing what jokes people come up with about the game. When we bring the other site into the equation, everyone just ends up wanting to discuss that site instead because they’re perpetually scorned with their ex(era) and can’t move on. Same thing kind of happens with Jason Schrier, where people become tunnel-visioned into needing him to be wrong at all times.

Should've started with "let me get this straight".

 

[Black_Stride]

Ofc they did. But forspoken is a new AAA ip. I dont know when sqaure did the last one.

Ohh you meant new IP.
You said new game.

Bravely Default
Harvestella
Octopath Traveler
The World Ends With You
Triangle Strategy
DioField Chronicle
Setsuna
Lost Sphere (Spirtually Setsuna 2)
Nier.......if you consider Nier and Automata part of Drakensgard then 2003
Lord of Apocalypse

 

[ChiefDada]

The graphics I could possibly forgive but the voice acting and animations are simply unacceptable. Pretty or not the leading lady was not the right choice for the role. Clearly this project went left somewhere down the line and quality-wise this is a rare miss from Sony. I'm shocked at how bad this turned out.

 

[Fabieter]

Ohh you meant new IP.
You said new game.

Bravely Default
Harvestella
Octopath Traveler
The World Ends With You
Triangle Strategy
DioField Chronicle
Setsuna
Lost Sphere (Spirtually Setsuna 2)
Nier.......if you consider Nier and Automata part of Drakensgard then 2003
Lord of Apocalypse

Sqaure is one of my favorite pubs of all time but I would hardly call any game on this list AAA.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Game will flop.

 

[saintjules]

Did I miss any Shigeru Miyamoto quotes?

 

[GymWolf]

Lol the purples are mad because the very first scene is a black chick in a court

 

[Black_Stride]

Sqaure is one of my favorite pubs of all time but I would hardly call any game on this list AAA.

I dont know the budgets of any of these games, hell i dont even know if Kingdom Hearts 1 was a AAA game.

 

[Fabieter]

I dont know the budgets of any of these games, hell i dont even know if Kingdom Hearts 1 was a AAA game.

I dont know the budgets either but it's clear to me that kingdom hearts is closer to ff in production values than any other game from sqaure even more so than dragon quest. Anyway Luminous production worked on this for like six years, it's clearly a really big game and it's a shame it won't perform well.

Iam in day one I got it for 50 euro physical so I thought it's worth a shot. But iam not hopeful for it's success.

 

[TintoConCasera]

She's gotta be Aphrodite in disguise...

Can't we just forget about the game and keep on Frey posting?

 

[Perfo]

That prologue is longer than what I wished... this game keeps looking troublesome :\

 

[Black_Stride]

Can't we just forget about the game and keep on Frey posting?

If there is no leggy costume to unlock the modding community have some day one work to do.

These legs being hidden is as much of a crime as DC trying to hide Wonder Womans thighs.

 

[DavidGzz]

Will be hot on PC eventually with a bunch of mods to get rid of the cringe. The modders need to put some meat on her bones as well....

 

[b0uncyfr0]

The voice acting isnt that bad - its the facial animation that kills it for me.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

There was no doubt this game was going to suck. Barren wasteland as a gameworld, annoying main character,...

 

[FingerBang]

So do we all agree it's worth buying this game to make sure there's a sequel and that hot legged chick gets more money so we see more of her?

Jokes aside, I liked the demo, will deffo play this though probably not at launch cause backlog and also no time

 

[GymWolf]

The graphics I could possibly forgive but the voice acting and animations are simply unacceptable. Pretty or not the leading lady was not the right choice for the role. Clearly this project went left somewhere down the line and quality-wise this is a rare miss from Sony. I'm shocked at how bad this turned out.

Based on her previous jobs, she is not the right choice for anything really

 

[Lux R7]

i hope the game will be good for anyone who wants to play it, really, but i have to express how much i hate the off-center camera in this and many other third person games.
Also this came to my mind watching this because i just finished Shadow Man remastered (i had the n64 version) which is camera perfection imho.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I don't think game will be bad, gameplay does looks very fun. However you'll really need to get past the teensy voice acting and story in order to enjoy this.
Nothing about this screams next-gen either, which would've been fine if they weren't asking for next gen hardware to run it. Price tag also turns me off from getting this any time soon.

 

[Black_Stride]

So some previews are starting to leak since it seems reviewers got their copies.

