GAF, we need to start a campaign for no used games/no DRM on the Xbox One

I'll do this. We need to get to the bottom of this. Even better if we can expose companies like EA who probably push for this kind of BS in the first place.
 
Even if, like me, you have no interest in the Xbox One, you ought to have an interest in this campaign.

If this kind of drm succeeds, we are all fucked.
 
Yagharek said:
Even if, like me, you have no interest in the Xbox One, you ought to have an interest in this campaign.

If this kind of drm succeeds, we are all fucked.
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Yep. I signed up to twitter just for this and the PS4 campaign.

We really need to focus more attention on MS, they are the only ones attempting this after all.

As far as we know.
 
I think (well know) that there are a lot more Sony fans out there. Microsoft still said they are thinking about their policy on used games. But most people just sent hate there way. Its just a fact. Playstation has more passionate fans (as the Sony execs have said themselves). Although i have to ask if this is supposed to be about gamers and consumer rights. Then why only focus on Sony?

I do not think one console will have DRM without the other. And the tweets should all be joined together against both companies and not just focused on one. I think some of the support is just because of the console warz unfortunately and a lot of the tweets on #ps4nodrm are just bashing the Xbone. Just my 2 cents. And my first post on Neogaf!
 
MS i and many other true gamers are with you.Please dont dump this idea its a good idea indeed. Just remove kinect and we will be happy.
 
m0dus said:
I think people need a bit of perspective here. As playstation fans, it is in our best interest to support all aspects of this cause. If MS's business practice gains universal acceptance and proves to be any measure of success, you will see other companies adopt it over time, due to pressure from publishers if not anything else. while it may be effective on one hand, Simply "voting with your wallet" is not proactive. Speak up.

So, I would encourage people to leave their fanboy leanings at the door--like a political issue, this affects you, whether you are invested in the platform or not.

If Microsoft's mixed messages and muddled responses prove anything, it's that this policy is NOT yet finalized or written in stone. We know there is a measure of conflict within the company regarding the issue of online checks and the like, so now is the time to capitalize on that.

I've cast my support for all four hash tags at this point, and on FB. Hopefully, is will continue to gain momentum as an industry-wide movement, not one limited to a single company's policies.
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Well said. Equal pressure needs to be applied to both. Saying that, I think more needs to be piled on MS as they are the ones attempting to make this happen and they can thanks to their resources and providing infrastructure to make it work.
 
As with Sony, I did my part an tweeted Microsoft even though my hope for this to work out is small compared to the Sony situation.
 
A similar campaing should be start against digital formats instead physical ones.
The digital future is the end for the gamers' independence.
 
lightlamp4 said:
All consoles. So if the PS4 does abandon DRM it will certainly be interesting in how publishers react to it.
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Interesting, that at least shows that Sony had told EA that DRM on the PS4 might be a possibility doesn't it?

If the PS4 doesn't have DRM due to the PR clusterfuck that Microsoft has got and that the Xbox One DRM decision is reversed, what does EA do?
 
Deaf Spacker said:
Interesting, that at least shows that Sony had told EA that DRM on the PS4 might be a possibility doesn't it?

If the PS4 doesn't have DRM due to the PR clusterfuck that Microsoft has got and that the Xbox One DRM decision is reversed, what does EA do?
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They will just have to deal with it. Simple
 
Just curious - if the concept of tying account to ownership of a game is also useful as an anti-piracy measure, how would you propose to combat piracy? (up until today basically all methods that don't rely upon online connection have failed) The letters from people like go-freak are well reasoned in aspects of marketplace dynamics but still fail to solve that problem.

Remember that Steam or Origin also ties account ownership to games even ones you can buy a physical copy of...it is not really a crazy or new idea in itself. In fact it is pretty well established - buy Diablo 3, you are signing into battle.net to play, no question about it (even if you just want to solo like I did, I never played even a second of multiplayer)

It is interesting to hear people have different opinions about piracy today than something like 20 years ago or 25 years ago...back then it was more like China is now, "What, we have to pay for software? You have to be freaking kidding me!" - China will probably change in a very painful process where users start to be blocked out of popular software and will probably freak out in an even louder way...This is just my speculation - I have to assume the govt there would prefer to have control over what is going on instead of people being able to install whatever software they are able to find.

Is piracy the only or main reason for this sort of online DRM? Of course not, I just think it is one of the factors you need to think about to see the big picture and argue against it.
 
Bump - I've been quite proactive in the Sony campaign, but like others have said, it's in our best interests that both companies hear these wishes and act on them.
 
Baleoce said:
Bump - I've been quite proactive in the Sony campaign, but like others have said, it's in our best interests that both companies hear these wishes and act on them.
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Indeed.

The lack of activity in here is both depressing and somewhat shocking. For all the complaining about consumer rights being eroded away, people don't seem to care enough to show MS just how disgusted they are and to pressure them to change course.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Indeed.

