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Wtf... Why? What are they using instead? What on Earth is the logic in this decision?
Forcing you to buy a new wheel so more money for them.
Lol. Good luck with that. No thanks Microsoft. Fuck you all the way to a horrid generation.
Hope this is not the case with the pee ez fur. I'm goin to kill them, like seriously.
I will hunt someone down if they screw this... Lol.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
And I'm sure you will be there every step of the way waiting eagerly in anticipation on how good or bad it does.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yep Fuck them to hell may the devil shit on the power brick... Lookin
Quick question then, is this something that can be corrected in a FW update of some kind? or is this hardware managed? I mean, if we threw up enough of a stink on Twitter or whatever, could they sort this out? Or is this decision now set in stone, and 360 wheels absolutely redundant for the Xbox One?
drugstore_cowboy
Member
No one was pushed, Fanatec sell on compatibility with other systems as much as Forza.
T10 never made a big deal of it at all.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
It was the best way to play Forza 4 but saying they marketed it is a bit of a stretch, mentioned it a few times yeah.
Fanatec did all the marketing.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I guess we will hear from Thomas soon. 
On Forza forums - users threatened with ban for bringing up the "F" word and statements that T10 had no input on XBONE hardware decisions.
According to this EDGE article with Dan Greenawalt, T10 was closely involved with XBONE hardware team for the last 4 years regarding architecture decisions, development etc.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/turn-10s-dan-greenawalt-on-the-making-of-xbox-one/
Thomas - hope you will soon break your silence and come to our rescue!!!
According to this EDGE article with Dan Greenawalt, T10 was closely involved with XBONE hardware team for the last 4 years regarding architecture decisions, development etc.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/turn-10s-dan-greenawalt-on-the-making-of-xbox-one/
Thomas - hope you will soon break your silence and come to our rescue!!!
http://www.forzamotorsport.net/en-US/play
I dunno, Microsoft appears to be marketing it there alongside the Kinect and the wireless wheel. I guess we can split hairs forever, but to say that MS was somehow not responsible in any way for the Forza 4 branded Fanatec wheel as a way to excuse them for making it potentially obsolete (on their hardware) two years later seems like the stretch to me.
AlanzTalon
Member
The non snarky reason is most likely they decided to use wifi direct to communicate with the new controllers, smartglass, and wireless stereo headphones. The old wheels would require too much r&d and other costs compared to the tiny install base (relatively) vs. building new ones from scratch around the new protocol.
These are only launch accessories (and damn impressive taken on their own for a console launch) so who knows what fanatic has going on behind the scenes. But I find this faux shocked reaction pretty unbelievable.
i dont know that many here are shocked, this was expected for a number of reasons, but its still a kick in the balls.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Of course they are, you won't even be able to voice chat with XBox 360 gamers with the XBox One. This is usually the case when going to new consoles. Of course it's a bonus when things are backwards compatible but it's no surprise to me when it isn't.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
What do you think this thing will do?
Binder ID detection indicator light?
AlanzTalon
Member
Oh, yeah it sucks, these are expensive toys. But that's how this game goes. New gen, new ways to part with your dollars.
AlanzTalon
Member
Some about how the kinect can see the controller? Player switching?
What do you think this thing will do?
Binder ID detection indicator light?
not sure how PCs have been doing it with the same stuff. playstation too for the most part.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
The way they are touting the MadCatz and Thrustmaster wheels makes me wonder if Fanatec have just been completely frozen out. That's why I'm interested in hearing from Thomas. Hopefully he'll put a blog up soon.
Yes, it's so Kinect knows who the player is.
In theory it means you could switch between wheel in-game and controller in menu.
In theory.
Yes, it's so Kinect knows who the player is.
In theory it means you could switch between wheel in-game and controller in menu.
In theory.
What do you think this thing will do?
Binder ID detection indicator light?
It is just an infrared light source that allows kinect to know which person is using which controller. Normal xbox one controllers have the same thing. So basically, it is nothing unique to the wheel, but rather a feature that all xbox one controller peripherals will have.
Mascot, it's all your fault!
Why didn't you use your connections to get this sorted out?
It was a good run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtivSTZrezc
$1000 Fanatec setup, I salute you..
Why didn't you use your connections to get this sorted out?
It was a good run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtivSTZrezc
$1000 Fanatec setup, I salute you..
I did try mate, but every time I raised it with Dan he'd put his fingers in his ears and go "la la la la laaaaa..." or start talking about his bowling score. One time he pretended to faint and just lay there on the floor for fifteen minutes. I could see him watching me through one eye until I eventually got bored and left.
It's sad to finally get confirmation about something we've suspected for months, but every cloud has a silver lining. If Fanatec WAS compatible with Xbone then I'd be £500 out of pocket for an overpriced and underpowered motion-controlled set-top box that, to be honest, has very little appeal to me. And all to play one game that seems to be next-gen's best-kept secret.
Dodged a bullet there.
lol
Yeah, I don't know what to do here.
