To be fair, looking back, he did come off as wanting to help Ned. But that's only until he turned the City Watch against him. After that he was untrustworthy prick.
Excellent observation. Marry Sansa and he has the Northmen too.
He's set.
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He's set.
LegendofDragoonLives
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I know it's only been a few episodes, but I really hope Sansa and Tyrion get back together. They had a weird but intriguing relationship, and I'm really curious to see how she would react when they meet considering she was defending him at the Vale. Assuming that one of them doesn't die if not both before their meeting..
I would have never imagined writing such things based on the first two seasons.
I would have never imagined writing such things based on the first two seasons.
Funky Papa
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Also it's not like Littlefinger has future sight and can predict how everything is going to be, the guy just has contingencies in place in case things go wrong.
Remember that Littlefinger wanted Sansa to come on his boat with him to the Vale but she decided to stay and marry Loras, after which the Tyrells would take her to Highgarden. Littlefinger tells the Lannisters who marry her to Tyrion stopping that plan, he then plots with the Tyrells to take out Joffrey and during the chaos has that guy on his payroll (who Sansa saved: forgot his name) snatch her away to his boat.
Achieving what he wanted in the firstplace.
Littlefinger plays the game of thrones.
Remember that Littlefinger wanted Sansa to come on his boat with him to the Vale but she decided to stay and marry Loras, after which the Tyrells would take her to Highgarden. Littlefinger tells the Lannisters who marry her to Tyrion stopping that plan, he then plots with the Tyrells to take out Joffrey and during the chaos has that guy on his payroll (who Sansa saved: forgot his name) snatch her away to his boat.
Achieving what he wanted in the firstplace.
Littlefinger plays the game of thrones.
Ser Dontos
Yeah and Sansa is the only one who knows it all. Every other player in the show thinks Littlefinger is on THEIR side. The Lannisters think he's on their side (for messing up the Tyrell plan to grab Sansa), the Tyrells think he's on their side (for helping off Joffery). He's got Lysa Arryn wrapped around his little finger...
Nameless
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I'm beginning to wonder if we're headed for a scenario where multiple factions are courting the Iron Bank for their support, and what gaining their favor might entail. Tywin's plan is to use the new richest house in Westeros, the Tyrells, to pay back the crown's debt and stay in their good graces. Davos of course has put in a request on behalf of the true king. And then there's Baelish, who's had first hand dealings with the Iron Bank for years as he plunged the Lannisters into debt paying for the war that he started. I find it hard to believe he hasn't forged some sort of alliances there given how pervasive their influence is. He has the Knights of the Vale, but that's obviously not a big enough force to take the Throne.
I also wouldn't count out Daeny. She's closest to Braavos than anyone. It's not unreasonable to think she'll look their direction as well as she tries to turn slaver's bay into free cities, eventually setting her sights on Westeros. If I'm the Iron Bank, Daeny easily has the three most compelling reasons for me to throw my weight behind her, and they all breathe fire.
their whole province is valleys and mountains though. if they hold that gate they'd be fairly self sufficient.
Nameless
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Give Bronn 10 good men and some climbing spikes...
Ein Bear
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I want this to literally happen. Would be glorious.
Thanks.
I hope that was foreshadowing
Lactose_Intolerant
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Pretty sure the road isn't just for the eeyrie but the Vale too. I'm sure they grow food in there.
Zoso Achilles
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Actually, check out the map. She's pretty much the furthest one from Braavos. Essos is a much bigger continent than Westeros.
Nameless
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Right. For some reason I thought Braavos was further inland. Judging from the map Merreen--Braavos is comparable to a trip from The Wall to King's Landing.
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I'm hoping that the Hound unceremoniously runs him through after littlefinger gives a long speech about how he has obtained power and holds all of westeros in his hand etc etc, #stab#
He may not be willing to help out on that front, or even available, depending on how Tyrion's trial turns out. Maybe they escape, maybe he's put to death with him. Little Finger's done a damn good job getting Tyrion off the board, now there's no one left capable of playing the game at the level he does.
Change that to Arya and you've got the dream scenario.
What about Dorne? Seems like those guys can still put a wrinkle into his plans no?
ah yes, before he adopted the batman voice
GameAddict411
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Why are we still talking about the starks here? The conflict has ended with frey betarying them, a crippled boy and a child will not become a "threat" for years, that if they don't kill them first. They also slaughtered their army too in the wedding, winterfell is a burnt ruin too.
GameAddict411
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The prince is focused on getting revenge from the Lannisters, he does not give a fuck about what he did. i wouldn't surprised if littlefinger use dorne to get rid of them.
Nameless
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Because Stannis has begun to look north, to where Jon Snow is, and Arya remains incredibly deadly. She's got a higher on-screen kill count than half the show and is incredibly clever.
