ebullientprism
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Why do they call Oberyn the Prince? I thought Westeros could only have one king? Is his area not part of the seven kingdoms?
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 4 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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I don´t think Tyrion will name a champion at all. After all the suffering and dissapointments he prefers to die instead of going to the wall. In a final act he can fuck with Tywins plans for the last time. He could name Jamie but i don´t believe he would risk his brothers life in a fight for a lost cause, Oberyn then offers to be a champion to the great surprise of everyone else. He knows Tywin will have to announce the mountain to fight against him to have a chance of winning. Oberyn admires the courage of Tyrion and he gets to fight the mountain. Question is: Will he win?
Dorne was never concurred, but allied itself
So I would guess they have special priviliges
I took it as if he was trying to save his life. Tywin is a master of manipulation and in his scene with Jamie we know he had a plan all along. It's not unreasonable to think that Varys agreed to a deal that would save Tyrion's life, even if that meant standing against him in the trial. The evidence was stacked against him either way, so it was a losing battle.
But that's just how I saw it. Varys is a crafty and sneaky motherfucker, and he could have other things going on, especially after his talk with Oberyn. I'm pretty sure he is aware of Littlefinger's plans too, in fact, he is the only one who might be, so it might also be a long run move. Lannister family is falling apart and this can only help.
She can't kill everyone. She already has the most impressive bodycount in the series, which is quite an accomplishment.
TheContact
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What's up with Varys anyway telling Oberyn that he's interested in the iron throne. Is that Varys' real objective or just trying to throw off Oberyn. Doesn't seem like Varys would throw those cards on the table for no reason. Who knows what his agenda is but he reminds me of littlefinger for his cunning
That was like a totally blown old school EQ boss raid. Puller aggoes the mini-boss mob and trains him and his guards to the room you're buffing in. Yara and company effectively trained out of the castle and zoned at the shoreline hah.
the_firewithin
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first post here on GAF and glad it is in the GoT thread.
that was some amazing television last night. as soon as tywin said "deal" to jaime so quickly just reinforced that he always knows exactly what he is doing. i love this show so much.
that was some amazing television last night. as soon as tywin said "deal" to jaime so quickly just reinforced that he always knows exactly what he is doing. i love this show so much.
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I think it was a nod to "power" rather than the iron throne directly.
LegendofDragoonLives
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You've got to feel for Jaime. He wants to be honorable and stick to his oath but he's being put in the worst positions possible to break it. King's guard now, yet he might fight for someone who is the supposed killer of the previous King, but he might have to do it due to the love of his brother. There's a good chance he might fight for him to be known as the oathbreaker again.
Damn GRRM, you're a cruel, cruel bastard.
Damn GRRM, you're a cruel, cruel bastard.
ComputerBlue
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The man was already dead, rotting away crucified.
She showed major weakness to a wealthy, noble man by allowing him to do what his father denied many others. Just because the guy said his father was against the Crucifixions makes them automatically true? She made a big mistake and it will cause problems for her otherwise they wouldn't have shown it and there wouldn't have been a single reason for her to be in this episode.
My question is, what will be Jamie's reaction to everything that Tyrion said, he shit all over Joffrey, who happens to be Jamie's son. I think there might be a conflict of interest because of it.
That was such a great line. He won because he had armor, and a big fucking sword!
This has been driving me nuts. I DEFINITELY recognised Yara from something else, and her IMDB page was not helping. Then it occurred to me.
She's Chastity Butterworth!
http://youtu.be/LYpchqi8GD0
Anyway. Great episode. Dinklage is fucking superb.
She's Chastity Butterworth!
http://youtu.be/LYpchqi8GD0
Anyway. Great episode. Dinklage is fucking superb.
Heady is still ripped from her SCC days. Damn.
Cersei vs Ramsey shirtless. Make it happen HBO.
Episode was good except for that damn Bolton part, which was a joke. 'Give me my brother, and no more of your men will die' 'oh shit dogs'
They would have slaughtered that shirtless bastard and skewered the dogs through the bars if the show were even trying to be halfway credible in that moment.
They would have slaughtered that shirtless bastard and skewered the dogs through the bars if the show were even trying to be halfway credible in that moment.
Apparently that doesn't apply to Ramsy Bolton.
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Goddamn Dinklage is the most amazing Tyrion they could ever have hoped for. Such a fantastic actor.
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he really should have let Stannis kill them all. Glad that he finally came to his senses. All hail the one true king
robotzombie
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To me Jaime has never seem to give much of a shit about Joffrey at all. I really don't think he would care at all what Tyrion said and probably would agree with him...
That being said, I have no idea why anyone is talking about Jaime being involved in the fight. There is absolutely zero chance he is going to be chosen to defend the crown, as Tywin is not going to throw his son into a scenario where he might not come back and Cersei wouldn't want him either as she's already lost any real sense of value of him due to his hand being gone. Tyrion also isn't going to choose Jaime and knows his father wouldn't allow it anyway.
I still honestly believe Tyrion asked for trial by combat with the distinct intention of fighting himself
God this myth needs to die in fire.
Syrio Forel didn't die.
The last time we see him he beat up 3 fully armored king's guards with just a stick.