• Good gameplay.
• Combat can be challenging
• Off the beaten path chances to gain XP.
• Story starts slow but builds up.
• Not the best voice acting, with some stand outs.
• Nice sense of character progression.
• Awkward facial animations.
• Near haphazard writing that goes from great to bad to great again....
• Funny moments mostly fall flat.
• Beyond magic effects, mediocre graphics.
• Go kill that side quests.
• Go fetch that side quests.

This sounds exactly like a JRPG.
If I just described the game to you with its wins and flaws, you would say yeup thats a JRPG.
Im actually alot more hopeful after hearing the previews cuz mate I never expect Pulitzer prize writing from JRPGs and the voice acting and facial animations are always hit and miss.
But if the gameplay and actual chance to grow my character is on point, im in JRPG heaven.

Its back on my list, I just need to find a code to get this for cheap, $65 for a PC game....hmm doubt.

 

[TintoConCasera]

• Good gameplay.
• Combat can be challenging

Some poor dude tried to demonstrate the "good gameplay" on twitter and he's getting roasted. And for good reason, being able to poke a few hits on an enemy, then running away and having said enemy stand in place instead of going after the player looks like bad AI.

I dunno, maybe they've improved that for the final build, but so far I haven't seen anything that screams "good gameplay".

 

[GHG]

If there is no leggy costume to unlock the modding community have some day one work to do.

These legs being hidden is as much of a crime as DC trying to hide Wonder Womans thighs.

I came to say how shit the game looks but I'm now leaving this thread with a positive impression.

 

[OZ9000]

Game/dialogue/visuals look like absolute fucking garbage.

Who is going to buy this shit?

 

[Black_Stride]

Some poor dude tried to demonstrate the "good gameplay" on twitter and he's getting roasted. And for good reason, being able to poke a few hits on an enemy, then running away and having said enemy stand in place instead of going after the player looks like bad AI.

I dunno, maybe they've improved that for the final build, but so far I haven't seen anything that screams "good gameplay".

Being able to cheese enemies?
Dare I say being able to cheese enemies in most games is something that shouldnt be the fault of the game but the fault of the player.
i.e You played your self.
Elden Ring has so many enemies that as long as you are on torrent are easy as.
Ninja Gaiden is a masterclass in gameplay, but you can effectively izuna your way through the entire game.
If thats how you want to play go for it, but im sure there are tons of players who know they can cheese their way through, but choose skill instead.

Game/dialogue/visuals look like absolute fucking garbage.

Who is going to buy this shit?

But not for 65 dollars, so im gonna have to wait for a sale or one of these code sites to have it discounted.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Being able to cheese enemies?
Dare I say being able to cheese enemies in most games is something that shouldnt be the fault of the game but the fault of the player.
i.e You played your self.
Elden Ring has so many enemies that as long as you are on torrent are easy as.
Ninja Gaiden is a masterclass in gameplay, but you can effectively izuna your way through the entire game.
If thats how you want to play go for it, but im sure there are tons of players who know they can cheese their way through, but choose skill instead.

I disagree mate. Imo cheesing should be way harder than just running back for a bit until the enemy turns around.

And I don't think it's the player's fault at all. Being able to cheese = bad design.

 

[Punished Miku]

I was interested at a discount until that demo. Now I'm interested when it's in a deep discount.

I'm sure some people will be able to extract some enjoyment from it though. I'll root for you guys.

 

[GymWolf]

I disagree mate. Imo cheesing should be way harder than just running back for a bit until the enemy turns around.

And I don't think it's the player's fault at all. Being able to cheese = bad design.

You can cheese in the majority of games.

It's on the player to play skillfully or like a retard.

You can poke and go away in brands with certified incredible combat like monster hunter.

I replayed some of dogma in the past week, and you can cheese like a mofo in there aswell.

In infamous you can run away with the neo run.

The number of examples is too big to even start a list.

 

[clampzyn]

Jim Ryan is on fire, sheeeessh, first trash exclusive for the year for playstation! what a nice start! xbox will definitely be happy this will only be on playstation

 

[Black_Stride]

I disagree mate. Imo cheesing should be way harder than just running back for a bit until the enemy turns around.

And I don't think it's the player's fault at all. Being able to cheese = bad design.

Hit and Run strats are literally a thing in like 90% of games cept those that have enemies who regen health.

