MugiwaraCole
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Littlefinger is right there, dude.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Littlefinger is right there, dude.
Pagusas
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Seems like its going to be about her relationship with Little Finger now, and how he tries to manipulate or undermine her.
She;s not
soundscream
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That would be gross because that would mean he fucked his sister.
Please don't Cersei and Jamie shame.
I forgot about that. But still, she's technically the one in the position of power which is a change.
soundscream
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I wonder if he is going to try and drive a wedge between Bran/Arya/Sansa. Might be where Sansas littile speech about the "lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." comes in.
I don't doubt that she wont relinquish the North when Jon returns.
Maybe that could be Little Finger's angle if they find out about Jon while he's away
The Artisan
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i think some people are just creeped out of going down there. Theon never thought to check there when looking for the Stark boys.
so maybe they should actually try out some more CGI, then.
The problem with CGI wolves is that you end up with something like this -
From Twilight, and the legendary Phil Tippett. If Phil can't animate wolves properly it's a good sign that they're a serious problem to deal with. If they had done this from the start it would have been less of a deal but their budget was so small back then that we didn't even get to see Robb win any of his victories... and Robb and Grey Wind were said to be something to behold on the battlefield. Jon himself said that Robb was better at everything than he was/is, so it would have been amazing.
So we never really could get these awesome scenes without sacrificing a hell of a lot more. Phil had massive film budgets to help him and his studio, too, much more than HBO spends per episode, even more than they spend for an entire season.
those pups look fine to me. if they can manage to pull off direwolves with their current budget than they should have. as long as they don't look like the deer from the walkin dead which nothing in thrones ever has
DarkJediKnight
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Littlefinger controls the Vale, which is a very strategic point between the north and the south. He wants the North.
He pretty much told Sansa last season by the Godswood that his dream ends one way - Him on the throne. Nothing else will suffice. I think that's the most honest answer you'll get from Littlefinger.
He pretty much told Sansa last season by the Godswood that his dream ends one way - Him on the throne. Nothing else will suffice. I think that's the most honest answer you'll get from Littlefinger.
Pagusas
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The problem with CGI wolves is that you end up with something like this -
From Twilight, and the legendary Phil Tippett. If Phil can't animate wolves properly it's a good sign that they're a serious problem to deal with. If they had done this from the start it would have been less of a deal but their budget was so small back then that we didn't even get to see Robb win any of his victories... and Robb and Grey Wind were said to be something to behold on the battlefield. Jon himself said that Robb was better at everything than he was/is, so it would have been amazing.
So we never really could get these awesome scenes without sacrificing a hell of a lot more. Phil had massive film budgets to help him and his studio, too, much more than HBO spends per episode, even more than they spend for an entire season.
I'd be ok with Twilight grade wolves. Its better than no wolves
The Artisan
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but no one from the Vale likes him. Not Royce, not the knights; Sansa knows what he did to Jon Arryn and Lisa Arryn, she should use her knowledge to her advantage.
Jon should've also talked to Royce before he left. The Vale is not the north, but that was Royce's son in the opening scene of the whole show, and Jon has to be aware of the fact that Ned named him after Jon Arryn
Why think so small? She just might end up being Queen of everything if she's the only one left standing.
*creepy Littlefinger smile intensifies*
The Artisan
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they're cousins
I would too, but I doubt they had the budget for it.
The Artisan
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why can't HBO just buy more cgi for Thrones then? They are still going to make tons of profit and they would have a greater spectacle.
Just thinking... even though I personally want Dany to be Queen when all is said and done, it would be kind of hilarious if Jon and Dany sacrifice themselves to end the White Walkers and for Littlefinger to think all his obstacles have been eliminated, only for Sansa to take the throne and have him executed. lol
The Artisan
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how did he ever find out about Ros betraying him
I think that's exactly his angle tbh.
He is probably awaiting for confirmations of his hunches and a better positionning with Sansa before dropping his truthbomb: Jon isn't even Ned's bastard, he is Ned's sister's bastard with Rhaegar Targaryen, making him unfit to be King of the North.
That's probably what he is planning anyway, given the hints he has been dropping in the Stark family Vault in a previous season. I was also expecting him to smugly drop hints of that to Jon last ep, but it's hard to talk while having your throat crushed
Ocarina_117
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Little finger seems to be a story line the show writers don't know where to take. For the man who initiated the game of thrones he seems rather, without direction.
I predict he'll be killed off this season. Most likely by arya.
I predict he'll be killed off this season. Most likely by arya.
The sword is called Dawn. It's covered in one of the season 6 Histories and Lore segments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo539PF6kyk
The Artisan
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Considering what's been produced is a lack thereof direwolves, I agree.The Grey was made on a $25 million budget. The wolves look far better than the Twilight series using a mixture of practical and CG effects.