The Xbox One doesn't appeal to me either save for Forza. I know, a console for one game?
But that game has legs. It's not like a shooter where you finish the story and move on.
I would be playing it for a very long time so it sort of makes sense for me.
Regarding the new wheels, they could've at least showed us an in depth preview of these two wheels in action. Show us the add ons available. Talk about pricing and availability.
Aaaggghh!!
I'm definitely out for now, but will re-evaluate the situation in a couple of years when:
- FM6 should be imminent, with weather, night, and everything else that wasn't possible in a rushed launch game
- The Xbone possibly comes standalone without Kinect tax
- The price has likely dropped
- A dongle or firmware update allows my Fanatec rig to hopefully work
- There's a rich back-catalogue of other games available, all at cheap prices
This all assumes that the Xbone (and whole Xbox brand) hasn't crashed and burned by then like some next-gen Dreamcast.
Lol, you gave me a fright there. I thought I'd been banned!
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Two more AWD Forza 4 cars in the homespace then.
Did I? Apologies if so. No offence was meant.
A few months ago, pre-E3, then yes. My hopes for FM5 were much higher then. I'm not sure what shape FM5 will be in at launch, and I'm certainly not going to gamble £500 on it.
What seems to be emerging is that FM5 should NEVER have been a launch title unless it was treated like a GT Prologue version (which it might actually end up being, but with a price that suggests otherwise). The whole undertaking seems to have been too ambitious in the timescale allowed.
eso76
Member
look, i think T10 is doing a TERRIBLE job at advertising their work, but luckily for them hands on and leaks tell us they're serious about improving simulation aspects of the game.
I mean, even the fact cracks on windshileld are now visible in cockpit view is something T10 should be advertising.
They should be releasing videos showcasing new physics. Slow motion closeups of cars bouncing on curbs, for example.
Videos showcasing laser scanned tracks, comparisons with real life counterparts showing the accuracy.
They're doing nothing to tell the world they've been working their asses off, but like i said, thankfully for them, there's hands on and leaks telling us otherwise.
my opinion in this is that it is unfair to call what t10 is doing a half-assed affair.
all the people that tried the new physics, they came back with exactly the same comment: "NEW PHYSICS"
so, this alone, for me, breaks every shadow of doubt that this might be or might not be a half-assed effort.
they could just go for the graphics update, if that was their case. after all, this is what everybody ..actually sees!
and you know what? going only for graphics upgrade would make their lives A LOT easier. focus your total resources on one single thing, (pretty graphics) and do it.
the fact that they are going for what they are going speaks volumes to me.
they could just go with f4 physics, and who the fuck would complain?
just me and maybe 10 other guys...
you want to add the laser scanned tracks as an indication for the same thing? you might as well add that.
now, that being said, MICROSOFT sure fucked up a lot of things, and alienated a whole bunch of people. this is their fault, and they will be "punished" for it.
the fact that t10 belongs to microsoft, this is the only thing i dont like here, but what can you do...
maybe someday t10 will pull a bungie, and then the world will be a little more better.
until then.... everyone has some decisions to make..
all the people that tried the new physics, they came back with exactly the same comment: "NEW PHYSICS"
so, this alone, for me, breaks every shadow of doubt that this might be or might not be a half-assed effort.
they could just go for the graphics update, if that was their case. after all, this is what everybody ..actually sees!
and you know what? going only for graphics upgrade would make their lives A LOT easier. focus your total resources on one single thing, (pretty graphics) and do it.
the fact that they are going for what they are going speaks volumes to me.
they could just go with f4 physics, and who the fuck would complain?
just me and maybe 10 other guys...
you want to add the laser scanned tracks as an indication for the same thing? you might as well add that.
now, that being said, MICROSOFT sure fucked up a lot of things, and alienated a whole bunch of people. this is their fault, and they will be "punished" for it.
the fact that t10 belongs to microsoft, this is the only thing i dont like here, but what can you do...
maybe someday t10 will pull a bungie, and then the world will be a little more better.
until then.... everyone has some decisions to make..
I agree about telling the world.
FM4's audio had some great ideas. Things like:
Changing cams changes idle sound
Removing weight in cabin resulted in a louder cockpit
BOV's changed when upgrades were applied
Backfires became prevalent when cams were upgraded
DSP became pronounced when exhausts were upgraded
..etc
A lot of these things were not known to people, even though they've been playing forever.
You generate a lot more awareness and hype by being proud of your work and telling the world about it..
Perhaps in the next 6 weeks we'll be seeing stuff like that?
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Hopefully some of those making-of behind the scenes videos will make an appearance along with new footage.
I didn't say 'half-assed'. I said 'too ambitious'. There is a BIG difference. 'Half-assed' implies apathy which is certainly not the case. I said 'too ambitious' because Turn 10 seem (based on what we've seen so far, and perhaps more importantly - what we haven't seen) to have bitten off more than they can chew in the time frame allowed. I imagine the pressure from Microsoft to deliver a AAA launch title is immense, and probably not something that Turn 10 would have signed up for, given the choice.
eso76
Member
there's still time for that, obviously.
