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Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...
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evil_as_skeletor
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Dat tree ;-(p3tran said:ps. I like the beamer
Something something sore thumb...
Beemer and drift smoke looks good though!
(although, this isn't the greatest example of tyre smoke though - puff puff).
Risk Breaker
Member
Hyoushi said:
Hehe. Damn, the doods who model the rims take a lot of shortcuts by reusing the front rims for the rears even in the cases where they are clearly asymmetrical on the real cars, such as this Zonda R, the F50, the Enzo and so forth.
The nose is baaaaaaaad as well.
eso76
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Betta Lines
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Because they make their games roughly four times faster than Polyphony.Sethos said:
bloodforge
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Risk Breaker said:
Looks like an FOV thing.
brotkasten
Member
Quality > Quantity?Pazuzu9 said:
Not that I want to wait 5 years for a new Forza, but a year more of dev time wouldn't hurt.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Sethos said:
Churning out great games, yes. Most of the art is outsourced, just as it is in many other games these days, you'll just have to deal with it. If Forza starts selling as much as GT, maybe they'll be able to afford bigger budgets and more in-house asset work.
Fortinbras
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eso76 said:
I really don't like what the did with the track.
Sethos said:
People need to accept that they can't have everything. Either wait two years and get a great game with some flaws or wait five years to get the other game with just as many flaws.
ResidentDante
Member
Me neither, it just looks like a track floating in air infront of a impressive backdrop down the first hill.Fortinbras said:
brotkasten
Member
Not that surprising.Sethos said:
Sethos said:
There are several reasons for the flaws
1. LEgacy models that they don't have time to fix..
2. The model/data may be supplied electronically and incorrect
3. The outsourcing quality is poor
4. The car is a different spec or regionally different to the real world pictures supplied..
To say 'so many models are flawed' is just over-reacting, but of course there are some cars that aren't quite right.. I hope they work with their outsourcing partners to get these things addressed for new cars, but you seem to be just over-reacting and flying off the handle on this one.
The Zonda wheels are a bit laughable, but with that angle and FOV, it's hard for me to see what is wrong (other then the wheels), and obviously it's a different glossy painted version (Which I've found on google images).. give us a nice profile shot etc and then start pointing and laughing etc..
ResidentDante
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I think so and I wonder if he follows your head movement with Kinect?derFeef said:
SPEEDxNASTY
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CrudeDiatribe
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I saw a comment on the fm.net forums that only Turn 10 devs have access to the big shot system right now.nofi said:
brotkasten
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They didn't bother to translate all the information and graphs in AV? That's lame.saladine1 said:
Snubbers said:
Yeah but Zonda and Enzo are key cars, fucking up the supercars is kind of inexcusable, considering the Enzo nose and copy pasta wheels were brought to their attention each time and still no fixes. It's not a deal breaker for me or anything but it would be nice if they listened more to the community on at least some issues.
Slayer-33
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Cars aren't the only thing that defines FM's quality.Sethos said:
How about the engine sounds or what we can expect from the new ui and livery editors and track detail (and accuracy for a good portion of them)
Pretty high quality stuff across the board overall, what T10 should really focus on next is on accuracy/little details better. They need to be more demanding with the outsourced contracted modelers, they are getting the rest of the game stuff down to very impressive levels with each new version of the franchise.
Betta Lines
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Wat.commedieu said:
I'm not offering an excuse. I'm offering what strikes me as the only reason why this would be happening. A biased GT fan might say it's because PD simply have better modellers, but I didn't want to suggest that. There are more than enough excellent models in Forza to show they have the talent. So surely the only reason this is happening is because they work much faster than PD.Sethos said:
[edit] they outsource? oh... well that'll be why then. Ignore everything I just said.
brotkasten
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Pretty much. Nobody cars if the wipers of a Prius are not accurate, but screwing the proportions and details of superscars up? That shouldn't happen.supersaw said:
Dan, you'll never turn car lovers into gamers, if you don't treat them with respect.
It sort of makes you wonder if it would really be that difficult for them to tweak the models they get back from outsourcing, if that is indeed the problem.Slayer-33 said:
Do we know (for example) how the Enzo was done? I would've thought something like that would be personally done by T10 themselves.
So any obvious problems you'd think they'd clean up pretty quickly (if they noticed). Makes you wonder how the obvious ones "got through" from 3 and onto 4.saladine1 said:
Mind you, I'm not knowledgable enough to have known about the issues with the Zonda and Enzo without this thread, but someone even remotely more into cars than I should know.
Perhaps nobody at T10 realised they needed tweaking? Although the details that are incorrect are very important, they are small details that only car nuts really notice. Having said that, I'd assume that the makers of Forza are car nuts?Shaneus said:
Dunno but I bet they can / will tweak certain aspects in the future. Certainly those Zonda rear wheels need changing.
Steve McQueen
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Arucardo said:Pre-ordered LCE...again. This time for a bit cheaper though, 60eur is not a bad price for it.
That's a nice price. Where did you pre-order?
brotkasten
Member
It's probably still faster around the track than those monsters. Because, you know, corners ...Slayer-33 said:
Shaneus said:
We know how Rabcat is the company that modeled F50 for example. Check their full-portfolio to see breakdown of all their assets done for FM3 (and almost certainly used for FM4), with description of manpower and manhours invested.
Also, everything we know implies how T10 probably doesn't actually model anything by themselves. So far we have detected 5 outsource companies that are specialized for both cars and tracks asset-production and T10 is probably only responsible for final supervision.
Notice if you search those companies sites you can find much information about actual percentage of the content doe for FM3 for example.
Of course, we can't know anything for regarding how much asset-production is actually done by T10, but some Credits and Copyright list on the game will probably put some light on this matter. Also, worth noticing is how Valkyrie Entertainment, Glass Egg Digital Media and Dhruva Interactive are working with T10 on Forza series from the very first game.
It's only going to be the absolute minority who can point out the flaws, but they are flaws nevertheless.Shaneus said:
It's strange though, because i've been told by these same employees that Turn 10 actually hire guys who are crazy nutjobs about cars. They are hired for their expertise in all matters of performance figures, history,details..etc, anything to do with cars, these guys are supposed to know about it so again, little things like deep dish rears should've been picked up....
flyinpiranha
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Sethos said:
I don't know, it's highly disappointing though, I cancelled my LE pre-order and am selling my setup. I can't support this kind of lazy development.
Hyoushi said:
Clearnance! To the proofreadingmobile, Batman!
Nah man, it's supposed to be Clearnance, It's a special kind of clearance only allocated to Hummers!
Betta Lines
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Serious? Seems like a slight overreaction... it's still gonna be a decent game...flyinpiranha said: