Benzychenz
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Locke's whole recent arc was an odd thing. He showed up one episode, died the next, and didn't really have any impact on anything.
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He was in Season 3. He wasn't a new character.
Season 3 - his treatment of Jamie - showed his character, and how he was the perfect fit for an assassination of the two Stark children.
But what more is there supposed to be him? He is part of the Bolton crew and he was sent to kill the remaining Stark boys. He used Jon Snow to get beyond the wall and found Bran. Died when he tried taking him.
He didn't really have an arc.
Romars202129
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That fight was really lame. The actors were falling all over themselves, particularly Snow's. What happened? The Hound had an awesome fight at the start of this season, and I'm positive Snow's older fights have looked better than this stumbling mess.
a Master Ninja
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I hope the breast feeding kid will be the next to "fly", even if the glass bird is probably symbolizing Lysa. I'm completely convinced Littlefinger will make sure they have an "accident" so he can marry the daughter of the woman he loved. I wouldn't mind seeing Sansa kill Littlefinger, but I'm not sure she has it in her, even now.
It was filmed in the dark, and it flowed really well considering.
Karl was drunk and Oberyn did say, "longsword is a bad option in close quarters".
I think the fight was supposed to be chaotic and a mess.
Romars202129
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What? Heck, if it had actually been in the dark, it would have at least hidden some of that terrible choreagraphy.
Is the Director named Karl?
Supposedly it was filmed in a thick mud, probably made it harder for movements to look clean or graceful.
http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/0...-violence-brans-decision-littlefinger-reveal/
Romars202129
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I just hope it was a rushed scene, and not a sign that Jon Snow's actor has decided practicing the choreography beforehand is now beneath him.
Because honestly Jaime's left handed sword fighting looked several more times steady than that.
Because honestly Jaime's left handed sword fighting looked several more times steady than that.
That's what I was trying to say though. It's not magical (it might be for dragons or some shit..lol) but it is supposed to be the strongest steel in the world, even stronger than modern steel, so you would think with a Valyrian great-sword going up against some normal daggers, he could just use brute force to win.
It was more about the fact that Karl was using small daggers. I wouldn't expect a fight against another swordsman to be so easy, but with a great-sword made out of the strongest but lightest steel, it shouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility since some katanas could cut through European claymores.
Not disappointed obviously, just figured that would have been funnier. It definitely is a lot about the prestige though obviously for these houses.
But it should be, Jaime & Bronn aren't 2 guys flaying all over the place in a dank hut trying to kill each other.
And Jaime and Bronn are both veteran fighters, they would crush Jon Snow with their left hand.
For real. Jon Snow has been fighting rejects and people without proper training for the most part. He's good, but he's also never really been pushed until this fight.
Though the entire fight was more or less set up for him to lose. It was a skilled opponent in tight quarters and he was using a weapon that wasn't suited to it at all, while the other guy was. There was no way for him to win that fight fairly.
WesternHeretic
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How to use his mouth? TORNADO TONGUE!
Stevie Gerrard
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I thought the bigger reveal was that not only is the crown in huge debt (partly due to Littlefinger cooking the books), but also that the Lannister fortune is running dry. So really now all the Lannisters have as leverage is their political power. If the Tyrells lost their current political standing they go back to highgarden and do their thing, if the Lannisters fall then thy're ruined. And the Tyrells are subtly, steadily eating away at the Lannister's political power - Margery has already established herself as the people's queen and there's no doubt she'll be the dominant force when she becomes the official queen. Olenna knows about the iron bank debt, but probably not about the Lannister gold running out, so she's probably in an even stronger position than she realises.
It may even impact on the trial. Tyrion thinks Mace Tyrell will do as Tywin instructs, but it's more likely be the other way round. I'd expect Mace Tyrell to vote as his mummy instructs - will Tywin risk going against the family that are keeping his afloat? I'd expect Olenna the kingslayer to be perfectly happy to see Tyrion convicted.
The reveal about Littlefinger planning the Jon Arryn assassination at the same time as blaming the Lannisters was interesting but I don't see it as being that impactful on what's going to happen next.
Yep. I think Sansa was so convincing that a lot of people didn't see the deception. Sansa's brilliant, one of my favourite characters in the show.