But this is not a regular release, this is a launch game. People need to preoder the console if they want to play this before christmas. Unless it's not too late already.
I don't care, i'll be playing fm5 on nov 22nd regardless, i'm just frustrated at the fact T10 is failing to effectively communicate the fact they've been working on much more than cloud opponents and car paint shaders.
Didn't Dan say that they've been working on FM5 for 4 years?
theignoramus
Member
Is it really how "the game goes" or is it how the game goes with MS on their xbox platform.
anyway, Im glad Im a controller guy, this news doesnt upset me.
Dan says a lot of things.
no worries mascot...
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my thinking is similiar to p3trans. the things i care for have evolved. tracks and physics. i tested the game at GC and was amazed and that with just 5 available cars on 1 track. never had the feeling this is fm4. so having all tracks and cars will do fine for me. NS, spa and bathurst is enough to keep me entertained for years.
and of course i'd like to see more videos like polyphony does. but at the end, i hope they put their ressources into maxing out their possibilities for fm5 rather than doing some vids, which are useless to me after release. yes i am aware that marketing folks at t10 arent their devs. but they seem to be involved in top gear and bathurst stuff at the moment. so i am calling patience.
nothing so far lets me think, that fm5 is going to be something rushed and unfinished. or lets say, i dont think its going to be worse than in releases before. if they wont cut custom lobbies or rivals (which they wont), i ll be able to have at least two years of fun until fm6.
as a wheel driver i never expected them to support my fanatec stuff. the day i bought the rig i knew it wont go into the new gen. sure, it would have been amazing if they did so! but i am sticking to the same plan as before: waiting for a csr elite which is compatible to all systems and sell my current rig.
sonys ps3 was a great example of how to do it, but sadly it was naive to think ms would go that way.
btw, this time it wont hurt me so bad to play fm5 with the controller until i am able to buy a proper wheel. i love the triggers!
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and as always i ll make my conclusion after racing for a while at home. everything else will just make me insane. it wont do me any good if i start to make assumptions now based on videos and interviews. to much room for interpretation, especially regarding something that is WIP
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my thinking is similiar to p3trans. the things i care for have evolved. tracks and physics. i tested the game at GC and was amazed and that with just 5 available cars on 1 track. never had the feeling this is fm4. so having all tracks and cars will do fine for me. NS, spa and bathurst is enough to keep me entertained for years.
and of course i'd like to see more videos like polyphony does. but at the end, i hope they put their ressources into maxing out their possibilities for fm5 rather than doing some vids, which are useless to me after release. yes i am aware that marketing folks at t10 arent their devs. but they seem to be involved in top gear and bathurst stuff at the moment. so i am calling patience.
nothing so far lets me think, that fm5 is going to be something rushed and unfinished. or lets say, i dont think its going to be worse than in releases before. if they wont cut custom lobbies or rivals (which they wont), i ll be able to have at least two years of fun until fm6.
as a wheel driver i never expected them to support my fanatec stuff. the day i bought the rig i knew it wont go into the new gen. sure, it would have been amazing if they did so! but i am sticking to the same plan as before: waiting for a csr elite which is compatible to all systems and sell my current rig.
sonys ps3 was a great example of how to do it, but sadly it was naive to think ms would go that way.
btw, this time it wont hurt me so bad to play fm5 with the controller until i am able to buy a proper wheel. i love the triggers!
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and as always i ll make my conclusion after racing for a while at home. everything else will just make me insane. it wont do me any good if i start to make assumptions now based on videos and interviews. to much room for interpretation, especially regarding something that is WIP
I said "half-assed", because I've been browsing other topics too.
but, you calling forza 5 = gt prologue is more or less the same
of course, there is no way any of us can exactly predict the shape of forza 5 at launch,
but we might say that 1080p/60hz new physics-enhanced graphics-enhanced sound-laser scanned tracks are a safe bet.
and in content it will most probably at least match horizon. plus the 100% probability that game will be enhanced in content after launch via dlc.
so I'd say that from where I'm standing it looks like a pretty damn good shape.
in my opinion, out of every single day 1 nextgen game in any platform -and all multiplatforms included, forza 5 will be the very best way to kick off the fuckin'generation.
but as I said, more things are brought into the equation this time..
you have to buy a machine for it, a machine that was not announced with the best of intentions and does not contain the best of hardware. you have to buy a wheel for it, even though you just did exactly this thing less than a year ago. the parent company sucks balls and yada yada you know the rest.
thats why I said we all got some decisions to make. 8)
but hate the game (microsoft), not the player (t10)
soundscream
Member
Don't think thats possible. Bungie was an independent company that was acquired by MS, Turn 10 was built from the ground up by MS.maybe someday t10 will pull a bungie, and then the world will be a little more better.
until then.... everyone has some decisions to make..
You could have defections of key staff i.e. Respawn from IW but I don't even see that happening.