GAF, we need to start a campaign for no used games/no DRM on the Xbox One
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hydrophilic attack
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Even though I am more of a Playstation fan than an Xbox fan, I went ahead and did my part.
Xboners, Sony-ponys, we are all gamers! We should all unite for our consumer rights!
Xboners, Sony-ponys, we are all gamers! We should all unite for our consumer rights!
HigherLevel
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As far as I know there isn't a deal with EA. Only thing I know of is the rumor that Respawn's new shooter published by EA through their soon to be defunct partners program is Xbox exclusive.
You are reading it wrong. The games will still have a fee but MS is dictating it and the used game shop will pay it (like in saying every used game needs to cost 35$ with a fee of every purchase to MS to allow for the purchase) MS should have no hands in the used game sales at all.
Yup. Its just MS trying to pretty up their statement, but it stays the same.
Plus that too.
Who the heck do you think is going to pay the fee? You will with lesser trade in value.
Flame Lord
Member
But the current rumored system theyll have in place has a high chance of raising the price of used games/lowering the value of trade ins.
PLUS, the system still prevents trading between friends and family without having to purchase multiple copies.
The huge presence of EA and their sports titles at the press conference makes me think otherwise but I guess we will see.
Either way, this twitter campaign cant hurt.
Delusibeta
Banned
That's because the retailers will pay that used game fee and pass it on to consumers in the form of a higher price tag. Unless, of course, you're dealing with an unapproved retailer in which case you'll have to pay full price on Xbox Live.
hydrophilic attack
Member
You do realize it doesn't matter whether we or Gamestop are the ones transferring money to Microsofts accounts?
If Gamestop has to pay X dollars for every used game sale, that cost would be moved to the customers.
#Economics101
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Or lower trade in values more likely.
. That $35 thing was a mistake. People are over reacting without knowing the actual details. And even with what we know, It's the same as it was. We can trade in games like before
BrokenEchelon
Banned
And sell them to your friends? (You can't)
And sell them on Ebay? (You can't)
Amazon Marketplace? Nope. Lend them to friends? Nope. Give them to your siblings or cousins or whatever? Nope.
Winterfang
Banned
People are complaining about the check up I believe.
Woffls
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So I don't need to connect my XBO to the internet every day any more? Cool, crisis over. Can't wait for E3.
DontHateTheBacon
Banned
It's not Sony/Microsoft... it's the publishers pushing for it behind the scenes.
. I run my own business I understand economics. I also understand the publishers need to make a couple bucks on used games. A month ago we were worried they won't allow used at all, they strike a deal to give publishers a dollar or two from a used sale and people are freaking out.
Cheesemeister
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Save some characters.
#XB1NoDRM
#XB1UsedGames
#XB1RegionFree
#XB1NoDRM
#XB1UsedGames
#XB1RegionFree
swordsman720
Banned
As a big Xbox fan, I doubt MS will alter their plan. Windows 8 without Start button is one good example how stubborn MS is/was. They will change the plan if this function backlashes them a lot. See Windows 8.1 >>Start button will be back.
PJV3
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If people over react you won't lose anything, The console will launch and it will all blow over.
It's a good thing.
Neuromancer
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This doesn't change the 24 hour Internet check so MS can decide whether to let you keep playing your games or not.
Can I ask why you would not want to connect to the internet for more than a day?
OKay! Let's do this! Who to tweet?
Phil Spencer @XboxP3
https://twitter.com/XboxP3
Doesn't need presentations. The guy him self.
Yusuf Mehdi @@yusuf_i_mehdi
https://twitter.com/yusuf_i_mehdi
CVP, Marketing & Strategy, XBOX / Interactive Entertainment Microsoft
Larry Hryb aka. Major Nelson
https://twitter.com/majornelson
Working on the Xbox team since 2003, do what PR give to him forth and back
Stephen Toulouse @Stepto
https://twitter.com/Stepto
Former Xbox LIVE Director of Enforcement
Graeme Boyd @AceyBongos
https://twitter.com/AceyBongos
Social Marketing Manager, Xbox EMEA.
Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg
Chief of Staff for Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft
And tweet them, spam with the same message if out of creativity, copy more of two of them on the same tweet.