Arya is assuming he died because she's thinking like dumbass.
We see unarmored warriors beating the shit out of armored warriors repeatedly every season.
Season 1 - Bronn
Season 2 - Arya's Assassin friend. (wasn't actually seen but the body count is way too fucking high)
Season 3 - Worm and Daario with an armored Jormant
Season 4 - Ramsey
The Hound was proving his point by picking a fight with a kid in training. *rolls eyes*
Rewatch season 1. He actually tells us his aspirations for the throne back then and it's not what you think it is.
Ha true but he's nuts and had other men and dogs backing him up. Ramsy vrs the Hound = 2 equally divided pieces of Ramsy meat.
Davos and Stannis at the Iron Bank.
I thought this was a great scene as well. Also, Mycroft Holmes from Sherlock is here which I thought was a nice casting choice. Anyone else notice how at the end his glove is still on, but when I watched it on HBO, they showed his actual hand which the fingers cut.
I thought this was a great scene as well. Also, Mycroft Holmes from Sherlock is here which I thought was a nice casting choice. Anyone else notice how at the end his glove is still on, but when I watched it on HBO, they showed his actual hand which the fingers cut.
I was like WTF when I saw Ramsey last night. Looked like something from a action movie. It was cool though.
I agree about Syrio.
Fuuuck
dat Oberyn stare!
I love the look on Jaimes face when Tyrion begins his speech. He knows. Hes the only one that knows who Tyrion really is and the struggle hes faced from his father because hes faced a similar struggle.
Such a great scene
Lamel
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This is one of my favorite scenes, if not the favorite, in the entire show.
The tension between Jaime and Tyrion, and Tywin and Tyrion; you can just FEEL it. Oberyn startled at shit getting real. The pure emotion in Tyrion's voice and mannerisms. It feels great to see him reveal his feelings about shitbag bastard Joffrey, and I am glad he spit that venom straight to Cersei's bitch face.
Neoriceisgood
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Most rewatchable scene in the show so far.
I thought it was 4 armored guards, but that's besides the point. I agree, no way he goes down to guys that week. Dude probably made his way to Braavos and is chilling with some naked ladies or whatever he does for fun. I do want to see him again though, just so we can confirm the fact he's the ultimate badass we all know he is.
It would've been amazing to see Syrio in the background of Salador's scene this week with absolutely no fanfare whatsoever.
Feels like fun! Is there a video of this?
The Lamonster
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Not very helpful, brah. I doubt the guy is going to rewatch like 10 hours of video just because you can't type out a quick answer to his question.
I assume you're talking about Varys being faithful to the realm and how everything he does is to better Westeros?
Napoleonthechimp
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I've heard someone suggest that Syrio could be one of the Faceless Men - perhaps Jaqen H'ghar himself. But if that is true then I hope we never find out. I'd like that to be an ongoing mystery.
Neoriceisgood
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I always assumed his idea of bettering is some sense of calm/order/predictability.
Hot Coldman
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THAT ENTIRE FUCKING TRIAL SCENE THO.
Talk about audience proxy. Tyrion da bess.
Talk about audience proxy. Tyrion da bess.
The Lamonster
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You think he's going to calmly watch the love of his life betray him in front of all of his enemies during the fight of his life and then not have an emotional outbreak?
One and the same, no?
But the show is worth rewatching. So many visual cues you would miss on the first watch make this worthwhile. As for your question that was the scene. He specifically states he is looking for a king that is worthy of the seat. He doesn't want the throne for himself but he wants to make sure the right person is in that throne.
True.
I started to think outside the show world and back to the real world in which citizens would want a worthy leader..
That would have been hilarious.
No way, they've totally got to tell us if he's alive.
What?! No way. He's is on trail, being accused of a crime he didn't commit... again, this time by his own familly, his friend threw him under the bus, and the woman he loves stabbed him right in heart. Dude was in a dark place and his outburst perfectly reflected that.
TheJollyCorner
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well, we also see a supposedly skilled (I gauge that based on his hair braids) Dothraki warrior get clowned by Jorah due to his weapon being ineffective against Jorah's armor.
It goes both ways- but in the end I'm sure we can both agree that kind of combat is won mostly by skill, with a bit of luck thrown in... and naturally stronger defenses don't hurt as long as they don't slow the combatant down too much.
Fortunately for The Hound he has four things going for him: thick armor, heavy weapon, skill, and big fucking size. It's easy for him to preach that. He's a tank... and his brother is evidently even more of a tank.
If Oberyn really does go up against The Mountain at some point in this story, speed and skill might not be enough. Based on pure strength if The Mountain gets a heavy gauntlet around Oberyn's neck- it's over. A connecting overhead smash by The Mountain- it's over. Any kind of close combat situations- it's likely over. Even if he has a leg taken out, I have to imagine The Mountain on one knee would still be a daunting fight. You'd have to break his defenses, find a weak spot, exploit it, etc.
I just want to see the Brothers Clegane fight each other again. That's the main event right there.
The Tyron we know from the show is too smart for that. He knows the trial is a farce, he knows everything Shae says in the witness stand is just part of the deal to save his/her life and not betrayal.
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