It may even impact on the trial. Tyrion thinks Mace Tyrell will do as Tywin instructs, but it's more likely be the other way round. I'd expect Mace Tyrell to vote as his mummy instructs - will Tywin risk going against the family that are keeping his afloat? I'd expect Olenna the kingslayer to be perfectly happy to see Tyrion convicted.
The reveal about Littlefinger planning the Jon Arryn assassination at the same time as blaming the Lannisters was interesting but I don't see it as being that impactful on what's going to happen next.
Yep. I think Sansa was so convincing that a lot of people didn't see the deception. Sansa's brilliant, one of my favourite characters in the show.
Funky Papa
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I think she's less "playing the game" and more "accepting her place/reassuring people of what they think of her" so she can keep her skin.
Karl is the dude that Jon Snow fought. Locke made a point of saying that most of the mutineers were already drunk, thats how the Night's Watch had the advantage.
WesternHeretic
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She will start playing the game soon. She has to she is basically a younger version of Cersi. All the crap that Cersi went through in her younger days is what gave her all that wisdom, and venom. Sansa is now going through the same thing. Aka being tossed around for other people's ambitions.
In one of the videos posted a couple of pages back, the actors briefly talk about the choreography of the fight scene. It was meant to be a little awkward for Jon since he had a longsword in a tight, confined space. I thought the fight scene was fine.
And we all know Lysa and that kid are going through that Moon door at some point, right?
Also, I remember thinking at the time back in episode 1 or 2 when it showed John Arryn, and Jaime and Cersai were talking about his death, that they never actually admitted or acknowledged their role in his death. I thought it was weird at the time, but yeah, this was one hell of a pay-off.
Rory McCann is Scottish, so it comes naturally to him.
His best line: "If any man dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse"!
And we all know Lysa and that kid are going through that Moon door at some point, right?
Also, I remember thinking at the time back in episode 1 or 2 when it showed John Arryn, and Jaime and Cersai were talking about his death, that they never actually admitted or acknowledged their role in his death. I thought it was weird at the time, but yeah, this was one hell of a pay-off.
Rory McCann is Scottish, so it comes naturally to him.
His best line: "If any man dies with a clean sword, I'll rape his fucking corpse"!
WesternHeretic
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In a sense both women lives are dictated by their last names. Nothing of their doing is from choice but rather circumstances.
And eventually sansa will hit a point where she fights back and we saw it last week with her lysa. She's gaining the ability to lie, and eventually she will learn to manipulate, and once that happens all bets are off.
Unless. ... she dies before that. Which is totally plausible on this show.
And eventually sansa will hit a point where she fights back and we saw it last week with her lysa. She's gaining the ability to lie, and eventually she will learn to manipulate, and once that happens all bets are off.
Unless. ... she dies before that. Which is totally plausible on this show.
Killing the bastards, including babies, was done on Joffrey's orders. Tyrion confronts Cersie about it and she looks shocked and admitted she had no idea about it.
TheContact
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Their valyrian steel is probably like our Damascus steel
when did that happen? All I saw was Sansa gaining the ability to think. Which is still an improvement, but at this rate she'll hit 45 before she realizes that she has to act or she's doomed.
Tatersalad
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I hope this becomes a plot point later on, someone realizing the Lannisters' mines have run dry. I'm assuming the Lannisters have multiple mines, and each would have hundreds of workers. Varys or someone would have spies that would let them know they haven't found any gold in 3 years.
Water dancing style rendered useless because Arya is a 13 year old kid who only has limited training with a tiny sword going up against the Hound who is a seasoned warrior, a huge man and has thick armor.
RustyNails
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Nothing will be more satisfying to me than watching Lysa and her weirdo kid fly out the moon door. They are so fucking disgusting.
I hope that somehow happens. That kid is so creepy.
RustyNails
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To be honest a have a lot of problems with the Jon Aryn reveal, actually the whole "Littlefinger the supervillain" arc.
1- The bad acting. Talking in a shifty voice and looking toward the horizon while making machiavellian polemics is just straight up cartoon villain.
2- The reveal itself was so clumsy. "my love let me reveal our secrets to the audience out loud while we embrace!"
But let's get to the core issue. As a plot element it doesn't make sense at all. It reeks of tying up loose ends post-fact with the benefit of hindsight.