OP, could you kindly update with these?
Phil Spencer @XboxP3
https://twitter.com/XboxP3
Doesn't need presentations. The guy him self.
Yusuf Mehdi @@yusuf_i_mehdi
https://twitter.com/yusuf_i_mehdi
CVP, Marketing & Strategy, XBOX / Interactive Entertainment Microsoft
Larry Hryb aka. Major Nelson
https://twitter.com/majornelson
Working on the Xbox team since 2003, do what PR give to him forth and back
Stephen Toulouse @Stepto
https://twitter.com/Stepto
Former Xbox LIVE Director of Enforcement
Graeme Boyd @AceyBongos
https://twitter.com/AceyBongos
Social Marketing Manager, Xbox EMEA.
Aaron Greenberg @aarongreenberg
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg
Chief of Staff for Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft
And tweet them, spam with the same message if out of creativity, copy more of two of them on the same tweet.
OP, could you kindly update with these?
how else do you expect to be able to play without having to deal with discs in the machine and not have people sharing the same disc to play in 100 differrnt machines under one purchase price?
There is no question about that. I bet EA and Activision are at the forefront of it.
I tweeted slight variations of the same message basically. Not good with the Spam thing.
Miles Quaritch
Member
They backtracked on always online. Insiders who post here recently suggested the initial requirement was 3minutes but was changed to 24hrs after the backlash towards Orth.
If that can be replicated and for long enough and if Sony come out and say they won't feature any anti used games DRM, the pressure on MS will be considerable, enough maybe to make them change course.
I'd have thought anyone serious about getting rid of DRM would tweet to Sony and MS..
There is always a chance that if MS keep DRM quite tight, Sony have the opportunity to do the same..
But to see people actively not doing it as they want MS to die shows how well thought out their loyalties are..
There is always a chance that if MS keep DRM quite tight, Sony have the opportunity to do the same..
But to see people actively not doing it as they want MS to die shows how well thought out their loyalties are..
It would probably be too late for Sony too if they've already implemented the feature into the console. These features don't seem like something that is just slapped on a month or two before the console ships.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Require Internet if you want to play without the disc, but not if you are playing with the disc?
#noshitsherlock
Woffls
Member
Want? Some days I just can't. I went the entire year without internet in my flat last year because the freeholder was being a dick. No way around it. I'm between flats a lot, and I have no idea if the internet will be good, or if I can even get wifi signal in such old properties. Right now my PS3 and hifi can't get a wifi signal because of these stupid thick walls. I don't want all my gaming experience to be even slightly dependant on the internet, and it's as simple as that for me.
But it's not the check-in that's the biggest problem, it's Microsoft implying that the "cloud" will improve the gaming experience. Well, if I can't access their servers, I'm getting an inferior experience.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Yea or lending. If that's the new "revised" plan it makes even less sense to have the authentication check or tied to the account. What is it authenticating? Why does it even need it? If you want a tax on the major used game retailers why does it need to have any online checks/user ties? All that could be done with the very simple strategy
1) disc is installed on hard drive but needs disc in console to start (like 360 installs today). Games can be loaned, sold, etc
2) If you don't want to have the disc check then you have the option of enabling the 24 hour online authentication tied to the account through a menu (similar to the optional install now)
There done. MS/Publishers can tax the Gamestops of the world, ebay and private selling is left alone, and game lending is as it should be.
Or even easier just leave it as its always been with used games.
theviolenthero
Member
This is just a rumor. In the case of no internet connection the Xbox One will function just like the 360. To play a game off the hard-drive you will need to have the disc in the drive to authenticate it.
EDIT: What i typed is a rumor, not what you typed.
we.are.the.armada
Member
I did my part and tweeted to Spencer and Harrison #XboxOneNoDRM! Let them know what we think, XBONE deserves better.
Nice
Nice
Hey I was just about to post this. You'd think it would be in the best interests of everyone tweeting Sony to also tweet Microsoft, but when push comes to shove in this situation you see that it's really nothing to do with civil liberties and everything to do with Console Warz.
isn´t that just a retweet of their initial stand..? like "We can´t tell you know, but we will tell you what we have planned later".. ?