Also Sansa is the only one in a position to take out Little Finger. She's probably the only person he won't suspect is working against him, no one else has that advantage. She's learned the game by watching the best and somehow surviving up to this point, discount her at your own risk.
1. The best character on the show is a Stark.
2. Winter is coming.
Plus Jon Snow still needs to figure out who his mom is... to say the least. If you spent any bit of time mulling over the events before the show. He might also be working on that army thing a bit with his aparent leadership prospects. Building up trust with other fighters from the ground up rather than relying on name and title to lord over people.
But he's saying that Littlefinger has the ONLY army that's untouched in Westeros. That's clearly not true. If Littlefinger starts gobbling up the other 6 kingdoms, you'd imagine Dorne wouldn't put up with that. Tywin said these guys withstood dragons, I bet they'd manhandle that little bitch in a heartbeat.
DrFaustPhD
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It's been brought up a few times throughout the series, that pretty much any Stark could become a huge rallying symbol for the Northerners. That's why everyone cared who Sansa married. That's why Roose Bolton cares if the youngest Stark boys are alive. If Rickon makes it to House Umber in one piece and everyone believes he's a Stark, I don't see how that wouldn't evolve into at least a Northern rebellion against Bolton and Frey.
Anton668
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I don't think The Vale is the only realm that still has an army at full strength. I believe Dorne has also been uninvolved in the wars.
Mountains and valleys are fairly unsuitable for agriculture. Starving them out would indeed be the most efficient way to take the Vale.
DodgyGeezerFella
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Damn Littlefinger you on top of your game.
Dorne is apparently run by House Martell, who allied with the Lannisters in the war after Tyrion married off Cersei's daughter to them. The Prince who came to King's Landing for Joffrey's wedding is from Dorne. He talked to Cersei about her daughter among other things.
So, they were involved and probably aren't at full strength.
Considering the Vale is inaccessible during the winter, I'd say they're pretty well stocked. Starving them out probably won't work.
Little Finger's infinite mastery at the game has been restored.
fredrancour
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Have we ever gotten a specific headcount of who showed up to fight? I guess I had the impression that the Dornishmen weren't really doing anything and were just kind of supporting the lannisters in the sense of recognizing their leadership and pretending nothing was wrong, without actively contributing to the war.
Honestly they didn't get very into it so we have no real way of knowing, unless someone wants to rewatch that entire set of episodes and look for definitive proof either way. Considering how hard up the Lannisters were for numbers near the end of it, I would assume Dorne may well have contributed some troops.
fredrancour
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I guess how hard-pressed for resources the Lannisters seemed was one reason that I assumed they were on their own til Highgarden came over. IDK. I'll rewatch the stuff eventually.
Wasn't there a theory here that Jon may be Benjen's son? I'm almost certain there was because this is the only place I read about GoT. Also, what happened to Benjen?
If Jon was Benjen's son I'm sure Catelyn would have been allowed to know, rather than letting her despise Jon.
Portugeezer
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One thing I wasn't sure about, does the girl know who The Hound is?
Or was she just trolling him by calling out his name?
Or was she just trolling him by calling out his name?
Just trolling
Arrowgigantic
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She's not trolling him, she's hated him ever since he killed her friend in Season 1. On the way to King's Landing, the stable boy she was fencing with on the way and Joffrey got pissy about. He's always been on her list.
Portugeezer
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And then she tried to stab him, and he just slapped her and didn't kill her.
Some things just don't make sense to me.
He wants to sell her to Lysa, killing her would mean missing out on potentially a lot of money. Also, Sandor knew that Arya couldn't hurt him with her "sword".
ElectricBlue187
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He thinks of her as you might an amusing puppy, playing at ripping your throat out. He doesn't think she is a threat and would rather get paid than kill a potential heir of Winterfell for no gain.
I think he would have had the king ordered it(when he still served under him). He honestly probably did kill little girls at Joffrey's command.
Well yeah, he didn't have much choice then.
yongeandcollege
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LOL.
Cornballer
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Please review the spoiler tag rules from the OP. If you've been either reading the books or reading online about content that's not in the television show, then please use the other thread to discuss these ideas. If you're developing theories based on what's aired on the show, then there's no need for spoiler tags. Thank you.
Umm, no they are not involved. Tywin point blank tells Oberyn that there is no 7 kingdoms without Dorne, and that they need Dorne if Dany ever comes back. Remember he tells him that Dorne are the only ones to withstand the original Targaryen invasion, and he was going to give Obeyrn a seat on the small council to make amends. Prince Obeyrn hates the Lannister's guts, and I suppose the rest of Dorne does too. Plus, when have you seen Middle Eastern looking dudes running around fighting against Rob and company? In my opinion, from the way that scene went down between Tywin And Prince Oberyn, I do believe that Dorne is not under direct control of the crown at the moment, and Tywin is trying to get them back under the fold.
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