Vyse The Legend
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I guess it's good that I have no idea how Ed Sheeran looks.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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With graphs no less. lol
Especially since, when we see the Ironborn homelands, there's almost never visible trees.
Well, he is the 3 eyed raven now. So he has that going for him.
I wonder if the plan is to stop the whitewalkers before they reach the wall. Maybe its a consistency error w/in the show, but we've seen Wights cross the wall before; or at least we saw the one Jon Snow killed at Castle Black. So I'm not sure what that means, if anything.
Well, there's still some questions. What if the WW and the first men etc. built the wall together for some reason? There's still much we don't know about the long night and many of the stories, have GRRM said himself, are unclear cause they were written long time after the long night ended.
What if there was a pact/peace between the WW and the first men which was brokered by the last hero (Azor Ahai) and they built the wall together, the WW marked their land with the wall and let everyone south of the wall be.
But somehow the pact was broken and the WW are coming again? Maybe Craster discovered part of the pact?
I just don't believe the Azor Ahai saving the world and getting rid of the WW to be true.
Sleeping Lesson
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You are wrong.
BannedEpisode
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No I think those were nightswatch men on a ranging trip.
Ah ok. I'm rusty on season 1 but maybe the way some of the stuff was edited gave me the wrong understanding of where the first White Walker sighting happened
Like, ever ever or in the show? In the show the very first shot is the gates opening to go North and in history, well, there wasn't a wall back then.
Netherscourge
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Children of the Forest helped build the wall - they provided the magic to block the WW from passing. I'm pretty sure they discussed this when Bran was training with the Three Eyed Raven (plus the flashback of the Children creating the Night King)
Pagusas
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There is lingering and then there is outright over indulgent and wasteful. This was Over indulgent and wasteful.
I also think it was mentioned that Bran's undead uncle couldn't go back with them because of the magic barrier at the wall.
Why didn't he stop Bran if he has the same stuff in him?
Bay Maximus
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I thought the episode did a good job as a prologue to the season.
The Sam montage was certainly different but I thought it succeeded in conveying how terrible the job is.
I didn't even know Ed Sheeran was in the episode until coming in here. It is an odd casting choice but I had no idea what he looked like so it didn't affect my immersion. I see how it could be annoying though. I imagine a scene with Rihanna or Justin Bieber being very wtf.
The Sam montage was certainly different but I thought it succeeded in conveying how terrible the job is.
I didn't even know Ed Sheeran was in the episode until coming in here. It is an odd casting choice but I had no idea what he looked like so it didn't affect my immersion. I see how it could be annoying though. I imagine a scene with Rihanna or Justin Bieber being very wtf.
Especially since the White Walkers can seemingly move really fast when necessary. When Bran got marked they were all over him quick.
Bran has been marked by the Night King, Benjen is a person whose transformation was stopped before it was completed. Chances are he doesn't know about the mark or what it can do.
Yeah, last season when Euron was all like "We'll cut down every tree and build a grand fleet" I thought "lol good luck with that," now cue the arrival of the Royal Navy at the peak of the Napoleonic Wars somehow
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Vyse The Legend
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Man, I'd love for you to watch one episode of Twin Peaks. You'd lose your mind.
I'm hoping they answer your questions! I hope it's not a plot hole or inconsistency within the show's logic... but there might be a problem here.
molnizzle
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Bran's not an undead.
His uncle said "only the living may pass" or something like that.
Yes this could be true, but then how did he know about the Wall's magic? I don't think that's common knowledge.
TheLostBigBoss
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I think it's somewhat obvious at this point they are waiting to strike. My guess is they have some type of knowledge of what is happening beyond the wall, and once the final war for the Iron Throne starts, they will make their move.
As of now, they have clearly been roaming beyond the wall getting everyone who never made it to Castle Black.
I'm actually starting to get skeptical about the Maesters. The attitude that "the world has always survived" makes me think they are, to a degree, in on the knowledge of the White Walker threat and are either actively trying to prevent action to stop their approach, or could be aiding them somehow.
Sansa's making the same mistake, or at least a similar one, that Robb made, in my opinion. She's getting too caught up in petty things (like her own personal beef with Cersei and what to do with the children of the people who betrayed the Starks) and taking her eyes off the bigger picture. Robb got too focused on his own personal happiness and who he could/should marry and took his eyes off the big prize for a moment and that destroyed his entire rebellion.
Meanwhile Jon's focused on the bigger issue, isn't trying to make even more enemies, and knows Cersei can't do shit to them right now.
Meanwhile Jon's focused on the bigger issue, isn't trying to make even more enemies, and knows Cersei can't do shit to them right now.
Haha, me too.
What bothers me most is really the stories and prophecies that has been told and were written for what happened during the first long night. They are unclear and should not be fully trusted according to GRRM.
Azor Ahai, The Prince who was Promised. Did Rhaegar knew about this? Were his love for Lyanna really the ONLY reason he impregnated her?
Like I said, many questions I want answered.
I'm curious if we'll actually get any more insight into the Walkers and their motives beyond the little they've shown (Children of the Forest creating the first Walkers, for example). I'm afraid the showrunners will stick to the "silent, unstoppable force of nature" approach and we won't get anything more.
The hung out with the Three Eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest. Those dudes didn't even tell Bran about the mark, though, so I doubt the subject came up with Benjen.
They were waiting for winter to descend on Westeros and also building up an undead army. They're in no hurry.
That seems unfair. She was giving Jon reasonable advice.
Z_Y
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Daenerys has been trying to get back to Westoros since season 1, episode 1. How long was that scene? 5 minutes?
Yea...I disagree.
Sleeping Lesson
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Did anyone watch on Amazon? Were you able to watch immediately?
In a way, Jon actually is acting like Robb also. Robb's soldiers began to hate him towards the end because of divisive decisions he had made. Robb needed to make the allied houses loyal to him and he failed at doing that time and time again. Sansa kind of has it right in that you need to make your people happy by rewarding them to keep them loyal. But she was wrong to not have brought that up in private conversation with him.
"Hey, make even more potential enemies for us to fight" doesn't seem like reasonable advice.
Her logic is flawed though because she was trying to make innocent living people suffer for the sins of dead men, and that's only going to divide their allies and make more enemies - which is the same mistake Robb made.
Sansa has been around Cersei and Bolton too much - her judgement is pretty flawed
Edd
Yeah, it was shit advice from someone who really doesn't understand what they are going up against. She's trying to play a game that shouldn't be played, the game of thrones is done with, they're now part of the Great War.
I'm new be nice
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That's Jon's point, Cersei isn't a real threat, the WW are.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Social media reflects your social circle. As a 35 year old urban black male Ed Sheeran is not on the radar of me nor the vast majority of my circle. My facebook has been filled with discussions on the new Jay-Z, Big Boi, and 2 Chainz. I googled some of Ed's music and realize i have heard that "Shape of You" song while out and about but it has never registered enough for me to have interest is what this guy looks like and look at his music video. I mean i really have to dig your music for me to take the time to research how you look and the handfull of times ive heard "Shape of You" didnt cause me to do that.
I feel like Sansa is playing right into Littlefinger's hands, and he's going to continue trying to divide her and Jon. Jon has seen the Walkers and the Night King and knows that he's going to need every living human being to stand up for what's coming. King's Landing and all that shit is petty in comparison and won't even matter if the they lose in the North.
Cersei is going to be too busy getting decimated by Daenerys for Jon to even begin to worry about her.
molnizzle
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We've been waiting to see Daenerys reach Westeros for like 6 seasons now.
Calling the arrival scene "over indulgent and wasteful" is absolutely insane. If anything they rushed through it.
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