Cheesing even more so regen health or no


Ninja Gaiden.
Izuna = XYXXXXXXXXXX when the enemy is dead, XYXXXXXXX youll lock on to the next enemy rinse and repeat, even on harder diffculties.
Ninja Gaiden = bad design.


Elden Ring while on Torrent.
Ride in get hit in....run away
Ride in get hit in....run away
Elden Ring = bad design


BloodStained
Equip poison sword
Hit enemy
Run and wait for poison to wear off
Hit enemy
Run and wait for poison to wear off
BloodStained = bad design


Devil May Cry
Replay first few stages forever
Walk your way through the rest of the game
Devil may Cry = bad design


Devil May Cry vs Dante
Stand on top of pillar
Grab him everytime he tries to climb it.
One of the hardest boss battles....one button win
Devil May Cry = bad design


Octopath Traveler
Kill the sorcerer with a cleric and dancer as your first two character
Proceed to end game.
Ocotpath Traveler = bad design

Bayonetta
Equip Blades to feet slot A
Equip Bazookas to feet slot B
Fill the screen with missles
Bayonetta = bad design

Bayonetta
Having done the above^
Face boss
Fill screen with missiles
earn 10 billion rings
buy everything in the two shops
game becomes a cake walk
Bayonetta = double bad design.


I can keep going because cheesing in games is common as fuck and if it was hard to do it wouldnt be cheesing.
So if this game has enemies who you can hit and run against, thats not exactly damming against whether the gameplay is fun when you dont cheese the game.

Tell me a recent game with good game design that doesnt have any cheesing.
I can almost guarantee I will find a cheesing strat within 2 minutes.

 

[saintjules]

Welll... I guess I'm in.
It sure have its flaws, but I like the setting a lot.
I like Frey too, even with all the shittalk.

Also, it does not look great... but not bad either. Visually It tries too hard on realism I think, and reality is boring and bland.

Sounds like contradiction. You sure you want this game?

 

[T4keD0wN]

I thought id get it for the fun traversal, pretty magic combat and to test out directstorage, but those graphics, barren open world, dialogue and lip sync look too much for me to overcome. I even checked a 1080p video on twitch and only the textures and effects looked good, the rest looks like it belongs in mid 2010s. How are the system reqs so crazy? This looks worse than horizon zero dawn. Even battlefield 2042 which has way more things going on has lower cpu requirements.
I feel like this might end up being on 60% sale by summer or free on epic in 2 years.

 

[GHG]

Jim Ryan is on fire, sheeeessh, first trash exclusive for the year for playstation! what a nice start! pc and xbox will definitely be happy this will only be on playstation

Who is gonna tell him?

 

[TintoConCasera]

You can cheese in the majority of games.

It's on the player to play skillfully or like a retard.

You can poke and go away in brands with certified incredible combat like monster hunter.

I replayed some of dogma in the past week, and you can cheese like a mofo in there aswell.

In infamous you can run away with the neo run.

The number of examples is too big to even start a list.

Hit and Run strats are literally a thing in like 90% of games cept those that have enemies who regen health.

Cheesing even more so regen health or no


Ninja Gaiden.
Izuna = XYXXXXXXXXXX when the enemy is dead, XYXXXXXXX youll lock on to the next enemy rinse and repeat, even on harder diffculties.
Ninja Gaiden = bad design.


Elden Ring while on Torrent.
Ride in get hit in....run away
Ride in get hit in....run away
Elden Ring = bad design


BloodStained
Equip poison sword
Hit enemy
Run and wait for poison to wear off
Hit enemy
Run and wait for poison to wear off
BloodStained = bad design


Devil May Cry
Replay first few stages forever
Walk your way through the rest of the game
Devil may Cry = bad design


Devil May Cry vs Dante
Stand on top of pillar
Grab him everytime he tries to climb it.
One of the hardest boss battles....one button win
Devil May Cry = bad design


Octopath Traveler
Kill the sorcerer with a cleric and dancer as your first two character
Proceed to end game.
Ocotpath Traveler = bad design


I can keep going because cheesing in games is common as fuck and if it was hard to do it wouldnt be cheesing.
So if this game has enemies who you can hit and run against, thats not exactly damming against whether the gameplay is fun when you dont cheese the game.

Tell me a recent game with good game design that doesnt have any cheesing.
I can almost guarantee I will find a cheesing strat within 2 minutes.