The lack of activity in here is both depressing and somewhat shocking. For all the complaining about consumer rights being eroded away, people don't seem to care enough to show MS just how disgusted they are and to pressure them to change course.
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Depressing? Yes. Shocking? No.
 
godelsmetric said:
Depressing? Yes. Shocking? No.
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Why?

Given the number of posts complaining about it, it seems those same people don't care enough to show their anger beyond a forum post that won't make any difference.

This is pretty shocking to me. Moaning that consumer rights are being eroded but not doing anything about it...
 
I sent this thread to a friend at MS... he just laughed. You cannot change the Kinect or online stuff for the Xbone, as they are INTEGRAL to the entire design. The used games is a touchy issue, but they seem to believe working with Gamestop and such is just fine.

Didn't really expect otherwise, but get ready for the age of DRM.
 
So it seems there's quite a few people that think there wont be used games for the Xbox.

Its probably hard to take complaints seriously when half of them show signs of being misinformed.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Why?

Given the number of posts complaining about it, it seems those same people don't care enough to show their anger beyond a forum post that won't make any difference.

This is pretty shocking to me. Moaning that consumer rights are being eroded but not doing anything about it...
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It's not shocking because the overwhelming majority only care about consumer rights in any situation if they think it will be something that affects them. Why would this be any different? The majority of people who are tweeting Sony have already decided not to buy an Xbone and are just trying to protect their future game purchases.

For what it's worth, I set up a Twitter account just so I could tweet them. I don't think it will have any effect though.
 
godelsmetric said:
It's not shocking because the overwhelming majority only care about consumer rights in any situation if they think it will be something that affects them. Why would this be any different? The majority of people who are tweeting Sony have already decided not to buy an Xbone and are just trying to protect their future game purchases.

For what it's worth, I set up a Twitter account just so I could tweet them. I don't think it will have any effect though.
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Jesus, so it really is coming down to console warriors. Never thought I'd see the day where anti consumer practices were accepted so long as they didn't affect someone's console of choice at the time of purchasing. Do they not realise that it will eventually happen across the board if all attempts to implement it aren't fought against now? Are they really that blind to its inevitability?

Bah.

Anyway, I also did the same, as pointless as it might be, at least we're getting our message out there.
 
Come on, you're being disingenuous. People barely care about human rights until it directly affects them, what do you think they're going to do about consumer rights if they think it doesn't?
 
godelsmetric said:
Come on, you're being disingenuous. People barely care about human rights until it directly affects them, what do you think they're going to do about consumer rights if they think it doesn't?
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I guess the amount of complaining, etc fooled me into thinking people actually cared about this beyond the standard console warrior fare.

Stupid of me to hope that people would see beyond their own interests and see the bigger picture and how if this wasn't fought on all fronts now, it would eventually become the norm no matter how bad the backlash might be next time.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Why?

Given the number of posts complaining about it, it seems those same people don't care enough to show their anger beyond a forum post that won't make any difference.

This is pretty shocking to me. Moaning that consumer rights are being eroded but not doing anything about it...
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Ms are a lost cause. They have set out their stall and they aren't for changing it.
 
Maximilian Kolbe said:
It looks like almost no one think MS will change anymore
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Indeed. Almost as if people want them to implement the DRM thinking it will stay exclusive to One, not realising how even its moderate success will change the entire console gaming landscape forever.

also strange considering they changed their online requirements after the Orth backlash.
 
I feel far far far more cynical about this campaign having any influence, but shit, why not.

I'll tweet them once or twice a day.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Indeed. Almost as if people want them to implement the DRM thinking it will stay exclusive to One, not realising how even its moderate success will change the entire console gaming landscape forever.

also strange considering they changed their online requirements after the Orth backlash.
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I'm not even surprised if some 3rd publishers give X1 some big benefit if only them choose stay this policy
Because i think these DRM and used games policy thing is 3rd publishers give MS and Sony pressure to do that.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Indeed. Almost as if people want them to implement the DRM thinking it will stay exclusive to One, not realising how even its moderate success will change the entire console gaming landscape forever.

also strange considering they changed their online requirements after the Orth backlash.
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I'm well aware of the implications and have been voicing my discontent with this policy since it became a rumour.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
Indeed. Almost as if people want them to implement the DRM thinking it will stay exclusive to One, not realising how even its moderate success will change the entire console gaming landscape forever.

also strange considering they changed their online requirements after the Orth backlash.
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I just don't think that change will be negative. Steam and account based game access rights haven't hurt me. Similar models on my phone haven't. XBLA games worked great... I just don't see why I should be worked up over this.
 
Sir Fragula said:
I just don't think that change will be negative. Steam and account based game access rights haven't hurt me. Similar models on my phone haven't. XBLA games worked great... I just don't see why I should be worked up over this.
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You can't really believe those examples are comparable to what MS are attempting to do?
 
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