And even if they were as bad as Twilight, that would be more forgivable than what has been produced.
well all of that scheming and deception was bound to catch up with him eventually. you can't live a lie forever.
soundscream
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Ocarina_117
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The sword is indeed the sword of the morning. Iirc it's made from a fallen meteor. He took it back to the Dayne ancestral home and left it with Arthur Dayne's sister who later committed suicide.
It just seems he's run out of ideas? He was in the perfect position at the end of season 4. Giving Sansa to the Boltons was a monumental cock up and massively out of character for someone so meticulous.
The Artisan
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if you read the rest of my post you'd see that I said Sansa knows Baelish is responsible for the death of both his parents. How much love he gonna have for him after he finds that out?
The Artisan
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yeah, once he had Sansa under his wing he thought it'd still be easy.
edit: sorry for double post
I'm not sure if he would believe Sansa over him.
I think that's exactly his angle tbh.
He is probably awaiting for confirmations of his hunches and a better positionning with Sansa before dropping his truthbomb: Jon isn't even Ned's bastard, he is Ned's sister's bastard with Rhaegar Targaryen, making him unfit to be King of the North.
That's probably what he is planning anyway, given the hints he has been dropping in the Stark family Vault in a previous season. I was also expecting him to smugly drop hints of that to Jon last ep, but it's hard to talk while having your throat crushed
I'm just wondering if this is finally where we're going to see Sansa make some kind of play, whether it works out for her or not. Maybe she'll play along with LF making him think she's falling for whatever he's trying. She seemed very aware of his games these past two episodes and they seemed to be juxtaposing her with Cersei so I'm not sure I expect her to be so easily manipulated. We'll see I guess. I think I'm just hoping Sansa has gotten smarter with everything she's been through but we've yet to see if that's true.
The Grey was made on a $25 million budget. The wolves look far better than the Twilight series using a mixture of practical and CG effects.
And even if they were as bad as Twilight, that would be more forgivable than what has been produced.
You hardly see the wolves in The Grey. The Twilight wolves had to be front and centre and be extremely expressive beyond what wolves can do. The direwolves also would have to be up front and centre and in the middle of the action.
soundscream
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You honestly think sweet Robin would believe that about his beloved Peter? Royce knows what happens when you try to insinuate his guilt.
The Artisan
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Robin isn't even at Winterfell and Sansa has Royce to back her up.
Baelish was the one to inform Robin about Sansa's troubles, but Robin was the one to say himself that the Knights of the Vale should help her.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUy5X9tUlQ
You mean the same Robin that almost killed Royce for shits and giggles and ended up not doing it because Littlefinger told him not to? Why would he trust him over Littlefinger? He means nothing to Robin.
The Artisan
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Because Baelish killed his parents and Sansa knows it.
Pagusas
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Mas confusion AND destruction. He's trying to make everyone fight each other so their is no one left to fight him. You dont need a large army if all the other army's have been destroyed. He wants Chaos to consume the relm, destroying it, then he will rule over the ashes, rebuilding it in his image.
Yes, WE know that, but Robin doesn't, so why would he believe anyone over Littlefinger?
The Artisan
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...because Sansa can tell him
Are you messing with me right now?
The Artisan
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I have never messed with you Einchy, I've always been upfront with what I think
VenomousCoffee
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I suspect that the reason they don't spend the money on better or more wolves is that it wouldn't increase their viewer numbers. Everyone who would watch for cool wolves is already watching for the cool dragons. The money that could go to wolves is possibly going to their (awesome) costume design, which probably does increase viewers.
Just a guess.
Just a guess.
The Artisan
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why even have direwolves on the show in the first place then
if it is all about appeasing potential new viewers how are the millions+ of viewers who are familiar with the direwolves on screen supposed to feel about their nonchalant disappearance?
Alright, so I'll ask a third time. Why would Robin believe Sansa, a person he doesn't know well, who might be backed by Royce, a person he almost killed just because, over his father figure that he trusts wholeheartedly? Telling him the truth, like you said, doesn't actually mean anything because Robin won't believe the truth, since the truth means the person he loves the most would've killed his mother, so of course he wouldn't believe Sansa and Royce over Littlefinger.
The Artisan
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And I'll type out for the second time: because Robin helped Sansa. He himself said "we should help her" which to me means that he cares about her. If she has something to say to him, he will hear her out.
Yeah Sansa is almost certainly going to cross Jon at some point.
Hearing isn't the same as believing. You've not explained why Robin would believe anyone over Littlefinger.
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