Being some of examples of it doesn't make up for an excuse.

Like come on, do you two really see that video on the twitter post I linked before and think to yourselves "yeah this gameplay's fire".

Also yes, imo being able to do any of the shit you posted is a flaw in the design.

 

[Black_Stride]

Being some of examples of it doesn't make up for an excuse.

Like come on, do you two really see that video on the twitter post I linked before and think to yourselves "yeah this gameplay's fire".

Also yes, imo being able to do any of the shit you posted is a flaw in the design.

Well give us the games which have good game design.
If hit and run strats and cheesing immediately eliminate a game from having good game design id like you to tell me which games have good game design and gameplay.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Jim Ryan is on fire, sheeeessh, first trash exclusive for the year for playstation! what a nice start! pc and xbox will definitely be happy this will only be on playstation

Who is gonna tell him?

gladly

 

[RoboFu]

I wouldn’t.

And we have all played the demo. We don’t need impressions. We already know it is not very good.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Well give us the games which have good game design.
If hit and run strats and cheesing immediately eliminate a game from having good game design id like you to tell me which games have good game design and gameplay.

Basically any game in which the enemies are smart enough to chase you, which should be the minimum instead of a luxury.

Even then, I could forgive some games having cheese strategies if at least they are kinda hidden or hard to come by in normal (non-retarded) gameplay.
If you are fighting an enemy, you decided to turn back, and said enemy decides to turn back too instead of chasing you, then yeah, the game's combat has design flaws.

 

[Black_Stride]

Basically any game in which the enemies are smart enough to chase you, which should be the minimum instead of a luxury.

Even then, I could forgive some games having cheese strategies if at least they are kinda hidden or hard to come by in normal (non-retarded) gameplay.
If you are fighting an enemy, you decided to turn back, and said enemy decides to turn back too instead of chasing you, then yeah, the game's combat has design flaws.

Like what games?
Specifically character action and/or action rpg games that dont have cheesing and/or hit and run strats.
Theres gotta be a game youve played recently that fits your strict rules of good game design.

 

[PJX]

Of course ResetEra are currently all crying over how racist this game is because the protagonist who's black begins the game in court...

I don't give a shit for resetera but lets be honest here, it's a stereotype trope for black characters.

 

[Metnut]

Based on feedback from people who’ve actually played the game, it seems like another nondescript middle of the road JRPG.

Personally, the voice acting and characters in this are farrrrrr less cringy than Xenoblade 3 or Tales of Arise.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Like what games?
Specifically character action and/or action rpg games that dont have cheesing and/or hit and run strats.

Yeah please, lets look for a perfect game in this specific genre I want so the argument fits my narrative.

Dude, I'm not saying a game sucks ass for allowing cheese strategies. What I say is that being able to take advantage of said cheese strategies so easily as in the twitter video I posted is a clear flaw on the design.

Theres gotta be a game youve played recently that fits your strict rules of good game design.

I'm not going to look through all my library of games just for you mate. Maybe there isn't any, but guess what, that's not excuse for other games to have shit gameplay.

 

[Fabieter]

Basically any game in which the enemies are smart enough to chase you, which should be the minimum instead of a luxury.

Even then, I could forgive some games having cheese strategies if at least they are kinda hidden or hard to come by in normal (non-retarded) gameplay.
If you are fighting an enemy, you decided to turn back, and said enemy decides to turn back too instead of chasing you, then yeah, the game's combat has design flaws.

Do you like from Software games? The amount of cheese possible in that games is insane.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Do you like from Software games? The amount of cheese possible in that games is insane.

Yeah sure I like them. And yeah sure I think that's shit. As I've said many times already, it's not a excuse for other games to do the same.

 

[ANDS]

Game looks fine, and will likely look even better on PC. The only thing that is "off" to me about the intro video (and that is all that "hour of leaked gameplay") is Frey's "idle" facial modeling. It looks. . .off.

. . .as for the voicework, totally fine too. Not great, not even close to "bad" - just fine in the sense that it isn't likely to get in the way of the story they are trying to tell (or vice versa).

And we have all played the demo. We don’t need impressions. We already know it is not very good.

Sure you have.

 

[Moses85]

 

[Arun1910]

Clearly this project went left somewhere down the line and quality-wise this is a rare miss from Sony.

Not sure why this is a Sony miss? It isn't First Party.