RpgN
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You seem to miss an important word in all your posts: choice.
Nothing should be mandatory or forced to reach a certain standard. It´s nice if people are given A CHOICE to play games without swapping discs around without forced installs. It´s nice when people are given a CHOICE to use all this cloud nonsense without a forced online connectivity every 24 hours.
You will support it because now you get to have money you didn't had before!
damn. That sucks. Sorry to hear that
its really inexcusable in this day and age. Internet infrastructure really need to be improved in many areas
Delusibeta
Banned
It was a mistake: it's actually £35, or $50.
Always-honest
Banned
Oh right, MS has a gamebox too.. Forgot all about it.....
It's not my biggest gripe amongst many many gripes i have with the Xbone but it is one of the big gripes.
It's not my biggest gripe amongst many many gripes i have with the Xbone but it is one of the big gripes.
Sola Scriptura
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The ultimate campaign move: refusing to buy an Xbox One.
Done!
Done!
I posted this in the other thread, I'm sure it won't dissuade anyone. But let's get real.
Resellers like Gamestop are getting all of the revenue generated from the re-sale of games, sometimes they sell the same game multiple times.
The people that make the game feel as though they are getting shafted because their game is being purchased many times over, but none of the money is going to them.
I'm certain the publishers and developers have been heavily lobbying Sony and MS for a very long time for a solution that would give them a cut of that missing revenue - because resellers will not give out money from the resells willingly. Given how surprised gamestop was at the word of DRM, I'm guessing any kind of negotiation with resellers for a cut of the revenue did not go anywhere.
One of a few things could happen:
1. The fee for activating a used game is so high that buying a used game makes no sense.
2. The fee for activating a used game is low (ie. 5-10bucks), which would force resellers to lower their resell price to adjust for the online activation fee.
3. The threat of options 1 and 2 force resellers to give a % of revenue generated from preowned titles to publishers/developers.
Given how MS and Sony's stance on DRM for next gen is completely vague at this time, I would have to gather that they are angling for option 3 - but if it came to it, would go with option 2.
Option 3 is the only scenario where people don't have to pay authentication fees.
If you think there is an option 4: we campaign and they don't do any of it, you will be disappointed.
Resellers like Gamestop are getting all of the revenue generated from the re-sale of games, sometimes they sell the same game multiple times.
The people that make the game feel as though they are getting shafted because their game is being purchased many times over, but none of the money is going to them.
I'm certain the publishers and developers have been heavily lobbying Sony and MS for a very long time for a solution that would give them a cut of that missing revenue - because resellers will not give out money from the resells willingly. Given how surprised gamestop was at the word of DRM, I'm guessing any kind of negotiation with resellers for a cut of the revenue did not go anywhere.
One of a few things could happen:
1. The fee for activating a used game is so high that buying a used game makes no sense.
2. The fee for activating a used game is low (ie. 5-10bucks), which would force resellers to lower their resell price to adjust for the online activation fee.
3. The threat of options 1 and 2 force resellers to give a % of revenue generated from preowned titles to publishers/developers.
Given how MS and Sony's stance on DRM for next gen is completely vague at this time, I would have to gather that they are angling for option 3 - but if it came to it, would go with option 2.
Option 3 is the only scenario where people don't have to pay authentication fees.
If you think there is an option 4: we campaign and they don't do any of it, you will be disappointed.
hydrophilic attack
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Several Playstation fans, me included, has said in this thread how we tweeted for this cause for Xbox one too. Don't make this into a fanboy war.
More of you Xbox fans should join in this fight for consumer rights and choice!
Yep. I have always been about options too. I hope they can cone up with a solution that gives people choice but doesn't block progress of internet connected gaming or discless gaming.
So yea. There should be an opt out in there too.
statham
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That needs to be true, the 24 hour thing should only be if you don't want to change discs with internet down.
Flame Lord
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Did I say they got rid of that? No, I said they have been backpedaling. When they announced the X1 they were talking about paying fees just to be able to play used games, but it sounds like that idea has been scrapped. Who's to say that if we don't keep it up they might not just get rid of all of the bullshit? It's better than just complaining on a forum where they may never hear you.
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