What's the motive for littlefinger to top off Jon Aryn? There is no benefit to be had.
Assume you're looking for an opportunity to exploit some turmoil to better your situation and you hear that the hand of the king is digging up on rumours about the king's children.
If you want to instigate a succession crisis you don't kill the person digging, you kill the king quickly before the scandal becomes public and let it all brew.
Here's the key point. Jon Aryn's death wasn't important, King Robert's was. Had Cersei not arranged for his accident, the succession crisis wouldn't have happened at all. At best the Lannisters could've gotten disgraced if the scandal blew up, but an all out civil war? no way.
The Lannister's finances arc though is very interesting.
1- The bad acting. Talking in a shifty voice and looking toward the horizon while making machiavellian polemics is just straight up cartoon villain.
2- The reveal itself was so clumsy. "my love let me reveal our secrets to the audience out loud while we embrace!"
But let's get to the core issue. As a plot element it doesn't make sense at all. It reeks of tying up loose ends post-fact with the benefit of hindsight.
What's the motive for littlefinger to top off Jon Aryn? There is no benefit to be had.
Assume you're looking for an opportunity to exploit some turmoil to better your situation and you hear that the hand of the king is digging up on rumours about the king's children.
If you want to instigate a succession crisis you don't kill the person digging, you kill the king quickly before the scandal becomes public and let it all brew.
Here's the key point. Jon Aryn's death wasn't important, King Robert's was. Had Cersei not arranged for his accident, the succession crisis wouldn't have happened at all. At best the Lannisters could've gotten disgraced if the scandal blew up, but an all out civil war? no way.
The Lannister's finances arc though is very interesting.
dragonbane
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It's pretty hilarious that the moon door is wide open despite looking like they have the means to close it. It's like they are asking for it lol
AuthenticM
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This has to happen; at least for the kid. He's been way too obsessed with the hole for karma not to hit him in the face.
Everyone is. But Littlefinger takes actions and succeeds.
A free spot as the "King of the Vale" for once.
He's just a bitter guy. Also "chaos ladder". The Lannisters running out of gold is also directly caused by Littlefinger's plan to pit the Lannisters and the Starks against one another. The war killed off all the Stark men and also drained the Lannister's wealth. Tywin said it has been 3 years since they made any money. That's about how long the show has been going on for if Joff ruled for 1.5-2 years.
Everything's coming up Littlefinger, and I love it.
Everything's coming up Littlefinger, and I love it.
ComputerBlue
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I re watched the latest episode last night and I realized that I'm not impressed with the lack of Varys this season.
And why are people saying that Aidan Gillen is a bad actor? I think he's pretty good.
And why are people saying that Aidan Gillen is a bad actor? I think he's pretty good.
DrFaustPhD
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I can get why everyone thinks Lysa and Robin will go out the moon door. Obviously Baelish has that idea in the back of his head, waiting for a logistically sound time and method to do it. But Lysa and Robin both have that special kind of irrational crazy that I could easily see either of them having a snap reaction to something Baelish says or does and killing him.
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Littlefinger also wanted revenge on Ned Stark and to claim Catelyn, half of which he achieved, and with Sansa in tow he is set to, I think in his mind, go one better for the second half. He is a schemer but his ends are not obvious, he is more complex than just a power hungry mustache twirler, although he is definitely that as well.
The Lannisters may have put him up to having Jon Aryn murdered anyway, we don't really know why he did it yet.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Her thinking in a tough situation, she came out of it lying and manipulating someone pretty well. If someone like Littlefinger did the same thing (think context of course), everyone would be fapping to his ability to trick people. But it's one of the least liked favorites on the series, so why give credit eh?
This has been explained quite a bit and makes perfect sense. You don't seem to get it if you think it doesn't make sense. Getting the two biggest houses to go against each other and crush them, which he did for one of them. Put the ones he helped to get to power make him both eligible to become a King and put a death timestamp on them at the same time with the debt he's put them under.
It's not as if he couldn't kill Robert if he didn't die early on when it was necessary. Robert getting killed or Cersei making it happen is fine since we don't need Littlefinger to do every single act.
He's great. I wouldn't want anyone else over him.
RustyNails
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And once the kid is sent flying through the hole he will be laughing and enjoying the flight like Joker from Batman movies.
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